[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: Hello there

I think you do not wish to admit that you(as an 17 year old near adult, not just you personally) can not or will not admit that they are not the most omni-potent being in your conscious. It is quite common it is called egocentric and it is much more prevelant in young women than men. Young males feel themselves indestructable. This is why it is so important for you to accept the Lord now during the most dangerous part of your life.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello there

g·no·rant (gnr-nt)adj.1. Lacking education or knowledge

This is you about the Lord and the Bible

[iAmAtheist]

Re: Hello there

God does exist, he made us. Read Genesis 1 and you will learn.

The earth is indeed flat. It is written in the Bible and we have proven it to you atheists, but you do not want to believe. Read the posting

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=45427

The Bible is a book based on FAITH. FAITH = isn't based on FACTS.

That the earth is round is a FACT. You can see it with your own eyes. Look at over the sea and you'll see. Look at satelite pictures and you'll see. God you're one of the most ignorant people I have ever seen.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello there

The Bible is a book based on FAITH. FAITH = isn't based on FACTS.

That the earth is round is a FACT. You can see it with your own eyes. Look at over the sea and you'll see. Look at satelite pictures and you'll see. God you're one of the most ignorant people I have ever seen.

I am not ignorant. You are being ignorant about the Lord and the Bible. If you want to discuss the science fiction theory of round earth, I would be more than happy on the form link I gave you.

[iAmAtheist]

Re: Hello there

I think you do not wish to admit that you(as an 17 year old near adult, not just you personally) can not or will not admit that they are not the most omni-potent being in your conscious. It is quite common it is called egocentric and it is much more prevelant in young women than men. Young males feel themselves indestructable. This is why it is so important for you to accept the Lord now during the most dangerous part of your life.

Never, will I believe in this nonsense.

[scherzo]

Re: Hello there

Christianity = Faith. There are no facts that prove God exists. Knowledge is based on facts.
That the earth is round however, is based on facts. You don't seem to get thas thus you're the one being ignorant. Not me.

Your young and confused, I'll do my best to explain it.... you have left your previous faith for a reason - it was the wrong faith. You must have felt it in your heart, mind, and soul. God was calling you, and called you He did to become a Baptist. God has called you to His Truth and has given you the Gift of His Son Jesus' and adult Baptism.

As for your lies of the earth being round, look around you where you sit right now, what tells you the earth is round from what you see and feel? The land under your feet is flat and so is the earth. The image you gave cannot be trusted because it isn't found in the King James Version Bible. We must trust God and His gifts, He gave us eyes to see His creation as He created it, a flat earth, a wonderful and blessed gift, and He gave us dominion over it, This is proof itself, the fact that man has dominion over the fish of the sea is proof that the earth is flat as both are found in the King James Version of the Bible, to believe differently is to believe that we do not have dominion that we are ruled by 'fish'

you don't believe we are ruled by fish do you? so why do you believe the earth is round?

[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: Hello there

The Bible is a book based on FAITH. FAITH = isn't based on FACTS.

That the earth is round is a FACT. You can see it with your own eyes. Look at over the sea and you'll see. Look at satelite pictures and you'll see. God you're one of the most ignorant people I have ever seen.

Well you probably think unicorns are imaginary, I hope you don't mind the C and P but there were too many references for me to put it in my own words.

nicorns in the Bible?

by Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell, AiG–U.S.

