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  • John Marston
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    • Nov 2010
    • 37

    #1

    Hello All!

    I originally stumbled upon this site, and I have to say I find just about all of your views to be very very closed minded and harsh.
    However, I AM NOT HERE TO TROLL (intentionally argue with you, for those of you who do not understand internet jargon), I just have one simple question that I want to ask.

    Don't any of you think that you are being a little bit too harsh? From what I've seen you are all very quick to condemn any view that isn't completely synonymous with yours.

    Isn't religion supposed to be about opening other's eyes to the truth and helping them achieve salvation? Not instantly condemning them to the fires of hell the instant they disagree with you? Does that not kinda contradict the "love your enemies" rule?

    And to the admin: If you delete this then that says a whoooooole lot more about who you are as a person that if you had simply replied and explained your views.
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  • Rev. M. Rodimer
    Honorary True Christian™
    Forum Member
    • May 2008
    • 13996

    #2
    Re: Hello All!

    Originally posted by John Marston View Post
    Don't any of you think that you are being a little bit too harsh? From what I've seen you are all very quick to condemn any view that isn't completely synonymous with yours.
    No. Our views are not relevant; God's are. We condemn any view that isn't consistent with God's as explained in the Bible.

    Failure to conform to God's Law leads to eternal damnation. Do you think telling people how to avoid that is "harsh"?

    Think God's Word is "harsh"? Take it up with Him.

    Isn't religion supposed to be about opening other's eyes to the truth and helping them achieve salvation? Not instantly condemning them to the fires of hell the instant they disagree with you? Does that not kinda contradict the "love your enemies" rule?
    We don't condemn anybody to Hell. That's God's job. We tell them what God says in His Word . . . which, typically, is that He will condemn them to an eternity of torture in the Lake of Fire.

    We do not consider those who do not believe in Him to be our "enemies". We want to help them understand the path they are on, so they can get off it.

    If we hated them, we would simply let them go on their merry way.

    And to the admin: If you delete this then that says a whoooooole lot more about who you are as a person that if you had simply replied and explained your views.
    And to you: If you bothered to read any part of this forum -- maybe using the handy SEARCH function -- you'd see your same multiple questions (that's several times more than the one you said you would ask) answered quite literally hundreds of times.

    Bible boring? Nonsense!
    Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
    You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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    • Pastor Ezekiel
      Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
       
      • Sep 2006
      • 78556

      #3
      Re: Hello All!

      Originally posted by John Marston View Post
      I originally stumbled upon this site, and I have to say I find just about all of your views to be very very closed minded and harsh.
      However, I AM NOT HERE TO TROLL (intentionally argue with you, for those of you who do not understand internet jargon), I just have one simple question that I want to ask.

      Don't any of you think that you are being a little bit too harsh? From what I've seen you are all very quick to condemn any view that isn't completely synonymous with yours.

      Isn't religion supposed to be about opening other's eyes to the truth and helping them achieve salvation? Not instantly condemning them to the fires of hell the instant they disagree with you? Does that not kinda contradict the "love your enemies" rule?
      We love you, Mr. Enemy, by sharing the Love of Jesus with you. It's not our fault if you spit in His loving face, is it?


      Originally posted by John Marston View Post
      And to the admin: If you delete this then that says a whoooooole lot more about who you are as a person that if you had simply replied and explained your views.
      And what does your behavior say about you, waltzing in to a Christian forum, unsaved, uninvited, and unwelcome, spewing hatred and criticism about how we practice our religion, which you clearly know nothing about?

      Now why don't you at least mimic a polite person of good Christian background and properly introduce yourself? Why do you hate Jesus? What false church did your father take you to? What happened to turn your heart cold and hateful?

      We'd like to help you.
      Who Will Jesus Damn?

      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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      • Able's Avenger!
        Confirmed Enemy of God
        • Oct 2010
        • 56

        #4
        Re: Hello All!

        Where does the Bible say anything about loving enemies? Jesus was a peaceful God, but God the Father in the old testament was not.

        Read up on the BAN. The Israelites killed everyone of the Canaanites when they took their land back. Avoiding temptation and being righteous were more important than being merciful to the corrupt hell-bound heathens, who probably couldn't have been saved anyway.

        They just would've made a golden calf or introduced temple prostitutes and gods of harvest.

        Anyway I am new here too. I'm tired of having to bite my tongue every day and nod like a cheshire cat when people talk about evolution, gay rights and *shudder* WOMEN's RIGHTS. Talk about an oxymormon that last one. Pfft, and to think Hillary Clinton was almost president. That would've been worse than 9/11!

