[cam the papist]

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That's not true. God hates the sin AND the sinner, and Jesus is God (John 10:30 I and my Father are one.).



Please read the WHOLE Bible before it's too late.

Before you complain about the the fact that the verses I cited were from the Old Testament, as if that somehow makes them worthless, consider this:

In the Old Testament, it says that God hates "all workers of iniquity" (Ps 5:5).

In the New Testament, what does Jesus say that he is going to do to these workers of iniquity? Is he going to love them? Is he going to be their pal, and tell them that it's ok to be themselves? Let's see...



I pray that you have found this enlightening.

God must hate us all then, . You know how i know that? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL HUMAN. ALL HUMANS ARE SINNERS, NOT PERFECT ROBOTS. How brainwashed can you be? Man, i really don't know why i waste my time with you brainwashed people. The only way to convert people in to believing and worshiping God is through LOVE, not hate and telling them that they are damned for eternity because they have sinned.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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God must hate us all then, . You know how i know that? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL HUMAN. ALL HUMANS ARE SINNERS, NOT PERFECT ROBOTS. How brainwashed can you be? Man, i really don't know why i waste my time with you brainwashed people. The only way to convert people in to believing and worshiping God is through LOVE, not hate and telling them that they are damned for eternity because they have sinned.

Where does the Bible say that God hates everyone? What a crazy cult you papists have!

Friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says). My sins have been washed away in Christ's blood. Glory!

[cam the papist]

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Where does the Bible say that God hates everyone? What a crazy cult you papists have!

Friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says). My sins have been washed away in Christ's blood. Glory!

Im not saying he truely hates everyone, im saying with your logic he does.

So, since you say that jesus hates the sin and the sinner, does that mean that he hates every prostitute and criminal out there because of their sins?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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So, since you say that jesus hates the sin and the sinner, does that mean that he hates every prostitute and criminal out there because of their sins?

See, if you were a Christian you would know this: Without SINCERE REPENTANCE there can be no Salvation. Read THIS and repent.

You don't even have the respect to properly capitalize the name of Jesus.

[cam the papist]

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See, if you were a Christian you would know this: Without SINCERE REPENTANCE there can be no Salvation. Read THIS and repent.

You don't even have the respect to properly capitalize the name of Jesus.

Oh, im sorry, im human, i make mistakes. Guess im going to hell for not capitalizing His name.

Anyways, you never said anything about repentance before. I agree that anyone who doesnt repent will not be saved. I am a true christian, so i know that. But before you made it seem like anyone who sins is damned, and no ifs ands or buts.

But even people who dont repent, God still pursues them, and tries leading them in the right direction because of his infinite love. Isnt that beautiful?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Anyways, as i said before. We do not worship Mary, we RESPECT her. She was Jesus' mother! Should we just forget about her? NO! We dont bow to her, and if we do it is:
1) Not required in our religion. We do it because we just want to.
2) If we bow to her picture it is A sign of respect, not worship. As with any picture of the saints or Mary.

So when you pray to her and call her your "mediatrix", and ask her to do favors for you like some genie in a bottle, that's not worshiping her? When you call her "Queen of Heaven", that's not worshiping her?

Queen of heaven, rejoice. Alleluia. The Son whom you were privileged to bear, Alleluia, has risen as he said, Alleluia. Pray to God for us, Alleluia. Rejoice and be glad, Virgin Mary, Alleluia. For the Lord has truly risen, Alleluia.

O God, it was by the Resurrection of your Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, that you brought joy to the world. Grant that through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, his Mother, we may attain the joy of eternal life. Through Christ, our Lord. Amen.

And what's with the "Virgin" obsession? She had other children; Jesus had brothers. Women who have multiple children are NOT virgins.

And you know what, ive told you about 3 times before. We don't worship Mary. I don't know if you can understand that, but its true. And its impossible to be white and have blue eyes, because Jesus wasn't from Britian. He was from the middle east. Nobody from Bethlehem had blonde hair and blue eyes. The reason why the bible said his hair was white and all that is because what they are saying is using that to simbolize he was pure, and radiant.

