[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

What proof do you have that God does not exist? And do not respond by asking me to prove he does. I asked you FIRST since your threw down the Gauntlet of Challenge®. You cannot use theories or guess. concrete irrefutable proof.

The reason I replied with a question is because YOU can't prove it either. But; here are some theories I have come up with myself to prove that God doesn't exist.

-In the Bible, I'm pretty sure it says somewhere that WAY underground is Hell. But, there are other planets out there, are there not? So that means if you die on Mars and you've been a bad person, or homosexual, whatever, you get transported light-years away, back to Earth, underground. Also at some points it says Heaven is located in the clouds. Okay, say it's invisible, so airplanes can't reach it. We'll say only souls can reach/see/be in it. Either way, that would make Earth the special planet in the universe. One governed by a God and a Demi-God. One with THE Heaven and Hell. There is no other, right? And so God says, there are no other Gods than him, right? So no other Gods are monitoring other planets. So what makes the human race so special? If we exist here, and can find other planets with same or close conditions, such as Titan, one of Saturn's moons, then there's bound to be life somewhere else in the universe, right? A Godless society? So why in the hell would "God" chose this planet? What's the point? There may be even more advanced life somewhere in the universe. And don't tell me you don't believe in life starting without a God. How do you think we cloned a sheep and a dog with no problems? Atoms/Molecules. DNA. That could form on some planet with a good atmosphere. So, why Earth?



-And, just because there's a book governing your every move, and the religion yourself does not mean it's true. And, I don't get how it could be written through a span of thousands of years, whereas Jesus was born, killed, revived and never heard from again in under a span of 100 years. Okay, sure, written by about 40 people. I'll believe that. But say all those 40 people were writing it for the same cause. For a better future. One with less killing, stealing, something to scare the idiots into believing.


And that's just two. Completely legit. Thought-out. Happy?

[Lisa H]

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... Atheism lets you make your own connections, there's no "instruction guide." You can make your own beliefs and rules. ...

Is another rule for atheists. There seems to be a lot of rules for something that has no rules.

From this "rule" Christians can be atheists.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

OK, so let me see if I understand what you believe.

First, there was nothing. Nothing exploded (for no apparent reason) and became something. In the midst of this explosion were life forms existing in a vacuum, that got stuck to meteors that landed on planets and interbred to make humans.

Is that about right? You have no idea where the something came from, or the life forms that were part of the explosion.

Can you even provide a "science" reference that supports this ridiculous cosmology?

Really?

But all the atheists who come here claim that atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in gods and IS NOT a religion.

While we know that atheism is really hatred of God so intense that they deny He exists, atheists claim that there is no "atheist set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Atheists say they do not believe in "a supernatural agency or agencies", do not have "devotional and ritual observances", and have no moral code.

Secular humanism might fit part of that definition, in the moral code. Unitarianism has the devotional and ritual observances.

But sorry, every atheist I've ever met or conversed with on this forum or interacted with in any way would disagree with your claim that atheism fits any part of your definition of a religion.

SO, please explain for us the atheist beliefs about the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Bear in mind that many atheists do not subscribe to the Big Bang OR to M Theory.

Tell us about the supernatural agency or agencies that atheists worship.

Describe the atheist ritual and devotional observances.

Point us to the atheist moral code.

Thanks!

First, there was nothing. Nothing exploded (for no apparent reason) and became something. In the midst of this explosion were life forms existing in a vacuum, that got stuck to meteors that landed on planets and interbred to make humans.

I love how you took that from a stupid Christianity diss picture.
But no, there wasn't nothing. As I've explained, it was a huge ball, or whatever the shape was, and it exploded spreading across the universe.

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Is that about right? You have no idea where the something came from, or the life forms that were part of the explosion.

Neither do you. Suppose "God" doesn't exist. Do you know where it came from? No. Hence, theories.

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Can you even provide a "science" reference that supports this ridiculous cosmology?

I already have. Read my posts.

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But all the atheists who come here claim that atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in gods and IS NOT a religion.

As I've already quoted, a religion is something that a group of people believe in. In this case, a mass belief of something that ISN'T.

