[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hello.

Yes, that's correct. As long as the theory makes sense, and is logical, and is not backed up by something UNPROVED, like the Bible. Check out the thread "The Bible is not really the word of God."

Actually, I proved mine below using the scientific method. I noticed that you didn't even try.

Name to me 10. 10 that really happened, 10 that you're most amazed with. The only reason people believe the Bible is because of the coincidences. So yes, that's probably right. The Bible was written over a long period of time and by 40+ people, was it not? Easily made coincidences.

1. Ezekiel 37:21 21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
The children of Israel got their land back in May of 1948, long after the Bible was written.

2. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Moses spoke of the coming of Jesus

3. Psalms 22 explains the death an rising of Jesus. In fact Jesus started to quote it while on the cross (my father, my father, why hast thou forsaken me).

4. Christians would be persecuted throughout the world.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
We have been persecuted, from the crucifixion of Jesus, to being thrown to the Lions, to the catholics trying to wipe us out, to the new atheists fighting to get churches wiped off the planet.

5. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Science will put our souls at risk, really I don't think leeches and horse drawn carriages were what he was talking about.

6. 2nd Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
God has sent strong delusions so that people would not believe in him, hence the rise in atheism.

7. Revelation 6. First seal, 2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. world wars. Didn't happen in history until 1914.

8. Revelation 6. Second seal, 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. The last half of the 20th century had more wars than the rest of human history put together

9. Revelation 6. Third seal 6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The rice shortages of 2009? The fact that farmers are not growing food because growing corn for biofuel makes them more money? I believe this is where we are now.

10. Revelation 6. Fourth seal 8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Sounds like what's happening now with your "global warming".

Of course they're not what scientists say. It's rooted off of theories. Like theories are supposed to work. I have gotten very high grades in science, but my science classes were not governed by some stupid belief of God creating it. That's all. And no, what I'm "spewing" is my theories, good ones at that, and nothing from the Internet. All of this is original content.

You just hate God, that's all there is to it. I actually respect an atheist who has put some thought into it. At least they realize what they're fighting about, but you sound like the "rebel without a cause" what are you fighting against? Whatever we've got.

No, I am not 12. And yes, I am over 15. My age really is not important. An age is an age, though some of you are acting quite immature. And yes, I did. You dis-acknowledged it.

You were the one who brought up age. I also find it interesting that we have answered every question you have asked us but all you do is duck and weave like a loosing boxer.

I know I'm right because all the theories I've come up with and science to back me up is just so blatant that I am correct. You also believe this, you're right because God exists. So in that logic, God exists because he does. That makes much more sense.



I honestly don't care about Dawkins.

Oh, now you know more about atheism than Dawkins. That's funny, you know it all, you're smarter than us Christians and you're smarter than your atheist leaders.

Life: Molecules/DNA mixed.
Universe: Something to do with the Big Bang.
Until some of those coincidences are named, they are coincidences and just that. I bet you I could prove each and every one coincidence.
P.S. Life is created every day. You have no proof it's God who creates it.

That's not the scientific method. Here, I'll start it for you and you fill in the blanks.

Hypothesis: God does not exist
Test that DISPROVES your hypothesis:
Actually do the test:
Did you disprove your hypothesis.

Come on now, if you did so well in science you should be able to do this at least. Or has secular school really dumbed down this much?

I have displayed MANY theories. You just don't have the brain mass to actually understand what and where they are, you're just ignoring everything because you don't know how to fight what I'm saying. It's pathetic, really.

Yeah, your right, I've got two secular degrees sitting on my wall, but I'm too stupid to understand the ramblings of an Internet troll.

Of course they were. LOL...
What an effective way to tell the seasons.
Planets orbit the sun. They do not stay the same every single season.

Genesis 1:14-19 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

>mature
I was doing it immaturely, to mock your immaturity. So in a way, you just proved to yourself that you are immature.
>your
Hum. Amazing grammar.

You know you still haven't answered one of my questions. Not one.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

So I see you've been banned for disagreeing with us have you? Is this part of your "reality"?


That's not what the Bible tells us.