Jesus is God. He can take whatever form He chooses. How dare you suggest it is impossible for Jesus not to have looked like a swarthy Palestinian!

I suggest you Google "historical description of Jesus".

No, ive heard it other places too. This is really the only thing i could find that is written. I knew if i told you that i heard this in different places you would act like a little girl and say im lying.

No, we'd say what we said, which is you did no research and are relying upon hearsay.

By the way, the schlock you quoted from the Catholic League is a sick attempt to defend the Catholic Cult's coddling of perverts -- child molesters -- by saying, "Oh, Protestant clergy had sex with (adult) parishioners". Since when is consensual sex by a Lutheran with an adult slut in his congregation on a par with a priest raping a boy and giving him AIDS?

Apparently Bill Donohue thinks they're equivalent.

The Catholic League also ignores an important point: The Catholic Cult's massive hierarchy has for decades covered up the sexual abuse by priests, transferring perverts from parish to parish so they could rape other, unsuspecting children. Never turning them in to the police, because that might bring shame on Mother Church.

Head of the Pervert Shuffle for quite some time was your precious Pope Ratzinger.

Protestants, on the other hand, cast their perverts to the courts to handle.

Theres a website called "Catholic.com" and its run by the most popular priests and theologians. You can go on the forum and ask them whatever you want about the catholic faith, non catholics and atheists are welcome to join as well.

Here is a whole list of the apologists who run the website.
Peggy Frye, Fr. Vincent Serpa, Michelle Arnold, Jim Blackburn, Jimmy Akin, Rosalind Moss, Devon Caffran, Leonie Ambrose, Julian Peters, Therese Martin, Michael Francis, Robert Bay, Rachel Malloy, Walt Oliver, Jo Benedict, Catherine Grant, Klara Collins, Jean Anthony, Zelie Louis, Angela Tate, Jill Foster, Anne Carmel, Phil Lenahan, Eric Hilbert, Thomas Casey, Sophia Sproule

A few of them also have made appearances on EWTN, the catholic channel on tv.

We didn't ask a bunch of Catholic theologians. We asked you.

Im not saying he truely hates everyone, im saying with your logic he does.

So, since you say that jesus hates the sin and the sinner, does that mean that he hates every prostitute and criminal out there because of their sins?

If they choose not to repent, He will resurrect them at Judgment, then cast them into eternal torment in His Lake of Fire. Does that sound like LOVE to you?

He could just leave them dead and unknowing. You know, LIKE MARY presently is.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Oh, im sorry, im human, i make mistakes. Guess im going to hell for not capitalizing His name.

No, you're going to hell because you're a filthy bead counting, idol worshiping papist. Just like every other papist dog before you. Jesus and I can't wait!

[cam the papist]

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So when you pray to her and call her your "mediatrix", and ask her to do favors for you like some genie in a bottle, that's not worshiping her? When you call her "Queen of Heaven", that's not worshiping her?

And what's with the "Virgin" obsession? She had other children; Jesus had brothers. Women who have multiple children are NOT virgins.

Jesus is God. He can take whatever form He chooses. How dare you suggest it is impossible for Jesus not to have looked like a swarthy Palestinian!

I suggest you Google "historical description of Jesus".

No, we'd say what we said, which is you did no research and are relying upon hearsay.

By the way, the schlock you quoted from the Catholic League is a sick attempt to defend the Catholic Cult's coddling of perverts -- child molesters -- by saying, "Oh, Protestant clergy had sex with (adult) parishioners". Since when is consensual sex by a Lutheran with an adult slut in his congregation on a par with a priest raping a boy and giving him AIDS?

Apparently Bill Donohue thinks they're equivalent.

The Catholic League also ignores an important point: The Catholic Cult's massive hierarchy has for decades covered up the sexual abuse by priests, transferring perverts from parish to parish so they could rape other, unsuspecting children. Never turning them in to the police, because that might bring shame on Mother Church.

Head of the Pervert Shuffle for quite some time was your precious Pope Ratzinger.