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While we know that atheism is really hatred of God so intense that they deny He exists,

>we know
You must not know s hit about atheism, then. It's not "hatred" of God. Who can hate something that doesn't exist? Sure, you can hate the belief. Actually, a lot of atheists do hate the belief. But not as if he's real. Atheism is simply not surrendering to any type or form of supernatural thing/God. Not the hate of your Christian God, which is completely conceited because "God/Jesus" isn't the only belief of a God out there.

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atheists claim that there is no "atheist set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Atheists say they do not believe in "a supernatural agency or agencies", do not have "devotional and ritual observances", and have no moral code.

Secular humanism might fit part of that definition, in the moral code. Unitarianism has the devotional and ritual observances.

Okay, yes, you're right, it may. But those are just parts of atheism. Don't you see? Those things are simply parts of Atheism, and doesn't cover the entire meaning and purpose of it.

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But sorry, every atheist I've ever met or conversed with on this forum or interacted with in any way would disagree with your claim that atheism fits any part of your definition of a religion.

No, they wouldn't. Explain to them what I just did you. They would understand and agree with me.

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SO, please explain for us the atheist beliefs about the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Bear in mind that many atheists do not subscribe to the Big Bang OR to M Theory.

Tell us about the supernatural agency or agencies that atheists worship.

Describe the atheist ritual and devotional observances.

Point us to the atheist moral code.

Thanks!

1. Cause of the universe? Whatever theory you want to believe in. Atheism lets you make your own connections, there's no "instruction guide." You can make your own beliefs and rules. And again, we're only human. We don't know EXACTLY how the universe was created. The best theory so far is the Big Bang, so that.
Nature? Just the logic and physics explained by science.
Purpose? None. It is, after all, inanimate. It's a wide open space. It's not supposed to support life, or even ANYTHING, but it just so happens that it does.

2. The only "supernatural" thing that Atheists may believe in are aliens. Not the "illegal aliens," ones who have illegally migrated, but real aliens. And most atheists are smart enough not to believe in the stereotypical alien and UFO. But just living somewhere in another solar system on a planet. Even if they're tiny, or don't operate like we do at all. Though they do not at all "worship" anything.

3. N/A

4. Two main things, basically the same.
-Don't believe in any God
-Don't follow any other religion, if it's a God or not

You're welcome!

[James Hutchins]

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No. That's not what I was saying at all. That's not WHY I'm atheist. I know he does not exist. Come on, that's just silly. I'm simply saying Atheism is quite special and full of liberty, free from the stupid commandments that you all have to follow.

What proof do you have that God does not exist? And do not respond by asking me to prove he does. I asked you FIRST since your threw down the Gauntlet of Challenge(r). You cannot use theories or guess. concrete irrefutable proof.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

AH HA! You admit it!

You hate God and His rules, so you deny that He exists so you won't have to obey.

Congratulations, you have proven what we have known to be true about atheists all along: You know God exists, you just don't want to obey and you hate Him so you deny His existence.

No. That's not what I was saying at all. That's not WHY I'm atheist. I know he does not exist. Come on, that's just silly. I'm simply saying Atheism is quite special and full of liberty, free from the stupid commandments that you all have to follow.

[Phebe Carlyle]

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Can I justify that cracks me up. Making so many guess and interestingly, "prayers of hope" that these 'scientific theories' are correct. Time and time again, most theories have been eventually proven false. However, the Bible has remained steadfast with no change , Ever! That alone should tell you something.
Theories are guess of explanations, the Bible has no guesses. It tells it like it was and is. There are no 'Maybes' in the Bible.
I look out my window in the middle of the day and see light. A scientist might 'theorize' I left the floodlights on or maybe the sun is shinning. He does not know, he is guessing. Believing in God, I know enough to see the Truth® so I simply go outside and see for myself. So where the 'scientist' is guessing, I know the fact. Just like the Bible. The Truth®.
So, as a 'scientist' you better pray your guess is correct because if you are wrong, you will be mighty sorry.

AMEN Brother you are so right!!