1 John 2:22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


Except, as I have been repeatedly trying to tell you, your point of view doesn't make sense from any angle. I really do try and look at the world from other peoples viewpoints, but I can't understand yours other than you hate God and will accept any old crazy theory no matter how little sense it makes, as long as it doesn't require God. You've ducked and weaved every question on here and you're only "theory" has been "God doesn't exist so Nyahhh". That's not a theory, that's a 12-year-olds temper tantrum.



So we're bad because we don't change our minds with every new idea that comes on here? Why don't you go tell alll the wiccans why their wrong, or the Scientologists, or the Buddhists? Why are you picking on the Christians? Could it be because you are angry at God for something that happened in your life?

Again, using your Bible as evidence and proof. COMPLETELY useless.
Of course my viewpoint doesn't make sense to any of you, of how Christian you say you are, it seems like it's some form of rule not to be able to see other peoples' points of view.

You're just so immature and stubborn that you can't learn to try and look at what I'm saying. I'm really wasting my time here.

And you don't have to "change your minds," but you could say something other than "no you're wrong, so says a book that hasn't been proven true and by saying that, God exists and that is blatant because of said book."

No, I am not angry at something that never existed.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello.

WOW. You are SO naive. It's only flat because, do you know how much time it would take for them to record every mountain, that would take a lot of time and the program would be HUGE. Google Earth would not be free, that's way too much to record.

Google earth is flat because the earth is flat. Have you not noticed all navigational aids such as maps, etc are flat. Have you ever seen a spherical GPS unit, do you see pilots flying with spherical maps.

Have you not noticed mountains on Google earth. So I do not know why you have said that.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Hello.

WOW. You are SO naive. It's only flat because, do you know how much time it would take for them to record every mountain, that would take a lot of time and the program would be HUGE. Google Earth would not be free, that's way too much to record.

So Google Earth wouldn't be free if the world was round, ergo the world is round?

I'm not sure I follow this reasoning.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

I have already discussed sattellites, GPS, Google Maps & Earth. They prove the earth is flat. To use your own words, "Open your eyes. It's all so blatant."

WOW. You are SO naive. It's only flat because, do you know how much time it would take for them to record every mountain, that would take a lot of time and the program would be HUGE. Google Earth would not be free, that's way too much to record.

[Moogitar (On Moderation)]

Re: Hello.

Cars don't pull themselves on the road. They move because their driving wheels propel them. If what you said was true, cars would only be able to move in on direction.

What makes you think God would have given us all knowledge from the start. Have you heard of the saying, "I just had an idea pop into my head and it worked" that is God sending you a message on how to do something. Have you ever done something at it worked, even though you know nothing about it. Sometimes Satan gives idea's also, thats why there are disasters.

Ugh, you're such a pretty face, but a dead brain.. Look, that's what I basically said about cars. They pull on the road, and of course the road doesn't move, so they get traction, and it pulls them forwards. Car goes in reverse, wheels go other way, traction the other way, then they go that way. It's basically impossible to get you off the God and Satan thing about how they send you ideas, so well, this is my last post. I figured it'd be better off to just intermingle with my own religion than to try to convert people of another religion who don't have a firm grasp of reality & science.

PS; I won't see any reply you make to this comment, so it's probably not worth replying. Also, I'm in moderation, so what is in this comment may be changed from it's original text.

[Moogitar (On Moderation)]

Re: Hello.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

And now they're saying god wrote the bible again... Well, it's been even further proven to me how illogical the bible is, but fine, continue wasting your life believing in this religion that would get this world nowhere. You'd all be living like Amish people if it were not for science.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello.

Sister, this is the problem, they understand science about as well as they understand Christianity (which isn't a heck of a lot). I'd be shocked to find out if either of the two has ever cracked a book in their lives.

I'm going to bring a couple of things forward, since neither had the decency to answer me.

1. Scientific proof

Lets look at your little theory here scientifically, shall we?

Hypothesis: God does not exist
Create a way to disprove your hypothesis: uh.....
Test: Oops
Modify hypothesis according to your results: Well since you failed.

Now lets look at my side
Hypothesis: God does exist
Create a way to disprove your hypothesis: Create life, create a universe, prove that 10,000 coincidences "just happened"
Test: Yep, nobody been able to create life or a universe, also 10,000 from a 774,746 book is a pretty big coincidence.
Modify hypothesis according to your results: My hypothesis stands, God is the only way that these things could happen.

