[Raimund]

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Ohhh Freddie, be careful, when Muslims start using the word Infidel, it means that there will be an imminant attack, they always say that right before George Bush slams comercial airliners into buildings.

[Jo Freddie]

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Ohhh Freddie, be careful, when Muslims start using the word Infidel, it means that there will be an imminant attack, they always say that right before George Bush slams comercial airliners into buildings.

Well going by the many comments made in this place about the safety of my person, maybe my work here have the result in the unification of two of the Abrahamic cults into one. After-all many in Landlubber Baptwist wish they could do much of what the Islamic already states do. Does this not sum up one view of the Koran?

This is what Christianity would be like if we actually had some piffleing balls.

It says here that if I want I can put a dog collar around Jennifer Aniston's neck and then make her get down on all fours and eat raw chicken wings from a bowl. Okay, that's not an exact translation but gist-wise it's not far off.

[Imam Rashik]

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Even the pasta-heathen thinks you are full of it Rafiki. Why don't you repent and serve Jesus?

Lycia I have already warned you of making friends of enemies of Allah (pbuh). They only desire for you to became an unbeliever. This Shaitan Infidel only wants you to believe in his false beliefs.

SURA 60
1. O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.
2. If they find you, they will be your enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Lycia I have already warned you of making friends of enemies of Allah (pbuh). They only desire for you to became an unbeliever. This Shaitan Infidel only wants you to believe in his false beliefs.

Jo Freddie will be left wanting then.

But I'm also curious to learn why the Quran apparently only commands women to cover their breasts. Does your religion imply that women should dress like harlots instead of wearing modest Christian apparel?

Please enlighten me "imam".

[Imam Rashik]

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I am not the one that stated

YOU are!

The comment was not made to you Shaitan.

[Imam Rashik]

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Jo Freddie will be left wanting then.

But I'm also curious to learn why the Quran apparently only commands women to cover their breasts. Does your religion imply that women should dress like harlots instead of wearing modest Christian apparel?

Please enlighten me "imam".

Lycia, do not be deceived by the words of the Shaitan Jo. Women must dress accordingly.

Here are some Quran readings for you.

SURA 33
59. O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SURA 24
31. And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need [of women], or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.


Simply put, a Muslim women will cover herself when not around male family members. They may also be requirements under Sharia law on what is permitted and what is not permitted.

[Jo Freddie]

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The comment was not made to you Shaitan.

You made a public statement, and now you realise you can not back it up.

[Imam Rashik]

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You made a public statement, and now you realise you can not back it up.

Infidel you are blind and did not read the comment above yours. You will most likely try and be a jinn and say the comment was not made for you.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello

Lycia, do not be deceived by the words of the Shaitan Jo. Women must dress accordingly.

Here are some Quran readings for you.

SURA 33
59. O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SURA 24
31. And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need [of women], or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.


Simply put, a Muslim women will cover herself when not around male family members. They may also be requirements under Sharia law on what is permitted and what is not permitted.

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and God is well acquainted with all that they do.

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their zeenah (charms, or beauty and ornaments) except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their khimar (veils) over their bosoms and not display their zeenah except to their husbands, their fathers .... and that they should not strike their feet so as to draw attention to their hidden zeenah (ornaments). (24:31-32)

O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should draw over themselves their jilbab (outer garments) (when in public); this will be more conducive to their being recognized (as decent women) and not harassed. But God is indeed oft-forgiving, most merciful. (33:59)

And know that women advanced in years, who no longer feel any sexual desire incur no sin if they discard their thiyab (outer garments), provided they do not aim at a showy display of their zeenah (charms or beauty). But it is better for them to abstain (from this); and God is all-hearing, all-knowing. (24:60)

These are the only verses which address the issue of clothing so specifically. Clearly, the basic principle is that of modesty. The first verse emphasizes the importance of one guarding her or his modesty, lowering one’s gaze in order to remain pure. This means that, in order for women and men to have respectful relationships (such as at work or school, etc.) they must focus on modesty in their behavior. This is enhanced by dressing in a way that reinforces one’s image as a modest person. It must be emphasized that behavior and appearance are both important in setting the tone of respectful interaction between men and women.