I was thinking about his waffling earlier and he claims that only science has shown technology. . Then how does he explain all the technology that happened for THOUSANDS of years before science? God didn't need this science to create EVERYTHING. This secular science thing is just a "trendy new fad" the kids these days jump on the bandwagon of, to merely rebel and to "show"(well claim anyhoo) that they have a mind of their own!

I just don't understand all their "what if" questions, when the resounding proof and answer to ANY question is tucked within the pages of the KJV1611.

YIC

Sister Phebe.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello.

Can I justify that cracks me up. Making so many guess and interestingly, "prayers of hope" that these 'scientific theories' are correct. Time and time again, most theories have been eventually proven false. However, the Bible has remained steadfast with no change , Ever! That alone should tell you something.
Theories are guess of explanations, the Bible has no guesses. It tells it like it was and is. There are no 'Maybes' in the Bible.
I look out my window in the middle of the day and see light. A scientist might 'theorize' I left the floodlights on or maybe the sun is shinning. He does not know, he is guessing. Believing in God, I know enough to see the Truth® so I simply go outside and see for myself. So where the 'scientist' is guessing, I know the fact. Just like the Bible. The Truth®.
So, as a 'scientist' you better pray your guess is correct because if you are wrong, you will be mighty sorry.

[Lisa H]

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1. I didn't say "because I am Atheist." I said I don't WANT to follow laws and regulations, so I'm Atheist. Your constant going on about having no Gods being a rule in Atheism is f*uc*king stupid. Just stop it. It's not getting you anywhere. That's an easy rule to follow, it doesn't make you do anything. No, Christians can't be Atheist.

2. When did I say it was at the same time? Again, it doesn't matter when or over what period of time it was written. That's completely irrelevant.

3. I did realize the Bible has a multitude of sources. And I told you that all those sources could have been a bunch of people just wanting a better future, and so wrote that book.

Not following rules & regulations is rebellious or lawless, not atheism. If Christians cannot be atheists then it must be a law. What is so hard to understand about that. You were the one that said atheism was a religion, so admit you are following religious laws.

Why cannot you accept the Bible has been written over a long period of time by different people, and is valid proof. According to your scientific theory models, it counts as valid proof. Funny how you would accept data from your scientists presented in the same way, but not the Bible.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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1. I didn't say "because I am Atheist." I said I don't WANT to follow laws and regulations, so I'm Atheist.

AH HA! You admit it!

You hate God and His rules, so you deny that He exists so you won't have to obey.

Congratulations, you have proven what we have known to be true about atheists all along: You know God exists, you just don't want to obey and you hate Him so you deny His existence.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello.

1. Not at all. You know, you could be at least a bit understanding and not a smartass. I meant religious rules as in The "Ten Commandments." Not, "Oh, yeah, I have to be Godless to be an Atheist, oh no." Your argument is invalid.

2. What the hell does a coffee shop have to do with it? Does it really matter to you where the book was written?

3. Again, "facts" from the Bible? You can't use your own damn religion to prove your own damn religion right. There's nothing that proves the Bible to be true, so until it is proved true, all the facts in there are meaningless.

The Bible consists of 66 books written by more than 40 authors over a period of over two thousand years. It corroborates itself because it isn't one book by one group of people, but more than five dozen books written in different languages within different cultures. That is the point Lisa is trying to make.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

You were the one claiming you do not follow religious laws because you are and atheist. You also claimed Atheism is a religion. Therefore you must be following religious laws.

What are trying to say now. Christians can be atheists also because there are laws in being an atheist.



If only you would understand the Bible was not written by a single group of people at the same time.



Again, failing to release that the Bible has a multitude of sources.

1. I didn't say "because I am Atheist." I said I don't WANT to follow laws and regulations, so I'm Atheist. Your constant going on about having no Gods being a rule in Atheism is f*uc*king stupid. Just stop it. It's not getting you anywhere. That's an easy rule to follow, it doesn't make you do anything. No, Christians can't be Atheist.

2. When did I say it was at the same time? Again, it doesn't matter when or over what period of time it was written. That's completely irrelevant.