Well, come on. I gave you my proof of God's existence, I want to see you use the scientific method to disprove God. Since you're so smart and logical I want to see this.

2. Scientific Theories are Truth.

You keep going on and on about how scientific theories are true because you say they are. I gave you a list of debunked theories and scientific laws. Please explain how if the scientists are always right, that they could be so wrong on this.

What about the planet Vulcan?
Spontaneous generation?
The expanding earth?
Phlogiston theory?
Ether?
Martian canals?
Blank slate theory?
Phrenology?
Einsteins static universe?
Cold fusion?
Bucky balls?
Newtons law of Motion?
Pluto?
The periodic table of elements?

All of these have "respected scientists" who say they're wrong.

Sister BIG. If only they would listen and learn.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello.

Cars propel themselves by pulling the ground with wheels which gives them their speed. Which you can say is additional speed. The world is spinning at a certain speed, everything inside the atmosphere is moving with it, so you'd be moving the same speed as the earth, which means you keep up with it, and you're in the standing in the same spot. Cars on the other hand, they pull on road, giving them extra speed. God can't be proven real, and it's science that has developed medicine and technology. If God did give us the knowledge at the start, we wouldn't have spent all those years in wooden houses without electricity without medicine, and all the other technology. We would have had all this a lot earlier than we do now. Humans found things out for themselves, either by chance, or by investigating, and we held on to everything we've ever discovered, used the trial and error method, and got to where we are today. If God had given us all the knowledge that he apparently did, this world would not see so many human error disasters, because we would be knowledgeable of the possible errors that could incur, and prevent them.

Cars don't pull themselves on the road. They move because their driving wheels propel them. If what you said was true, cars would only be able to move in on direction.

What makes you think God would have given us all knowledge from the start. Have you heard of the saying, "I just had an idea pop into my head and it worked" that is God sending you a message on how to do something. Have you ever done something at it worked, even though you know nothing about it. Sometimes Satan gives idea's also, thats why there are disasters.

[Can I justify that]

Re: Hello.

*sigh* I had to go back a ways. I see that our little friend hasn't picked up any kind of a book yet.


So what exactly is this "reality" you speak of? If everything scientists say is based in reality, then how did they get so much so wrong?

Again, they're only human. Humans are not perfect. You are not perfect. Neither am I.

o I have a theory that God is real, therefore, since it's a "theory" I am right.

Yes, that's correct. As long as the theory makes sense, and is logical, and is not backed up by something UNPROVED, like the Bible. Check out the thread "The Bible is not really the word of God."

10,000+ coincidences from one book? Now who's being blind?

Name to me 10. 10 that really happened, 10 that you're most amazed with. The only reason people believe the Bible is because of the coincidences. So yes, that's probably right. The Bible was written over a long period of time and by 40+ people, was it not? Easily made coincidences.

You have no idea. I actually have a BSc. what's your education? I have acknowledged your "theories" (which are not what scientists say). You're just being stubborn, you haven't proven anything, I doubt you have even done well in one science class. All you are doing is spewing out half understood garbage that you've read on the Internet.

Of course they're not what scientists say. It's rooted off of theories. Like theories are supposed to work. I have gotten very high grades in science, but my science classes were not governed by some stupid belief of God creating it. That's all. And no, what I'm "spewing" is my theories, good ones at that, and nothing from the Internet. All of this is original content.

Well if we're all acting our age around here, I'm going to guess you're 12? You challenged me to answer a question, and I did. You didn't.

No, I am not 12. And yes, I am over 15. My age really is not important. An age is an age, though some of you are acting quite immature. And yes, I did. You dis-acknowledged it.

So you're right because you "know" you're right. Damn whatever the science books say. Lots of people agree that Sasquatch exists, that they have been abducted by aliens, that the holocaust never happened, and that 9/11 was an inside job. I guess they're all right as well.

I know I'm right because all the theories I've come up with and science to back me up is just so blatant that I am correct. You also believe this, you're right because God exists. So in that logic, God exists because he does. That makes much more sense.

So you have proof that God doesn't exist. Amazing. Now why don't you contact Dawkins (who has admitted he's only 98% sure God doesn't exist) and let him know. I'm sure he'll be amazed by your proof.