June 25, 2008


Semi-technical
Keywords

• author-elizabeth-mitchell
• bible
• hebrew
• history

Keywords: unicorns, Bible, animals, Job, rhinoceros, elasmotherium, aurochs, rimu, wild ox, Bos primigenius, extinct
Some people claim the Bible is a book of fairy tales because it mentions unicorns. However, the biblical unicorn was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. The Bible refers to the unicorn in the context of familiar animals, such as peacocks, lambs, lions, bullocks, goats, donkeys, horses, dogs, eagles, and calves (Job 39:9–12.1) In Job 38–41, God reminded Job of the characteristics of a variety of impressive animals He had created, showing Job that God was far above man in power and strength.2
Job had to be familiar with the animals on God’s list for the illustration to be effective. God points out in Job 39:9–12 that the unicorn, “whose strength is great,” is useless for agricultural work, refusing to serve man or “harrow (plow) the valley.” This visual aid gave Job a glimpse of God’s greatness. An imaginary fantasy animal would have defeated the purpose of God’s illustration.
Modern readers have trouble with the Bible’s unicorns because we forget that a single-horned feature is not uncommon on God’s menu for animal design. (Consider the rhinoceros and narwhal.) The Bible describes unicorns skipping like calves (Psalm 29:6), traveling like bullocks, and bleeding when they die (Isaiah 34:7). The presence of a very strong horn on this powerful, independent-minded creature is intended to make readers think of strength.
The absence of a unicorn in the modern world should not cause us to doubt its past existence. (Think of the dodo bird. It does not exist today, but we do not doubt that it existed in the past.). Eighteenth century reports from southern Africa described rock drawings and eyewitness accounts of fierce, single-horned, equine-like animals. One such report describes “a single horn, directly in front, about as long as one’s arm, and at the base about as thick . . . . [It] had a sharp point; it was not attached to the bone of the forehead, but fixed only in the skin.”3
The elasmotherium, an extinct giant rhinoceros, provides another possibility for the unicorn’s identity. The elasmotherium’s 33-inch-long skull has a huge bony protuberance on the frontal bone consistent with the support structure for a massive horn.4 In fact, archaeologist Austen Henry Layard, in his 1849 book Nineveh and Its Remains, sketched a single-horned creature from an obelisk in company with two-horned bovine animals; he identified the single-horned animal as an Indian rhinoceros.5 The biblical unicorn could have been the elasmotherium.6
Assyrian archaeology provides one other possible solution to the unicorn identity crisis. The biblical unicorn could have been an aurochs (a kind of wild ox known to the Assyrians as rimu).7 The aurochs’s horns were very symmetrical and often appeared as one in profile, as can be seen on Ashurnasirpal II’s palace relief and Esarhaddon’s stone prism.8 Fighting rimu was a popular sport for Assyrian kings. On a broken obelisk, for instance, Tiglath-Pileser I boasted of slaying them in the Lebanon mountains.9
Extinct since about 1627, aurochs, Bos primigenius, were huge bovine creatures.10 Julius Caesar described them in his Gallic Wars as:

“a little below the elephant in size, and of the appearance, color, and shape of a bull. Their strength and speed are extraordinary; they spare neither man nor wild beast which they have espied . . . . Not even when taken very young can they be rendered familiar to men and tamed. The size, shape, and appearance of their horns differ much from the horns of our oxen. These they anxiously seek after, and bind at the tips with silver, and use as cups at their most sumptuous entertainments.”11

The aurochs’ highly prized horns would have been a symbol of great strength to the ancient Bible reader.
One scholarly urge to identify the biblical unicorn with the Assyrian aurochs springs from a similarity between the Assyrian word rimu and the Hebrew word re’em. We must be very careful when dealing with anglicized transliterated words from languages that do not share the English alphabet and phonetic structure.12 However, similar words in Ugaritic and Akkadian (other languages of the ancient Middle East) as well as Aramaic mean “wild bull” or “buffalo,” and an Arabic cognate means “white antelope.”
However, the linguistics of the text cannot conclusively prove how many horns the biblical unicorn had. While modern translations typically translate re’em as “wild ox,” the King James Version (1611), Luther’s German Bible (1534), the Septuagint, and the Latin Vulgate translated this Hebrew word with words meaning “one-horned animal.” 13
The importance of the biblical unicorn is not so much its specific identity—much as we would like to know—but its reality. The Bible is clearly describing a real animal. The unicorn mentioned in the Bible was a powerful animal possessing one or two strong horns—not the fantasy animal that has been popularized in movies and books. Whatever it was, it is now likely extinct like many other animals. To think of the biblical unicorn as a fantasy animal is to demean God’s Word, which is true in every detail.
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Footnotes