Protestants, on the other hand, cast their perverts to the courts to handle.

We didn't ask a bunch of Catholic theologians. We asked you.

If they choose not to repent, He will resurrect them at Judgment, then cast them into eternal torment in His Lake of Fire. Does that sound like LOVE to you?

He could just leave them dead and unknowing. You know, LIKE MARY presently is.

1. No, praying to mary is not worshiping her. Its asking her to intercede for us and to bring this subject up to Jesus for help. Its like using the mail man to contact a loved one.

2. Heres some stuff on his physical description: http://www.thenazareneway.com/likene...ur_saviour.htm

3. you say the catholic church has covered up people beling molested, yet...you know about them.. Interesting.

4. Believe it or not, ive not based my opinions on hearsay. but on research, i would have been able to prove this but the two links ive posted were deleted from your smart admin. Who knows why..

5. And who cares if you asked me? Wouldnt you want information from somebody who has been in the same situation as you, used every possible arguement to prove the catholic church is wrong and then realise that they arent from all of the information studied and gathered, rather than an average joe like me? Wouldn't an answer be better than no answer?

6. Mary isnt dead, she was consumed in to heaven, Body and soul.

7. You are right that it is dusgusting on how much priests molest and rape, but theres so much more to the catholic church. They have colleges, non profit hospitals, orphanages, etc. Many things that help people in need.

8. No, it doesnt sound like love to me. But Jesus doesnt do that to them, the person themself does it because they have rejected Jesus. Thus going to hell by their own actions.

9. I dont know why you called the pope a pervert, considering he hasn't done anything. So full of hatred.. My my, just like a teenager.

10. There is no evidence in Sacred Scripture or in Sacred Tradition that she had other children. It is quite significant that as Jesus hung on the cross, he gave his mother to the care of the apostle John. If Mary had had other children, there is no doubt that she would have been given to his sibilings care.

[cam the papist]

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[QUOTE=Pastor Ezekiel;727039]No, you're going to hell because you're a filthy bead counting, idol worshiping papist. Just like every other papist dog before you. Jesus and I can't wait!

You know, im starting to think you dont have the brain capacity to comprehend what i say. This is the final time i will say this. We. Do. Not. Participate. In. Idolatry. Okay?

For example, a statue of mary. We pray to a statue of a saint or mary. Why? Because its one of the closest things we have of them on earth.

Imagine this: You have a loved one who recently died. Lets say.. its your wife. your wife recently died from a terrible disease, and you crave to look in to her eyes again and see her face. But shes dead right? A picture would be the only substitute. You may touch, kiss, and look at the picture, because its one of the only tangible momentos you have of her. Thus the reason why we use statues to look at, touch, and pray to. NOT. I repeat. NOT. To worship. This is the last time i will say this.

And you say bead counters? Whats wrong with using a rosary to pray with? Its nice, it keeps us in track, each bead represents a different prayer. I dont see anything wrong with that.

LOL, i just heard on the news that an Ex- youth pastor or minister admitted to molesting a 13 year old girl. No joke. This makes me seem bad, but i really did just see this.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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1. No, praying to mary is not worshiping her. Its asking her to intercede for us and to bring this subject up to Jesus for help. Its like using the mail man to contact a loved one.

Except Mary is dead and unknowing until Judgment, just like everyone else. And Scripture tells us we have but one mediator, and that is Jesus. Not His mother, and not a bunch of Pope-made "saints".

2. Heres some stuff on his physical description: http://www.thenazareneway.com/likene...ur_saviour.htm

And the first description says:

A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick-

Reddish-brown hair, grey eyes. Sounds just like a typical Arab.

3. you say the catholic church has covered up people beling molested, yet...you know about them.. Interesting.

Have you been under a rock the last 10 years? The Cult covered it up for years, and it has been revealed over the last few years as rape victims have been coming forward. Grab your Google and see if you can figure out why the God-mocking atheist Richard Dawkins was trying to have Pope Maledict arrested when he went to the UK a few months back.

