[Objective One]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

That isn't backward, it's merely vertical. Are you seriously accusing us of being anti-American ?

Hey dumb ass, whether it's vertical or horizontal, the blue still goes in the top-left corner. Way to not know basic flag etiquette.

For all those that don't believe me, "When the flag is displayed in a manner other than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out. When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left."

Oh, what's that. You want a source to back it up? Fine then. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

[Objective One]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Why would we care what you think? You are a fence sitting, bed wetting agnostic.

Way to be mature, resorting to name calling. Sticks and stones buddy, sticks and stones.

You typed a whole lot of tl:dr to tell us the obvious. [/QUOTE]

Really? It's exactly as Teach Me said, you wouldn't have paid attention anyway.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

What proof do you have that God doesn't exist?

Now you're just trying to start an argument. Do you even what an agnostic is? Here's a hint, it's not a synonym for atheist.

[Levi Jones]

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As a side note, why is your symbol for being "Real American" have a backwards hanging flag?

That isn't backward, it's merely vertical. Are you seriously accusing us of being anti-American ?

[Levi Jones]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Seeing as how you're the first to reply, and your reply to his message was the first instance that is was altered, I can assume that you're the one who altered it. First of all, this does concern me because he is my friend, and asked a very legitimate question. I'll go ahead and say that it is pointless to argue over whether or not God exists because it will never be proven either way without concrete evidence. That is why I am agnostic. All religions are faith based. This is what he was trying to get through to you, that there is no way to prove it, that you must BELIEVE. However, all but a select few of you tripped over it like wire because you were so caught up in your beliefs.

Why would we care what you think? You are a fence sitting, bed wetting agnostic.

You typed a whole lot of tl:dr to tell us the obvious.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

What proof do you have that God doesn't exist?

[Objective One]

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As a side note, why is your symbol for being "Real American" have a backwards hanging flag?

Also, for your True Christian Caucasian award, it definitely looks like a KKK hood. So much for being anti racist. PROTIP: Jesus wasn't white, he was middle-eastern.

[Objective One]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

As a side note, why is your symbol for being "Real American" have a backwards hanging flag?

[Levi Jones]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

I know I'm not a Christian, but that still does not mean I don't know what being one means, or takes. Yes, I called the Bible contradictory earlier. What does that have to do with anything?

Obviously, I believe what I believe, and it will take GOD himself to change my beliefs. I will stop the arguing here and actually discuss these things with you. So let's stop the attacks on each other now, and do your duties.

I have no interest in attacking you. I simply cannot understand how you can simultaneously mock our faith so callously; while at the same time holding us to beliefs you do not share. It's as if you get to call timeout by hiding behind Jesus' skirts when we rebuke you.

It doesn't work that way.

[Objective One]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

And who are you? This is the introduction forum, not the "bitch and whine about things that don't concern you" forum.

Start your own introduction thread, please.

Seeing as how you're the first to reply, and your reply to his message was the first instance that is was altered, I can assume that you're the one who altered it. First of all, this does concern me because he is my friend, and asked a very legitimate question. I'll go ahead and say that it is pointless to argue over whether or not God exists because it will never be proven either way without concrete evidence. That is why I am agnostic. All religions are faith based. This is what he was trying to get through to you, that there is no way to prove it, that you must BELIEVE. However, all but a select few of you tripped over it like wire because you were so caught up in your beliefs.

Then, when you missed the point altogether and he implicitly pointed it out, you all still missed it again and started dancing around the topic by criticizing his grammar. While it does give some indication of intelligence, also means that he could be lazy and just not care about it.

On the topic of grammar, if you weren't so caught up on you misconceptions that those who don't believe in God are complete idiots who will not amount to anything, you'll notice that his sentence structure and word choice clearly indicate that he is of at least the same intelligence with you all.