1. In addition to Job 39:9–10, the unicorn is mentioned in Numbers 23:22, 24:8; Deuteronomy 33:17; Psalm 22:21, 29:6, 92:10; Isaiah 34:7. Back
2. In Job, God’s list of impressive real animals goes on to discuss peacocks, ostriches, horses, hawks, and eagles. God builds up to a crescendo, commanding Job to look at the behemoth, which He had created on the same day He created man (Job 40:15). The behemoth’s description matches that of a sauropod dinosaur. Following the behemoth, the list concludes with the leviathan, a powerful fiery sea creature. See “Could Behemoth Have Been a Dinosaur?” Back
3. Edward Robinson, ed., Calmet’s Dictionary of the Holy Bible, 1832 revised edition, pages 907–908. Back
4. The report in Nature described a 33-inch-long skull with a bony frontal protuberance more than three feet in circumference. This bony protuberance with its associated structures is thought to have supported a horn over a yard long. Norman Lockyer, “The Elasmotherium,” Nature: International Weekly Journal of Science, August 8, 1878, p. 388. Back
5. Austen Henry Layard, Nineveh and Its Remains (London: John Murray, 1849), p. 435. Back
6. A margin note on Isaiah 34:7 placed in the King James Version in 1769 mentions this possible identity, and the Latin Vulgate translates the same Hebrew word as “unicorn” in some contexts and “rhinoceros” in others. Back
7. Aurochs is both singular and plural, like sheep. Back
8. Viewable at www.britishmuseum.org. Back
9. Algernon Heber-Percy, A Visit to Bashan and Argob (London: The Religious Tract Society, 1895), p. 150. Back
10. Brittanica Concise Encyclopedia, 2007, s.v. “Aurochs.” Back
11. Julius Caesar, Gallic Wars, Book 6, chapter 28 (http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.6.6.html). Back
12. Elizabeth Mitchell, “Doesn’t Egyptian Chronology Prove That the Bible Is Unreliable?” in The New Answer Book 2, ed. Ken Ham (Green Forest, Arkansas: Master Books, 2008), pp. 245–264 Back
13. Some writers who hold to the two-horned identity think that the KJV translators substituted the plural unicorns for the singular an unicorn in Deuteronomy 33:17 because they were uncomfortable with the idea of a two-horned unicorn. However, the KJV translators themselves noted the literal translation an unicorn in their own margin note. They likely chose the plural rendering to fit the context of the verse. Deuteronomy 33:17 states, “His [Joseph’s] glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.” The verse compares the tribal descendants of Joseph’s “horns,” meaning descendants of his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, with the strong horns of unicorns. “Horns” is plural because there are two sons in view, and “unicorn” is referenced because the unicorn’s horn is so incredibly strong. Back

[iAmAtheist]

Re: Hello there

Well you probably think unicorns are imaginary, I hope you don't mind the C and P but there were too many references for me to put it in my own words.

nicorns in the Bible?

by Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell, AiG–U.S.

