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  • Levi Jones
    Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
    Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
    Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
     
    • Jul 2009
    • 13930

    #16
    Re: Hi!

    Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
    I believe you mean Allah swt. Allah (which is also al-lah) means "The God" in arabic. Muslims believe and follow God, and muslims believe that prophet jesus (pbuh) is the messiah. We believe just as Christians believe, except that Jesus isn't god, but a prophet.

    And we don't follow John, because we don't believe that Jesus IS god. But he is a very important figure.
    One thing I have always been confused about is whether it is okay to drink alcohol or not.

    And of the fruits of the date-palm, and grapes, whence ye derive strong drink and (also) good nourishment. Lo! therein is indeed a portent for people who have sense.

    or

    Strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin.
    Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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    • Benjahmin
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Re: Hi!

      "The God" is pertaining to God. God as in the universal, one true being higher than all. God in that there is no other gods. There isn't A God, there's only THE God. That's what Islam follows. Give me any real evidence that I believe anything other than God and I'll leave Islam. That's how much faith I have in my religion.

      What do you mean by bomb vest? I don't understand the joke.

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      • James Hutchins
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        • Jun 2009
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        #18
        Re: Hi!

        Tell me, what is allas first name?

        We will get to the other stuff later, lets stay focused.
        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
        Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
        Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
        Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
        Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
        Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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        • Billy Bob Jenkins
          Family Man of the Year 2010-2013
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          Hates anal sex. And trees.
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          • May 2010
          • 8337

          #19
          Re: Hi!

          Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
          "The God" is pertaining to God. God as in the universal, one true being higher than all. God in that there is no other gods. There isn't A God, there's only THE God. That's what Islam follows. Give me any real evidence that I believe anything other than God and I'll leave Islam. That's how much faith I have in my religion.

          What do you mean by bomb vest? I don't understand the joke.
          You are not a true believer if evidence would turn you away from your faith. A True Christian(tm) will stay with Jesus no matter where the evidence points. That's one reason why you should turn away from Islam and come to Jesus, because we are True Believers(tm), and your faith is weaker than ours.
          The Only Real Climate Change Will be Hell!

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          • barton
            True Christian™ Minister to the Godless Savages in Hawaii
            It's a dirty job but someone has to do it.
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            • Oct 2010
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            #20
            Re: Hi!

            Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
            No no no! I love jesus more than ever now that i'm muslim! In Islam, jesus is one of the most important prophets in the faith! His teachings are greatly appreciated and followed in the Qur'an.
            This is typical Islamo-babble. If Jesus is so important to Islam, why do you ignore what he said? Why are you not Christian?

            The answer of course is that you do not really believe what you say, anyway. Your depraved religion is built upon maniacal intolerance. What could anyone expect of a religion started by such a drug-addled, illiterate false prophet like your Moohammud?

            You're still young and there's always hope that God's Grace will fall upon you. Until or unless that happens, you are just one heartbeat away from eternal damnation. Have fun writhing in agony in Hell then, appreciating Jesus' teachings.
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            "And said to the mountains and rocks,
            Fall on us, and hide us from the face
            of him that sitteth on the throne,
            and from the wrath of the Lamb"

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            • Benjahmin
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              • Nov 2010
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              #21
              Re: Hi!

              Originally posted by Titus Templeton View Post
              But you face East and pray to Mekka, right? If the Earth was round then the Prayers would go into space.
              Not necessarily. Not everybody prays east. For example, in California, you pray North-Northeast as that's the closest direction toward Mecca. And it's a much more latitude-longitude function, if you understand what i mean.


              Also, to answer Levi Jones' question, it is prohibited to drink alchohol for its deluding effects.

              To answer James Hutchin's question, Allah swt doesn't have a first name like that of humans, Allah has multiple names, depending on who calls to him. For example, jews call him two different names and Muslims have 99 names for him (more-or-less, they're more descriptions of him such as "Al-Rahman", which means "The Merciful"). However, everybody, regardless of their faith be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or anything, can come to the conclusion that his name is God.