        There's nothing wrong with being righteous and convicted. Haven't you ever heard of the children's crusade? We used to be such a righteous religion that we even sent kids to fight the Moslem Horde! :palladin:

        If it weren't for hippie liberals that probably existed, in hiding, even back then, we would've been rid of the towel-head problem a long time ago.


        that we're starting to wake up on our Moslem, Black President for what he is, and for what we righteous knew all along! How can a Moslem protect us from Moslems?

        We have to protect the righteous from the corrupt that have dominated this country. Are Moslems and Jews tolerant. Turn your back and they'll turn into cockroaches and steal your money or do something bad with a plane or one the subway!



        This isn't just about saving souls, this is about protecting God's chosen here on Earth from the hordes of heathens. Amen.

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        • Pastor Ezekiel
          Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
           
          • Sep 2006
          • 78556

          #5
          Re: Hello All!

          Originally posted by Able's Avenger! View Post
          Where does the Bible say anything about loving enemies? Jesus was a peaceful God, but God the Father in the old testament was not.
          "Jesus was a peaceful God"

          That's not true. God hates the sin AND the sinner, and Jesus is God (John 10:30 I and my Father are one.).

          Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

          Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
          Please read the WHOLE Bible before it's too late.

          Before you complain about the the fact that the verses I cited were from the Old Testament, as if that somehow makes them worthless, consider this:

          In the Old Testament, it says that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5).

          In the New Testament, what does Jesus say that he is going to do to these workers of iniquity? Is he going to love them? Is he going to be their pal, and tell them that it's ok to be themselves? Let's see...

          Matt 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
          I pray that you have found this enlightening.
          Who Will Jesus Damn?

          Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

          Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

          Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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          • John Marston
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            • Nov 2010
            • 37

            #6
            Re: Hello All!

            Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
            No. Our views are not relevant; God's are. We condemn any view that isn't consistent with God's as explained in the Bible.
            Okay thank you, that at least answers one of my questions.

            Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
            And to you: If you bothered to read any part of this forum -- maybe using the handy SEARCH function -- you'd see your same multiple questions (that's several times more than the one you said you would ask) answered quite literally hundreds of times.

            I was a little bit confused as to what I should put in the search, since "why does every opinion expressed here seem to be incredibly different from my own" yielded approximately 0 helpful answers.

            Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post

            And what does your behavior say about you, waltzing in to a Christian forum, unsaved, uninvited, and unwelcome, spewing hatred and criticism about how we practice our religion, which you clearly know nothing about?
            Why do you assume I know nothing about this religion? While I may not know exactly the core beliefs and values held by this particular religion, I still have studied a great deal of Christianity.

            I was born and raised a Roman Catholic and have received the sacraments of baptism, reconciliation, holy communion, and confirmation (although I don't know which ones you also hold to be sacred). I attended Catholic, private schools from kindergarten to my sophomore year of high school.

            I also fail to see how in my one post I somehow managed to show that I hate Jesus AND that my heart is cold and hateful.
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            • Levi Jones
              Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
              Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
              Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
               
              • Jul 2009
              • 13930

              #7
              Re: Hello All!

              Originally posted by John Marston View Post
              Isn't religion supposed to be about opening other's eyes to the truth and helping them achieve salvation? Not instantly condemning them to the fires of hell the instant they disagree with you? Does that not kinda contradict the "love your enemies" rule?
              We do love our enemies enough to want to actually save them. Why else would this site exist?

              We get hundreds of hateful people here every day trying to mock God's Word. What does the Bible say once people have rejected It? Are we supposed to tolerate their sin? No.

              Jesus says we are to shake the dust from our feet of them as we walk away.

              Matthew 10:14-15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
              Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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              • landoverlover
                Also loves Jesus and America
                True Christian™
                • Jul 2010
                • 828

                #8
                Re: Hello All!

                Originally posted by John Marston View Post
                Okay thank you, that at least answers one of my questions.



                I was a little bit confused as to what I should put in the search, since "why does every opinion expressed here seem to be incredibly different from my own" yielded approximately 0 helpful answers.



                Why do you assume I know nothing about this religion? While I may not know exactly the core beliefs and values held by this particular religion, I still have studied a great deal of Christianity.

                I was born and raised a Roman Catholic and have received the sacraments of baptism, reconciliation, holy communion, and confirmation (although I don't know which ones you also hold to be sacred). I attended Catholic, private schools from kindergarten to my sophomore year of high school.

                I also fail to see how in my one post I somehow managed to show that I hate Jesus AND that my heart is cold and hateful.
                Well, friend, you are a mackerel-snapping Papist. That means you do not know the core beliefs of this, THE ONLY religion God recognizes. Catholics are going to hell, so the more you know about their pagan practices the worse off you are. By now you are nearly beyond hope with all the apostate 'schooling' indoctrination you've had.