June 25, 2008


Semi-technical
Keywords

• author-elizabeth-mitchell
• bible
• hebrew
• history

Keywords: unicorns, Bible, animals, Job, rhinoceros, elasmotherium, aurochs, rimu, wild ox, Bos primigenius, extinct
Some people claim the Bible is a book of fairy tales because it mentions unicorns. However, the biblical unicorn was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. The Bible refers to the unicorn in the context of familiar animals, such as peacocks, lambs, lions, bullocks, goats, donkeys, horses, dogs, eagles, and calves (Job 39:9–12.1) In Job 38–41, God reminded Job of the characteristics of a variety of impressive animals He had created, showing Job that God was far above man in power and strength.2
Job had to be familiar with the animals on God’s list for the illustration to be effective. God points out in Job 39:9–12 that the unicorn, “whose strength is great,” is useless for agricultural work, refusing to serve man or “harrow (plow) the valley.” This visual aid gave Job a glimpse of God’s greatness. An imaginary fantasy animal would have defeated the purpose of God’s illustration.
Modern readers have trouble with the Bible’s unicorns because we forget that a single-horned feature is not uncommon on God’s menu for animal design. (Consider the rhinoceros and narwhal.) The Bible describes unicorns skipping like calves (Psalm 29:6), traveling like bullocks, and bleeding when they die (Isaiah 34:7). The presence of a very strong horn on this powerful, independent-minded creature is intended to make readers think of strength.
The absence of a unicorn in the modern world should not cause us to doubt its past existence. (Think of the dodo bird. It does not exist today, but we do not doubt that it existed in the past.). Eighteenth century reports from southern Africa described rock drawings and eyewitness accounts of fierce, single-horned, equine-like animals. One such report describes “a single horn, directly in front, about as long as one’s arm, and at the base about as thick . . . . [It] had a sharp point; it was not attached to the bone of the forehead, but fixed only in the skin.”3
The elasmotherium, an extinct giant rhinoceros, provides another possibility for the unicorn’s identity. The elasmotherium’s 33-inch-long skull has a huge bony protuberance on the frontal bone consistent with the support structure for a massive horn.4 In fact, archaeologist Austen Henry Layard, in his 1849 book Nineveh and Its Remains, sketched a single-horned creature from an obelisk in company with two-horned bovine animals; he identified the single-horned animal as an Indian rhinoceros.5 The biblical unicorn could have been the elasmotherium.6
Assyrian archaeology provides one other possible solution to the unicorn identity crisis. The biblical unicorn could have been an aurochs (a kind of wild ox known to the Assyrians as rimu).7 The aurochs’s horns were very symmetrical and often appeared as one in profile, as can be seen on Ashurnasirpal II’s palace relief and Esarhaddon’s stone prism.8 Fighting rimu was a popular sport for Assyrian kings. On a broken obelisk, for instance, Tiglath-Pileser I boasted of slaying them in the Lebanon mountains.9
Extinct since about 1627, aurochs, Bos primigenius, were huge bovine creatures.10 Julius Caesar described them in his Gallic Wars as:

“a little below the elephant in size, and of the appearance, color, and shape of a bull. Their strength and speed are extraordinary; they spare neither man nor wild beast which they have espied . . . . Not even when taken very young can they be rendered familiar to men and tamed. The size, shape, and appearance of their horns differ much from the horns of our oxen. These they anxiously seek after, and bind at the tips with silver, and use as cups at their most sumptuous entertainments.”11

The aurochs’ highly prized horns would have been a symbol of great strength to the ancient Bible reader.
One scholarly urge to identify the biblical unicorn with the Assyrian aurochs springs from a similarity between the Assyrian word rimu and the Hebrew word re’em. We must be very careful when dealing with anglicized transliterated words from languages that do not share the English alphabet and phonetic structure.12 However, similar words in Ugaritic and Akkadian (other languages of the ancient Middle East) as well as Aramaic mean “wild bull” or “buffalo,” and an Arabic cognate means “white antelope.”
However, the linguistics of the text cannot conclusively prove how many horns the biblical unicorn had. While modern translations typically translate re’em as “wild ox,” the King James Version (1611), Luther’s German Bible (1534), the Septuagint, and the Latin Vulgate translated this Hebrew word with words meaning “one-horned animal.” 13
The importance of the biblical unicorn is not so much its specific identity—much as we would like to know—but its reality. The Bible is clearly describing a real animal. The unicorn mentioned in the Bible was a powerful animal possessing one or two strong horns—not the fantasy animal that has been popularized in movies and books. Whatever it was, it is now likely extinct like many other animals. To think of the biblical unicorn as a fantasy animal is to demean God’s Word, which is true in every detail.
Help keep these daily articles coming. Support AiG.
Footnotes

