[Jo Freddie]

Re: HELLO

Lucius, Paul and Jason were all jews. Tertius was a gentile(and roman), whereby removing him from being able to be kinsman with/of JEWS.


kinsman [ˈkɪnzmən]
n pl -men
1. a blood relation or a relation by marriage
2. a member of the same race, tribe, or ethnic stock

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

While Tertius may be a gentile/Roman name, are you not just making the assumption that he is not of Jewish stock? Can provide a quote from your special book to clarify this point.

The Romans were not adverse to marrying the people from the lands they occupied, so even if his father had been a Roman there is nothing to preclude the possibility that his Mother was of Hebrew origin thus making Tertius Jewish in the eyes of the Hebrews.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

Firstly: Neither Roddy's post, nor the article he linked to address the points I have been making.
Secondly: Am I not always being told that the bible is perfect and there is no need to look outside it to understand its meaning?

Now are you going to explain your basis for believing that Lucius(LUKE), Jason, PAUL's and Tertius's could not ALL have been kinsmen?

Lucius, Paul and Jason were all jews. Tertius was a gentile(and roman), whereby removing him from being able to be kinsman with/of JEWS.


kinsman [ˈkɪnzmən]
n pl -men
1. a blood relation or a relation by marriage
2. a member of the same race, tribe, or ethnic stock

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: HELLO

Ignoring Rev Rodimers post I see Sheepman!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

Firstly: Neither Roddy's post, nor the article he linked to address the points I have been making.
Secondly: Am I not always being told that the bible is perfect and there is no need to look outside it to understand its meaning?

Now are you going to explain your basis for believing that Lucius(LUKE), Jason, PAUL's and Tertius's could not ALL have been kinsmen?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

Ignoring Rev Rodimers post I see Sheepman!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: HELLO

You are twisting it by taking 2 verses out of context from an entire BOOK, just as other God Mocking fools take a verse or two from a WHOLE book and claim it is a complete read of the WHOLE.

Again, are you claiming that the Bible is not the word of God(His intellectual property) because His word had multiple scribes?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

Ms DeWittO lets us look at one statement you made in an attempt to show I was mistaken:

Lucius(LUKE) and Jason were PAUL's kinsmen, not Tertius's.

There is NOTHING in the bible to support this, unless you would care to show me a quote from your special book that clarifies the situation. Now I am not claiming that Lucius(LUKE) and Jason were not PAUL's kinsmen, just that that is nothing to show that Tertius was not also one of their kinsmen.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

It being Paul's workfellow does not exclude him from being Tertius's, in fact it tends to confirm it.
As you stated that "Lucius(LUKE) and Jason were PAUL's kinsmen, not Tertius's." It is highly relevant. How do you know they were not Tertius's kinsmen?
I am twisting NOTHING, I am reading your special book literally as instructed to by you and your fellow "true christians"

You are twisting it by taking 2 verses out of context from an entire BOOK, just as other God Mocking fools take a verse or two from a WHOLE book and claim it is a complete read of the WHOLE.

Again, are you claiming that the Bible is not the word of God(His intellectual property) because His word had multiple scribes?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: HELLO

Timothy had his own Church preaching the Gospel. Tertius did not, hence being Paul's workfellow rather than Tertius's.

It being Paul's workfellow does not exclude him from being Tertius's, in fact it tends to confirm it.

Where Tertius is from, is irrelevant.

As you stated that "Lucius(LUKE) and Jason were PAUL's kinsmen, not Tertius's." It is highly relevant. How do you know they were not Tertius's kinsmen?

You ARE twisting scripture to make it sound like the PA's writing down of another's thoughts is the actual intellectual property of the PA. It is not, no matter how much you want to try to convince people to the contrary.

I am twisting NOTHING, I am reading your special book literally as instructed to by you and your fellow "true christians"

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

Was not Timotheus a scribe also a scribe for Paul thus a workfellow of Tertius?
And just where was Tertius from? where does it tell you that in the bible?
still waiting for you to quote the biblical reference to validate that claim Ms DeWittO

I have not pointed out ANY contradictions, I have not twisted anything, all I have done is quote what your special book actually says.

Read the entire book of Romans.

Here is a good start:

Romans 1:1

Romans 1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Now continue on through to the end of ROMANS.

Timothy had his own Church preaching the Gospel. Tertius did not, hence being Paul's workfellow rather than Tertius's.

read up pasta boy

Where Tertius is from, is irrelevant.

You ARE twisting scripture to make it sound like the PA's writing down of another's thoughts is the actual intellectual property of the PA. It is not, no matter how much you want to try to convince people to the contrary.

Next you will be trying to say that the Bible is not the word of God because it had human scribes.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: HELLO

Here ya are, Pastard:

http://bible.org/article/introduction-book-romans

I. AUTHOR: The Apostle Paul
A. Externally 1 and internally 2 the evidence has been
overwhelming in critical scholarship in favor of
Pauline authorship of this letter. 3 Once Pauline
authorship is accepted for works like Galatians, and
the Corinthian letters, than a work like Romans may
also be ascribed Pauline since the topics are so
similar, and there are no substantial difficulties 4
B. Although some have denied Pauline authorship (e.g.,
Evanson, Bauer, Loman, Stek), it is no longer disputed 5
C. Some consider Tertius to have composed Romans in
accordance with Paul's instruction (Romans 16:22),
however it is more probable that Tertius was Paul's
secretary who either wrote the letter in long-hand from
Paul's dictation, or who first took Paul's letter in
shorthand and then wrote it out in long hand with
Paul's final approval 6