                Your beef isn't with us or how our Godly Pastors label you. Throw off the yoke of the Beast of Rome and ask our Heavenly Father to cleanse you. Our Pastors are standing by to arrange a full-immersion Baptism, not that spritz of 'holy' tap water some dog-collared chi-mo drizzled on your noggin when you were too young to know any better.
                Leviticus 13:44 He is a leprous man, he is UNCLEAN: the priest shall pronounce him utterly UNCLEAN; his plague is in his head.

                2 Kings 6:25 And there was a great famine in Samaria: and, behold, they besieged it, until an ass's head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and the fourth part of a cab of dove's dung for five pieces of silver.



                King James Bible v1611

                Good Enough For JESUS....Good Enough For Me !!

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                • John Marston
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 37

                  #9
                  Re: Hello All!

                  Just so you know, I walked away from the Catholic Church some years ago, and to some degree I do agree with you as to the pagan practices that were adopted by Catholicism.

                  However, I now consider myself to be agnostic, which isn't going to go over any better with any of you I'm guessing.

                  And you claim this to be THE ONLY religion that God recognizes, what is your source for this claim?
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                  • Rev. M. Rodimer
                    Honorary True Christian™
                    Forum Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 13996

                    #10
                    Re: Hello All!

                    Originally posted by John Marston View Post
                    Why do you assume I know nothing about this religion?
                    Your questions make it clear you know nothing of Christianity, and have never read the Bible.

                    While I may not know exactly the core beliefs and values held by this particular religion, I still have studied a great deal of Christianity.
                    No, you have studied Paganism with Jesus' name plastered onto it, and Mary plastered over Semiramis, the "Queen of Heaven".

                    You have not read the Bible, which is the sole foundational document for Christianity.

                    I was born and raised a Roman Catholic and have received the sacraments of baptism, reconciliation, holy communion, and confirmation (although I don't know which ones you also hold to be sacred).
                    None.

                    Infant baptism is heresy, as baptism is for believers. I don't know or care what "reconciliation" is. Your "communion" is ritualized cannibalism in which you believe that crackers and wine turn into the FLESH AND BLOOD OF GOD in your tummy, after your magic-man priest calls God into them!

                    I attended Catholic, private schools from kindergarten to my sophomore year of high school.
                    It's a shame you were indoctrinated into the Catholic cult for so long. Are you ready to read the Bible and find out who Jesus is, why you shouldn't pray to His dead mother, and why there are no such things as "saints" to whom you should light candles?

                    By the way, are you even a good Catholic? The Pope tells you that homosexuality, fornication, and abortion are grievous sins, and that people committing them or supporting those who commit them should be forbidden communion. He says that condoms and all other forms of birth control should not be permitted. Do you agree?
                    Bible boring? Nonsense!
                    Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                    You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                    • John Marston
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 37

                      #11
                      Re: Hello All!

                      Rev. M. Rodimer, did you even see my previous post? I WALKED AWAY FROM THAT RELIGION!!! I did not believe that stuff any more than you do.
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                      • Levi Jones
                        Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                        Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                        Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                         
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 13930

                        #12
                        Re: Hello All!

                        Originally posted by John Marston View Post
                        And you claim this to be THE ONLY religion that God recognizes, what is your source for this claim?
                        We are merely Christians, friend. Anyone who is willing to follow the entire Bible will get to Heaven.
                        Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                        • James Hutchins
                          True Christian™
                          Just a Regular Nice Guy
                           
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 29453

                          #13
                          Re: Hello All!

                          Originally posted by John Marston View Post
                          ........................
                          Why do you assume I know nothing about this religion? While I may not know exactly the core beliefs and values held by this particular religion, I still have studied a great deal of Christianity.

                          I was born and raised a Roman Catholic and have received the sacraments of baptism, reconciliation, holy communion, and confirmation (although I don't know which ones you also hold to be sacred). I attended Catholic, private schools from kindergarten to my sophomore year of high school.
                          ............
                          Catlicks are not Christians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                          Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                          Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                          Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                          Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                          Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                          • John Marston
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 37

                            #14
                            Re: Hello All!

                            Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
                            Catlicks are not Christians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            WRONG! Not all Christians are Catholic, but all Catholics are Christian! Catholicism is one of the 4 branches of Christianity, along with Protestants, Eastern Christianity, and Nontrinitarianism.

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                            • James Hutchins
                              True Christian™
                              Just a Regular Nice Guy
                               
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 29453

                              #15
                              Re: Hello All!

                              Originally posted by John Marston View Post
                              WRONG! Not all Christians are Catholic, but all Catholics are Christian! Catholicism is one of the 4 branches of Christianity, along with Protestants, Eastern Christianity, and Nontrinitarianism.
                              Read up, bucko and stop your blasphemy.
                              Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians
                              Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                              Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                              Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                              Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                              Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                              Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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