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              • Levi Jones
                Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                 
                • Jul 2009
                • 13930

                #22
                Re: Hi!

                Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
                "The God" is pertaining to God. God as in the universal, one true being higher than all. God in that there is no other gods. There isn't A God, there's only THE God. That's what Islam follows. Give me any real evidence that I believe anything other than God and I'll leave Islam. That's how much faith I have in my religion.
                The Old Testament acknowledges the existence of other Gods. Start with the ten commandments.

                Exodus 20:5-6 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
                And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
                Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                • Levi Jones
                  Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                  Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                  Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                   
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 13930

                  #23
                  Re: Hi!

                  Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post

                  Also, to answer Levi Jones' question, it is prohibited to drink alchohol for its deluding effects.

                  Even though in one verse it says that it is good nourishment...

                  What is the muslim stance on Paul's epistles?

                  1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
                  Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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                  • Billy Bob Jenkins
                    Family Man of the Year 2010-2013
                    About as Straight and Manly as you can get
                    Hates anal sex. And trees.
                    True Christian™
                    • May 2010
                    • 8337

                    #24
                    Re: Hi!

                    Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
                    Not necessarily. Not everybody prays east. For example, in California, you pray North-Northeast as that's the closest direction toward Mecca. And it's a much more latitude-longitude function, if you understand what i mean.
                    What if you are at the precise opposite side of the globe (not that there is any such thing). What direction do you face then, since you Muslims believe the Earth is round?

                    Also, to answer Levi Jones' question, it is prohibited to drink alchohol for its deluding effects.
                    Does that include Old Milwaukee?
                    The Only Real Climate Change Will be Hell!

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                    • Benjahmin
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                      #25
                      Re: Hi!

                      @Billy Bob Jenkins: I agree with you, and yet, I have proof that my faith is correctly directed in Islam. I have more than faith, I have evidence.

                      @barton: We don't ignore what Prophet Jesus says, if anything, we follow exactly as he says. We follow his teachings exactly as he preached them, not as others have. Islam believes in jesus, not john or matthew or paul.

                      @Levi Jones:
                      That quote is irrelevent, please explain your conclusion to this believe.

                      Also, the quote you speak of, could you please give me the surah:ayah number? If you don't have those or you don't wish to give them, then I don't find that true. And as for the bible, the generally belief is that the bible is correct in SOME places, but is otherwise altered by others not guided by god. Therefore, I believe that that specific quotation is false created.

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                      • Levi Jones
                        Pastor of Hermeneutics and Apologetics
                        Bathed in Christ's Precious Blood
                        Apostle to the Cactuses, Tumbleweeds and Jackrabbits
                         
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 13930

                        #26
                        Re: Hi!

                        Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post

                        @barton: We don't ignore what Prophet Jesus says, if anything, we follow exactly as he says. We follow his teachings exactly as he preached them, not as others have. Islam believes in jesus, not john or matthew or paul.
                        That has to be difficult to only believe in Jesus considering He didn't write anything in His own hand. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all collected sayings. They are the very same books Muhammad used to decide that Jesus was a prophet.

                        Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
                        @Levi Jones:
                        That quote is irrelevent, please explain your conclusion to this believe.
                        How is it irrelevant? God says many times that there are other gods he doesn't want His people serving.

                        Deuteronomy 28
                        14And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
                        64And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

                        You should read the entire thing about how badly God hates it when you worship other gods and how badly He will mess you up for doing it.


                        Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
                        Also, the quote you speak of, could you please give me the surah:ayah number? If you don't have those or you don't wish to give them, then I don't find that true.

                        Certainly
                        . It's there in multiple translations.

                        Originally posted by Benjahmin View Post
                        And as for the bible, the generally belief is that the bible is correct in SOME places, but is otherwise altered by others not guided by god. Therefore, I believe that that specific quotation is false created.
                        How nice it must be to pick and choose all the while claiming to believe in Jesus.
                        Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.

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