I honestly don't care about Dawkins.

Lets look at your little theory here scientifically, shall we?

Hypothesis: God does not exist
Create a way to disprove your hypothesis: uh.....
Test: Oops
Modify hypothesis according to your results: Well since you failed.

Now lets look at my side
Hypothesis: God does exist
Create a way to disprove your hypothesis: Create life, create a universe, prove that 10,000 coincidences "just happened"
Test: Yep, nobody been able to create life or a universe, also 10,000 from a 774,746 book is a pretty big coincidence.
Modify hypothesis according to your results: My hypothesis stands, God is the only way that these things could happen.

Life: Molecules/DNA mixed.
Universe: Something to do with the Big Bang.
Until some of those coincidences are named, they are coincidences and just that. I bet you I could prove each and every one coincidence.
P.S. Life is created every day. You have no proof it's God who creates it.

I did not "crumble like a six month old cookie," I displayed my theories and you simply ignored them because they were theories.

You haven't displayed any theories, all you've done is come on here say "God does't exist so nyahhh

I have displayed MANY theories. You just don't have the brain mass to actually understand what and where they are, you're just ignoring everything because you don't know how to fight what I'm saying. It's pathetic, really.

We believe what the Bible says, planets were put in the sky for the telling of seasons as per Genesis.

Of course they were. LOL...
What an effective way to tell the seasons.
Planets orbit the sun. They do not stay the same every single season.

Oh yes, mature use of smilies to mock our religion. Again, I would be surprised to find out your over 15.

>mature
I was doing it immaturely, to mock your immaturity. So in a way, you just proved to yourself that you are immature.
>your
Hum. Amazing grammar.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello.

Cars propel themselves by pulling the ground with wheels which gives them their speed. Which you can say is additional speed. The world is spinning at a certain speed, everything inside the atmosphere is moving with it, so you'd be moving the same speed as the earth, which means you keep up with it, and you're in the standing in the same spot. Cars on the other hand, they pull on road, giving them extra speed. God can't be proven real, and it's science that has developed medicine and technology. If God did give us the knowledge at the start, we wouldn't have spent all those years in wooden houses without electricity without medicine, and all the other technology. We would have had all this a lot earlier than we do now. Humans found things out for themselves, either by chance, or by investigating, and we held on to everything we've ever discovered, used the trial and error method, and got to where we are today. If God had given us all the knowledge that he apparently did, this world would not see so many human error disasters, because we would be knowledgeable of the possible errors that could incur, and prevent them.

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

[Moogitar (On Moderation)]

Re: Hello.

Speed does not cancel itself out. If it did, then when 2 cars crash head on they would not crumble together.



How can you claim your theories as being right, if you make new theories so say they are wrong.

Christian science has saved many lives with development of technology and medications. If it was not for God, then these people would not have been able to create them. God gave the knowledge, just like he did with Noah to build the ark.

Cars propel themselves by pulling the ground with wheels which gives them their speed. Which you can say is additional speed. The world is spinning at a certain speed, everything inside the atmosphere is moving with it, so you'd be moving the same speed as the earth, which means you keep up with it, and you're in the standing in the same spot. Cars on the other hand, they pull on road, giving them extra speed. God can't be proven real, and it's science that has developed medicine and technology. If God did give us the knowledge at the start, we wouldn't have spent all those years in wooden houses without electricity without medicine, and all the other technology. We would have had all this a lot earlier than we do now. Humans found things out for themselves, either by chance, or by investigating, and we held on to everything we've ever discovered, used the trial and error method, and got to where we are today. If God had given us all the knowledge that he apparently did, this world would not see so many human error disasters, because we would be knowledgeable of the possible errors that could incur, and prevent them.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hello.

Sorry to disappoint you, but your atheist science is wrong. How many times has atheist science changed its theory about something. Yet Christian science has remained the same and is always correct.

As for your comment on the ride. Have you ever been on it. When you are spun around, you are squashed against the wall. If the earth was spinning you would be thrown off.

Sister, this is the problem, they understand science about as well as they understand Christianity (which isn't a heck of a lot). I'd be shocked to find out if either of the two has ever cracked a book in their lives.