And the footnotes:

1 The Apostolic Fathers held to Pauline authorship: 1
Clement 32.2 (cf. Rom. 9:4f); 35.5 (cf. Rom. 1:29-32); 50.6f (cf.
Rom. 4:7-9); Ignatius, Eph 19:3 (cf. Rom. 6:4); Magn. 6:2 (cf.
Rom. 6:17); 9.1 (cf. Rom. 6:6); Trall. 9:2 (cf. Rom. 8:11);
Smyrn. 1.1 (cf. Rom. 1:3f); Polycarp 3.3 (cf. Rom. 13:8-10); 4:1
(cf. Rom. 6:13 and 12:12); 6.2 (cf. Rom. 14:19 and 12); 10.1 (cf.
Rom 12:10)
Every early list of NT books includes Romans among Paul's
letters.
2 Internally, the linguistic, stylistic, literary,
historical, and theological evidence all support Pauline
authorship.
3 C. E. B. Cranfield, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary
on The Epistle to the Romans, 1:1-2.
4 See Harrison who writes, "From the postapostolic church to
the present, with almost no exception, the Epistle has been
credited to Paul. If the claim of the apostle to have written
the Galatian and Corinthian letters is accepted, there is no
reasonable basis for denying that he wrote Romans, since it
echoes much of what is in the earlier writings, yet not
slavishly" (Romans, EBC, pp. 3-4).
5 Cranfield, Romans, pp. 1-2.
6 Cranfield offers a lengthy discussion in Romans 1:2-4.

No serious Biblical scholar disputes the authorship of Romans. But a Pastard Butt-Pirate does.

O NOES! My faith is crumbling!

[Jo Freddie]

Re: HELLO

Timotheus (aka Timothy) was Paul's workfellow, NOT Tertius's

Was not Timotheus a scribe also a scribe for Paul thus a workfellow of Tertius?

Lucius(LUKE) and Jason were PAUL's kinsmen, not Tertius's.

And just where was Tertius from? where does it tell you that in the bible?

This is further proof that although Tertius did his job and wrote the letter down as a SCRIBE, it was Paul's intellectual property he was delivering.

still waiting for you to quote the biblical reference to validate that claim Ms DeWittO

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forums.

Reason: Twisting Scripture to make it sound internally contradictory

I have not pointed out ANY contradictions, I have not twisted anything, all I have done is quote what your special book actually says.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

I am not makeing the claim in this case Tertius is, he clearly states that he wrote Romans 16.
He does not even mention Paul in the salutation:
Now Paul could have told Tertius to send a bunch of people to the Romans, but nothing it the text even points at this. YOU are the one making a claim about the text not I, I just point out what the text actually says.

As for derailing the thread I mealy respond to claims that you make, claims that so far you have been unable to substantiate.

Do not your fellow "true christians" request that if a person feels that someone is in error in regard to scripture from your special book they should speak up?

Timotheus (aka Timothy) was Paul's workfellow, NOT Tertius's and Lucius(LUKE) and Jason were PAUL's kinsmen, not Tertius's. This is further proof that although Tertius did his job and wrote the letter down as a SCRIBE, it was Paul's intellectual property he was delivering.

Seriously, just how stupid are you Pasta boy?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: HELLO

So, you are making claims that the Epistles of Paul, are not his own work?

I am not makeing the claim in this case Tertius is, he clearly states that he wrote Romans 16.
He does not even mention Paul in the salutation:

21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.
22 I Tertius, who wrote [this] epistle, salute you in the Lord.

YOU are the one claiming it to be Tertius' intellectual property despite conceding that Tertius was nothing more than Paul's scribe.

Now Paul could have told Tertius to send a bunch of people to the Romans, but nothing it the text even points at this. YOU are the one making a claim about the text not I, I just point out what the text actually says.

As for derailing the thread I mealy respond to claims that you make, claims that so far you have been unable to substantiate.

Do not your fellow "true christians" request that if a person feels that someone is in error in regard to scripture from your special book they should speak up?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

Hey did I title this 'hey unbelieving scum come try to prove your peckers aren't tiny'? No? I didn't? Could have fooled me.

Mr JimBob

I am so sorry that the gimpy pasta loving sheep troll has hijacked your thread.


He tends to do it a lot.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: HELLO

So let me get this straight, to get Romans 16 to mean what you say it means you can not just take what the bible says, you have to read it along side some other historical & theological references? It is very clear that you can't get it to mean what you claim it means as an independent text.

That is not stated in the text. You are the one claiming that the letter is the intellectual property of someone else other then who it appears to be.

All that is in that text is a letter of introduction for a group of people sent from Cenchrea to Rome, the said letter was carried by Phebes, written by Tertius with no indication of under whose instruction these actions were undertaken. Tertius only refers to himself in the first person and makes no reference to Paul.

So, you are making claims that the Epistles of Paul, are not his own work?

YOU are the one claiming it to be Tertius' intellectual property despite conceding that Tertius was nothing more than Paul's scribe.

You are playing the game of boring semantics again.

As I stated to you before, I suggest you read ALL of Romans and the fact that the letter/s scribed by Tertius is/are in fact the intellectual property of PAUL.

You cherry pick scripture just like you cherry pick cherry tomatoes for one of your tainted ragouts.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

PS. As usual too, you have managed to derail yet ANOTHER thread.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: HELLO

ok I think I fixed my capslock, sorry, my son must have spilled one of his sticky drinks on it.

You shouldn't masturbate close to your keyboard. Actually, you shouldn't even masturbate at all!