1. In addition to Job 39:9–10, the unicorn is mentioned in Numbers 23:22, 24:8; Deuteronomy 33:17; Psalm 22:21, 29:6, 92:10; Isaiah 34:7. Back
2. In Job, God’s list of impressive real animals goes on to discuss peacocks, ostriches, horses, hawks, and eagles. God builds up to a crescendo, commanding Job to look at the behemoth, which He had created on the same day He created man (Job 40:15). The behemoth’s description matches that of a sauropod dinosaur. Following the behemoth, the list concludes with the leviathan, a powerful fiery sea creature. See “Could Behemoth Have Been a Dinosaur?” Back
3. Edward Robinson, ed., Calmet’s Dictionary of the Holy Bible, 1832 revised edition, pages 907–908. Back
4. The report in Nature described a 33-inch-long skull with a bony frontal protuberance more than three feet in circumference. This bony protuberance with its associated structures is thought to have supported a horn over a yard long. Norman Lockyer, “The Elasmotherium,” Nature: International Weekly Journal of Science, August 8, 1878, p. 388. Back
5. Austen Henry Layard, Nineveh and Its Remains (London: John Murray, 1849), p. 435. Back
6. A margin note on Isaiah 34:7 placed in the King James Version in 1769 mentions this possible identity, and the Latin Vulgate translates the same Hebrew word as “unicorn” in some contexts and “rhinoceros” in others. Back
7. Aurochs is both singular and plural, like sheep. Back
8. Viewable at www.britishmuseum.org. Back
9. Algernon Heber-Percy, A Visit to Bashan and Argob (London: The Religious Tract Society, 1895), p. 150. Back
10. Brittanica Concise Encyclopedia, 2007, s.v. “Aurochs.” Back
11. Julius Caesar, Gallic Wars, Book 6, chapter 28 (http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.6.6.html). Back
12. Elizabeth Mitchell, “Doesn’t Egyptian Chronology Prove That the Bible Is Unreliable?” in The New Answer Book 2, ed. Ken Ham (Green Forest, Arkansas: Master Books, 2008), pp. 245–264 Back
13. Some writers who hold to the two-horned identity think that the KJV translators substituted the plural unicorns for the singular an unicorn in Deuteronomy 33:17 because they were uncomfortable with the idea of a two-horned unicorn. However, the KJV translators themselves noted the literal translation an unicorn in their own margin note. They likely chose the plural rendering to fit the context of the verse. Deuteronomy 33:17 states, “His [Joseph’s] glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.” The verse compares the tribal descendants of Joseph’s “horns,” meaning descendants of his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, with the strong horns of unicorns. “Horns” is plural because there are two sons in view, and “unicorn” is referenced because the unicorn’s horn is so incredibly strong. Back

Are you for real? This forum seems like a big joke filled with people trying to fool others.

[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: Hello there

Have you looked through this whole forum? Do you honestly a group of people got together and put in years of work just to trick you....remember when i explained the egocentric mind to you, here is yet another example.
No this forum is a work of faith for all of us.

[iAmAtheist]

Re: Hello there

Have you looked through this whole forum? Do you honestly a group of people got together and put in years of work just to trick you....remember when i explained the egocentric mind to you, here is yet another example.
No this forum is a work of faith for all of us.

Yet nobody is able to find me 1 good reason to believe in God.

[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: Hello there

Yet nobody is able to find me 1 good reason to believe in God.

Before we go any further I want you to join me in prater, will you do that.
It is from the book of Psalms and it will just take a second then we will try to answer your question.

3Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.



4Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.


5Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.


6Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.


7For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.


8Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.


9And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

[iAmAtheist]

Re: Hello there

Before we go any further I want you to join me in prater, will you do that.
It is from the book of Psalms and it will just take a second then we will try to answer your question.

3Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.



4Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.


5Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.


6Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.


7For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.


8Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.


9And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

k I read it

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello there

Yet nobody is able to find me 1 good reason to believe in God.

It is because you do not want to believe in God. I offered to discuss your science fiction theory of round earth, but you declined. All you want to do is ridicule the Lord, the Bible, and True Christians.

[Nobar King]

Re: Hello there

Yet nobody is able to find me 1 good reason to believe in God.

They're all good reasons. It's not my fault that you're so resistant.

[scherzo]

Re: Hello there

Yet nobody is able to find me 1 good reason to believe in God.

You throw away His gift of sight and the KJV Bible? these are 2 excellent reasons to believe.