I'm going to bring a couple of things forward, since neither had the decency to answer me.

1. Scientific proof

Lets look at your little theory here scientifically, shall we?

Hypothesis: God does not exist
Create a way to disprove your hypothesis: uh.....
Test: Oops
Modify hypothesis according to your results: Well since you failed.

Now lets look at my side
Hypothesis: God does exist
Create a way to disprove your hypothesis: Create life, create a universe, prove that 10,000 coincidences "just happened"
Test: Yep, nobody been able to create life or a universe, also 10,000 from a 774,746 book is a pretty big coincidence.
Modify hypothesis according to your results: My hypothesis stands, God is the only way that these things could happen.

Well, come on. I gave you my proof of God's existence, I want to see you use the scientific method to disprove God. Since you're so smart and logical I want to see this.

2. Scientific Theories are Truth.

You keep going on and on about how scientific theories are true because you say they are. I gave you a list of debunked theories and scientific laws. Please explain how if the scientists are always right, that they could be so wrong on this.

What about the planet Vulcan?
Spontaneous generation?
The expanding earth?
Phlogiston theory?
Ether?
Martian canals?
Blank slate theory?
Phrenology?
Einsteins static universe?
Cold fusion?
Bucky balls?
Newtons law of Motion?
Pluto?
The periodic table of elements?

All of these have "respected scientists" who say they're wrong.

[Lisa H]

Re: Hello.

Everything within the earth's atmosphere moves with it, which means you're going the same speed as the earth is spinning, therefore, the speed cancels out, and that's why when you jump, you don't go flying hundreds of feet in the opposite direction the earth is spinning. If Christian theory was developed so many years ago, and it can't be proven right, and hasn't adapted to new information, I'm going to say it's wrong. Science theories do change. Theory is made, but can't be proven wrong nor right, new technology emerges, allows that theory to be proven wrong or right, then the theory changes accordingly. The science has been PROVED right. To be honest, Christians should be grateful for the medicine developed by science. It must've saved you, or somebody you know numerous times before. Science has made new technology to make life no longer a matter of survival, but a luxury.

Speed does not cancel itself out. If it did, then when 2 cars crash head on they would not crumble together.



How can you claim your theories as being right, if you make new theories so say they are wrong.

Christian science has saved many lives with development of technology and medications. If it was not for God, then these people would not have been able to create them. God gave the knowledge, just like he did with Noah to build the ark.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Hello.

Yes, you can see the air. See pictures of liquefied oxygen. Carbon. And in some temperatures you can see the carbon dioxide expel from your mouth. And with infrared goggles, you can see the warmth from the sun, yes. And you can ALSO see electricity. Maybe not flowing through water or metal, but you see lightning and static electricity, right? You can also measure volts.

So basically I just proved you wrong. Nice going.

Liquefied oxygen isn't air, now is it. A diamond isn't air (it's pure carbon). What you see when you exhale is actually moisture, that's why it frosts up on a mans mustache. So who was wrong?

Oh and about the sun, according to your scientists the sun is hot, space is cold, yet sunbeams are warm. Want to explain how it goes from 15 million degrees Celsius to 3 degrees Kelvin then back up to 20 degrees Celsius again?

No, you can't see that God created everything. I can create static electricity right now, with a balloon or a fuzzy blanket.

Really, you made the electricity yourself? It didn't have anything to do with the two objects being rubbed together. You just willed the electricity into existence, wow aren't you special.

Now when you can will a lightning storm into existence, call me.

He most certainly did not. Just because it's there, you have no proof God had anything to do with it. No, you cannot see his word. Sure, you can read and see the Bible, but again, that's just like a book like any other. No, Asphyxia, Moogitar and I can see that you are wrong and we are right.

So because two Internet trolls agree with you, that makes you right. Here's a test for you. Think up the craziest theory you can, any theory, and I will find two people who agree with it. Of course that automatically means its true right?

Oh, BTW, I don't know how many True Christians(TM) there are on this board, but I know that there's a lot more than 3, so doesn't that make us right? After all there's more of us agreeing than there are of you. Almost 50% of Americans believe in the Biblical creation story, how many believe we came from a big ball of stuff that just exploded?