Anyway, back to my point. The reason I am here is not to try and refute your beliefs. You are all free to believe what you want, just like he is free to believe what he wants and so am I. What I am here for is to tell you that, while he was merely posing a logical question to one of life's great mysteries, you all couldn't accept the fact that he would not accept your answers because they aren't based fact. THEY ARE BASED ON BELIEF. Logically, you can't explain an experience that is purely relative to the person. It would be like trying to describe the color blue to a person born blind(try disproving that one.) And while he was trying to get you to see that, you were caught up in your preconception that he must be a dumb ass because he's atheist. Therefore, you all acted like an ass toward him first. What would your god think of that. Shouldn't you have been more patient with him? And of course he got defensive and it basically turned into an argument. It's because he didn't appreciate being treated like some plagued pile of shit. That is why he said none of you were approaching this with an open mind. If you were, you would have noticed all that he said and accepted that you can't make him believe something that can't be proven. You wouldn't have immediately lost patience and resorted to demeaning him in front of your lord's all seeing and all knowing eyes.

Speaking of social etiquette, in your loving god's loving eyes, do you think it is appropriate to call all those that have not been reborn or do not recognize God as their savior, Unclean/Unsaved Trash? Wouldn't your god wish for you to welcome all who come in with respect? If someone who does believe or wants to believe in God came here to make an account and join you, don't you think that it's counterproductive to call them Trash right off the bat?

In conclusion, I am here to show you that, for being Christians who have accepted the undying love of your god, you sure have a hard time showing that love to others, especially to those that don't share the same beliefs as you.

[Teach me]

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Didn't you call the Bible contradictory earlier in this thread?

What do you care? You aren't even a Christian, much less a real one. Show me how we are "manipulating" what the Bible says.

I know I'm not a Christian, but that still does not mean I don't know what being one means, or takes. Yes, I called the Bible contradictory earlier. What does that have to do with anything?

Obviously, I believe what I believe, and it will take GOD himself to change my beliefs. I will stop the arguing here and actually discuss these things with you. So let's stop the attacks on each other now, and do your duties.

[Levi Jones]

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You disgrace Christianity because you state you are "True" Christians. You manipulate what is says in the Bible to justify your crazy beliefs. I gave a description out of the Bible explaining what being a Christian means, and a true Chirstian, not the self-proclaimed shit you try to pull. By the way, GOD won't torture me, Satan will take pleasure in doing so (that's if you are correct.). Either way, I don't care what happens to me in the end. I will deal with it when that time comes, but I know I will not be living my life out of fear.

Didn't you call the Bible contradictory earlier in this thread?

What do you care? You aren't even a Christian, much less a real one. Show me how we are "manipulating" what the Bible says.

[Teach me]

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So scripture doesn't mean what it says, it means what an atheist thinks it says. Why would we believe someone who hasn't even read the book?

I've read enough of the book and learned enough from being an active member church throught my many years as a child growing up. I know how to look at something without an unbiased opinion. I'm not asking you to believe me, but simply asking for you to realize how ignorant some of you are being. I read that scripture completely unbiased, but that is merely my opinion.

I've seen no contradiction in this church. Only people who hate God and the Bible see any contradiction.

Well, that's the first reasonable statement you have made so far. Of course none of you will see any contradiction there. You're not looking for it and have a biased opinion. I don't hate GOD or the Bible, as I've stated multiple times here. I hate no one, until I get to know them as an individual to pass judgement upon them. This whole ideal of passing judgement upon races because of their skin is just mind blowing. Racism is one of the most ignorant acts you can comit. Personally, judging a person because of their skin, is just plain and simple ignorant. Every scripture you have posted about judging others has agreed with me as well on that. You generalized that all black people are sinners, but how are you to know this if you judge them before you know them? What if you greeted them with respect, then expressed your beliefs like a normal respectable adult? You would have a much higher chance of converting them over, but instead you greet them with ignorance of racism, and hatred. Which, GOD clearly states in the Bible is not just.

2nd Peter 1:20

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

See, I keep hearing about these plagues and such, but I've never seen any evidence EVER. If there's something negative that happens to a person, then it MUST be GOD smiting them, right? You have taken so many things out of context in the Bible it's unbelieveable. You continually state facts that have nothing to do with what I have asked time and again.