In addition, the second verse shows that the purpose of covering oneself is to "be recognized (as decent women) and not harassed." Many women who cover their hair and dress modestly do notice that men are more respectful and people are more inquisitive about their faith, so they are "recognized" not just as decent women but also as Muslims. Occasionally, women who cover their hair may also experience harassment and discrimination because of stereotyping and misunderstandings about Islam and women.

Interestingly, the Qur’an is really not that explicit about the exact definition of modest dress. By reading the Qur’anic verses above, women are advised to cover their breasts and put on their outer garments in a way that enables them to avoid harassment. In addition, women are advised not to draw attention to their "beauty" (zeenah). This term has been translated as both beauty and ornaments (as women used to strike their feet to draw attention to hidden ornaments such as ankle bracelets). Of note is that the Qur’an uses the term zeenah elsewhere, perhaps showing that in different contexts the word has slightly different meanings:

O Children of Adam! Wear your beautiful apparel (zeenah) at every time and place of prayer…(7:31)

The exact rules defining women’s dress have been determined based on interpretation of these verses and incorporation of concepts established in hadith. The inclusion of a head covering is derived from interpretation of the word khimar in 24:31 above. Most translators and commentators agree that this was a loose scarf worn at the time of the Prophet which covered a woman’s head, neck and possibly shoulders, leaving the rest exposed. Women were thus ordered to use the khimar to cover their breasts. Naturally, a woman would continue to cover her neck, head and shoulders and would then also cover her breast. This understanding of the khimar as a head-covering explains why Muslims believe that the Qur’an tells us to cover our hair. The injunction, however, regarding covering the hair in addition to everything else is implied, not specified in the Qur’an.

[Jo Freddie]

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Infidel you are blind and did not read the comment above yours.

As I was typing up my comment as you posted yours, no I did not see it as it was not there when I started (work called on my attentions so I took a long time to finish my post), not being Omniscient myself I did not see you post until I had posted mine, and not having editing privileges I could not correct my post.

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

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I'm with the pastafarian on this Rashid. You keep evading the 'breasts issue'.

Don't basque in smug evasion. You'll be more respected by the brathren if you actually address the points.

[Imam Rashik]

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I'm with the pastafarian on this Rashid. You keep evading the 'breasts issue'.

Don't basque in smug evasion. You'll be more respected by the brathren if you actually address the points.

You have also failed to read the comment I made to Lycia. Is this because you are wanting to join the Infidel in his false belief. Even the Infidel acknowledge my post.

I will remind you of what I also posted to Lycia about making friends with enemies of Allah (pbuh).

Lycia I have already warned you of making friends of enemies of Allah (pbuh). They only desire for you to became an unbeliever. This Shaitan Infidel only wants you to believe in his false beliefs.

SURA 60
1. O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.
2. If they find you, they will be your enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello

You have also failed to read the comment I made to Lycia. Is this because you are wanting to join the Infidel in his false belief. Even the Infidel acknowledge my post.

I will remind you of what I also posted to Lycia about making friends with enemies of Allah (pbuh).

And you failed to read my reply

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

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And you failed to read my reply

He's evading the 'breast issue'; or he's forgotten. Good at remembering what he wants, a short mammary for other issues it seems to me.

[Imam Rashik]

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He's evading the 'breast issue'; or he's forgotten. Good at remembering what he wants, a short mammary for other issues it seems to me.

You are beginning to show your true alliance. Making friends with the Infidel unbeliever of Allah (pbub). You are becoming like the infidel and talking of lustful things.

Go and read your Holy Book on how you are breaking your covenant with Allah (pbuh)