3. I did realize the Bible has a multitude of sources. And I told you that all those sources could have been a bunch of people just wanting a better future, and so wrote that book.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Good question. Ever hear of the big bang? Again, I doubt it, so here you are;

The big bang is a theory that a bunch of chemicals and materials in a huge ball, septillions of times bigger than the biggest thing you could imagine. It all exploded, and sent chunks of rock and chemical floating around the universe. Some chemicals formed and created stars, some stars died and created black holes, some things crashed into one another, halting the explosive speeds of some rock and material, and keep in mind that all this material is HUGE. So when one crashes into another, they slowly stop moving, some stars catch slow moving rocks in it's pull, and therefore creates a planet. Then other life forms, which were also in the big bang mix hit the planet, that say, was attached to a meteor, and created the life that we have today.

OK, so let me see if I understand what you believe.

First, there was nothing. Nothing exploded (for no apparent reason) and became something. In the midst of this explosion were life forms existing in a vacuum, that got stuck to meteors that landed on planets and interbred to make humans.

Is that about right? You have no idea where the something came from, or the life forms that were part of the explosion.

Can you even provide a "science" reference that supports this ridiculous cosmology?

1. Definitions of Religion on the Web: A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

So yes, by the definition of religion, Atheism is a religion.

Really?

But all the atheists who come here claim that atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF in gods and IS NOT a religion.

While we know that atheism is really hatred of God so intense that they deny He exists, atheists claim that there is no "atheist set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe". Atheists say they do not believe in "a supernatural agency or agencies", do not have "devotional and ritual observances", and have no moral code.

Secular humanism might fit part of that definition, in the moral code. Unitarianism has the devotional and ritual observances.

But sorry, every atheist I've ever met or conversed with on this forum or interacted with in any way would disagree with your claim that atheism fits any part of your definition of a religion.

SO, please explain for us the atheist beliefs about the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

Bear in mind that many atheists do not subscribe to the Big Bang OR to M Theory.

Tell us about the supernatural agency or agencies that atheists worship.

Describe the atheist ritual and devotional observances.

Point us to the atheist moral code.

Thanks!

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello.

1. Not at all. You know, you could be at least a bit understanding and not a smartass. I meant religious rules as in The "Ten Commandments." Not, "Oh, yeah, I have to be Godless to be an Atheist, oh no." Your argument is invalid.

You were the one claiming you do not follow religious laws because you are and atheist. You also claimed Atheism is a religion. Therefore you must be following religious laws.

What are trying to say now. Christians can be atheists also because there are laws in being an atheist.

2. What the hell does a coffee shop have to do with it? Does it really matter to you where the book was written?

If only you would understand the Bible was not written by a single group of people at the same time.

3. Again, "facts" from the Bible? You can't use your own damn religion to prove your own damn religion right. There's nothing that proves the Bible to be true, so until it is proved true, all the facts in there are meaningless.

Again, failing to release that the Bible has a multitude of sources.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

So you are admitting there are rules to being an atheist. That in so following these rules you are in fact following religious laws.



Well, if you have read the Bible you will see it was written over a very long time. Not by some group of people having a cafe latte in a coffee shop.



Now you are just being petty because you arguments are faltering against the facts from the Bible.

1. Not at all. You know, you could be at least a bit understanding and not a smartass. I meant religious rules as in The "Ten Commandments." Not, "Oh, yeah, I have to be Godless to be an Atheist, oh no." Your argument is invalid.

2. What the hell does a coffee shop have to do with it? Does it really matter to you where the book was written?

3. Again, "facts" from the Bible? You can't use your own damn religion to prove your own damn religion right. There's nothing that proves the Bible to be true, so until it is proved true, all the facts in there are meaningless.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

Yes, you have been proven wrong with each post you make. Tell your master satan that we have JESUS on our side and cannot be defeated!



It is not our goal to "make Christians look good." We are here to uplift Jesus and follow the teachings of the Holy Bibe WORD FOR WORD, as God commands.



Then he is no Christian.

1. No, I have not been proven wrong. Not at all. I have yet to see someone prove me wrong. Any point I made in the first post. I've been proving your replies wrong as well.

2. I don't care if it is your goal or not, I was clearly stating you were making them look bad.

3. Yes, he is a Christian. It's just proof towards how a lot of things on this forum is ridiculous.