Well you can't be gay and saved, that's just impossible. As for race, please back up your comment as racism is not acceptable on this board. That being said, spics are all die-hard catholics so are hell bound and most Negro's don't want to give up their sinning in order to become True Christian, that's not racism, that's fact.

What about if you were gay, then became straight? I understand that racism is not allowed on this board and that's just mind blowing. I've already covered this, though. Also, that's not a fact.. That's generalizing and being ignorant.

[Teach me]

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So, what you are saying is, you know less about religion than we Christians.

Christianity IS the largest religion in the world.

Alright, I made a mistake? It's not that hard to admit. I didn't know that Chrianity is the largest religion in the world. That does not make me know less about the religion itself.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with knowing facts about false religions. You do not know what Ramadan is because you apply science. You know because you consider Islamofascism "just another religion" and look at different religions to help you justify abandoning God.

I justified my reasoning for leaving GOD, not because of other "false" religions.

What does quantum physics have to do with how people did on a quiz about false religions?

Have you ever heard of the paragraph break? Try adding some so we know when you leave off one subject and begin another.

Yes, I've heard of a paragraph break, but I didn't feel like putting the time towards being "neat" about this. I'm sorry that it's too hard for you to read something and are too lazy to make sense of it.

You just said quantum physics can "prove" it. With hypotheses that haven't even become theories, much less laws, yet.

Throwing out a big word doesn't mean you know what you're talking about, kid.

I stated that quantum physiscs proves that something can come from nothing. I never stated that it proved anything, but that. Go ahead and insult me by calling me a "kid", but you're acting just as childish as myself.

Actually, as I've pointed out before, you have attacked and insulted us from your first post, calling us names and claiming we are stupid for not agreeing with your closed-minded disbelief. You are not open-minded at all.

Actually, I just asked a question because over the years I've never been given substantial proof. I hoped that a forum of this magnitude and understand of the Christian religion could, in fact inform me of my answer that I seeked. If you look back I was called a heathen and insulted first. yes, I may have instigated the argument, but my opinion on the matter was called for, and I gave it. I was not in anyway trying to start a discussion, or hate on you. Just asked a simple question, for an answer. Also, if you would look back I never called any of you stupid, but ignorant. There is a complete difference in the two words. I don't really recall any of you truly "harsh" names, but being ignorant. I never claimed that you were ignorant for not believing in what I do, but simply that you are close-minded views makes you ignorant.

No you haven't. Saying it isn't proving it. Where is your proof?

To show that you know what you're talking about. Especially since you just said that you "proved" something, but posted no evidence.

I posted evidence plenty of times. I'm guessing the ice age didn't happen (10,000 years ago), they're lying about the world's oldest tree being 9,550 years old, lying about moutains being eroded because GOD felt it was "artsy", but I guess you don't believe in mud slides either? One of your "smitings" of GOD, but it cannot be true because then erosion would have to exist also, then it would contradict your idea of mountains being "artsy". I'm sure you will ask for proof that the tree is 9,550 years old, so I posted a link to wikipedia explaining carbon dating. Also, I gave the counter-argument that you cannot prove to me that your Bible is as old, as you claim. I have proven the illogic behind the Bible being GOD's word.

You asked for an example of God smiting a city, I gave you one. Quit raising the bar or changing the question.

Yes, I asked you for GOD smiting a city, but all you gave me was natural disasters. Would you care to compare how He destroyed cities in the Old Testament, compared to how He does it today (based off of what you say)? There is a huge difference in these two. There has never been a record of any GOD like smiting, like in the Old Testament ever.

You haven't given any hard facts. I've asked you for them, as has everyone else here.

I've given you plenty of hard facts. I've explained how science proves the Earth is not 6,000 years old within a few sentences. I've proved how the Bible is written by man, and not by GOD. I've proved that you're nothing more than hypocritical extremeists hiding behind the word of your Lord to justify your beliefs.
Either way, you're a jackass.

You are an uninvited and unwelcome guest, who joined a Christian church's forum to attack and insult Christians.

Tell me, why don't you go down to your Mommy and Daddy's church and insult the people there? Is it because you're a pathetic little coward who only has the testicular fortitude to speak up when you THINK you are anonymous and when you THINK nobody is tracking your IP address?

I understand that I'm uninvited and unwelcome, but I simply came for an answer, not to attack you. You brought the attack on me first, and I simply defended myself. I don't know why you keep insulting my parents? You have no room to talk with the way you raise your children. My mother is diagnosed with M.S. and cannot attend church. My father does not go to church or ever went to my knowledge. I've never insulted a person based on their religious belief, but for their ignorance. My testicals have nothing to do with my demeanor? I've asked this question plenty of times to other TRUE Christians (not this self-proclaimed lie) and we had an intelligent conversation about it. They, however did not answer my question. That is why I came here to seek answers. I'm not trying to hide behind the fact that I'm "anonymous", nor care if you track my IP address. I don't know what good it will serve you to use it, though. I have not made any threats, or done anything in the wrong, but simply discussed this with you. Yes, I stated I would give anyone the beating they deserve for hitting a woman that didn't deserve it. I don't know how you feel just in beating your own wife, but I'd really not discuss that, so don't reply to that part.

That doesn't even make sense. I can't answer a question that doesn't make sense.

It makes complete sense if you think about it. I can try to elaborate more, if you'd like?

You thought wrong. Christians are commanded to judge with righteous judgment.

Based off of what your scripts say, then you are in command to judge against those that are evil, and are not of the will of GOD. Meaning, myself, and any other non-believer. however, this does not justify the amount of racism you have shown throughout these forums. We are all hypocrites, sinners, and you are not better than I am in that sense. You may only lie to yourself and supress your throughts, but deep down you know I'm right, you know that the only reason you believe what you do is because you were beaten to believe it, and at the very sight of reasoning/argument you become defensive at the very thought of being wrong and wasted so much of your life. Please, explain to me how you are blessed with His glory while you are alive. What exactly has GOD done to bless you? Once again, this can be simply explained by the placebo effect, and mere happenstance. If something bad happens, then it was the devil, but as soon as something good happens, then it HAS to be GOD.

That's nice, Internet Tough Guy.

Alright?

By following the Bible as God wrote it, we disgrace Christianity? That makes no sense at all.

And we provide the warning of the consequences of their actions.

No human can decide who will or will not be cast into Hell by God. However, it's not difficult to see that you will, since you are an unbeliever, and listed specifically in the Bible as one whom God will torture for all eternity in His Lake of Fire.

You disgrace Christianity because you state you are "True" Christians. You manipulate what is says in the Bible to justify your crazy beliefs. I gave a description out of the Bible explaining what being a Christian means, and a true Chirstian, not the self-proclaimed shit you try to pull. By the way, GOD won't torture me, Satan will take pleasure in doing so (that's if you are correct.). Either way, I don't care what happens to me in the end. I will deal with it when that time comes, but I know I will not be living my life out of fear.

[BelieverInGod]

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Especially when the original one says, "Would you care to clarify your reasoning? I know everyone has opinions, they also have their own answers. Why has no one addressed the points that I have made, but I've addressed every single one of yours? It's alright to admit that you're wrong."

Demons tend to make people very irrational. Quite often they melt into complete gibberish.

[Objective One]

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Wow, whoever modified this post, way to be mature about things.

Especially when the original one says, "Would you care to clarify your reasoning? I know everyone has opinions, they also have their own answers. Why has no one addressed the points that I have made, but I've addressed every single one of yours? It's alright to admit that you're wrong."

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I'm here for one reason:

Wow, whoever modified this post, way to be mature about things.

And who are you? This is the introduction forum, not the "bitch and whine about things that don't concern you" forum.

Start your own introduction thread, please.