4. Believe it or not, ive not based my opinions on hearsay. but on research, i would have been able to prove this but the two links ive posted were deleted from your smart admin. Who knows why..

If you say so.

5. And who cares if you asked me? Wouldnt you want information from somebody who has been in the same situation as you, used every possible arguement to prove the catholic church is wrong and then realise that they arent from all of the information studied and gathered, rather than an average joe like me? Wouldn't an answer be better than no answer?

No. Because our asking a bunch of Catholic "theologians" would not help you understand why you are going to Hell.

6. Mary isnt dead, she was consumed in to heaven, Body and soul.

Please cite the Scripture that supports this assertion.

Consumed?

7. You are right that it is dusgusting on how much priests molest and rape, but theres so much more to the catholic church. They have colleges, non profit hospitals, orphanages, etc. Many things that help people in need.

Yes, colleges where they preach their false doctrine; non-profit hospitals where they allow women to die rather than terminating the pregnancies that are killing them; and orphanages where they rape children. And let us not forget Mother Teresa, who loved suffering so much that she helped people die slowly and in horrible pain instead of giving them cheap painkillers.

8. No, it doesnt sound like love to me. But Jesus doesnt do that to them, the person themself does it because they have rejected Jesus. Thus going to hell by their own actions.

Really? Sinners resurrect themselves, and then jump into Hell?

No. Jesus resurrects the dead. Then He casts them into eternal torment. Because He hates them enough to RESURRECT THEM SO HE CAN TORTURE THEM FOREVER.

9. I dont know why you called the pope a pervert, considering he hasn't done anything. So full of hatred.. My my, just like a teenager.

I didn't call the Pope a pervert. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.

By "hasn't done anything", what exactly do you mean? Didn't rape anyone himself? Or didn't cover up for rapists and enable their future rapes? Because he's been demonstrated guilty of the latter, which makes him an accessory to rape after the fact on at least a few hundred counts.

10. There is no evidence in Sacred Scripture or in Sacred Tradition that she had other children. It is quite significant that as Jesus hung on the cross, he gave his mother to the care of the apostle John. If Mary had had other children, there is no doubt that she would have been given to his sibilings care.

Maybe if you actually READ the Scripture, you would know better than to say such things.

Mark 3:31, Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55, Matthew 27:56. Brothers AND sisters.

Here's some reading for you.

You know, im starting to think you dont have the brain capacity to comprehend what i say. This is the final time i will say this. We. Do. Not. Participate. In. Idolatry. Okay?

For example, a statue of mary. We pray to a statue of a saint or mary. Why? Because its one of the closest things we have of them on earth.

That's pretty much the definition of idolatry.

An idol is a representation of a deity. Say, a statue. Which you pray to in the place of the deity. For example, a crucifix.

That is why Christians have crosses, not crucifixes.

[cam the papist]

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Except Mary is dead and unknowing until Judgment, just like everyone else. And Scripture tells us we have but one mediator, and that is Jesus. Not His mother, and not a bunch of Pope-made "saints".

And the first description says:


Reddish-brown hair, grey eyes. Sounds just like a typical Arab.

Have you been under a rock the last 10 years? The Cult covered it up for years, and it has been revealed over the last few years as rape victims have been coming forward. Grab your Google and see if you can figure out why the God-mocking atheist Richard Dawkins was trying to have Pope Maledict arrested when he went to the UK a few months back.


If you say so.


No. Because our asking a bunch of Catholic "theologians" would not help you understand why you are going to Hell.


Please cite the Scripture that supports this assertion.

Consumed?


Yes, colleges where they preach their false doctrine; non-profit hospitals where they allow women to die rather than terminating the pregnancies that are killing them; and orphanages where they rape children. And let us not forget Mother Teresa, who loved suffering so much that she helped people die slowly and in horrible pain instead of giving them cheap painkillers.


Really? Sinners resurrect themselves, and then jump into Hell?

No. Jesus resurrects the dead. Then He casts them into eternal torment. Because He hates them enough to RESURRECT THEM SO HE CAN TORTURE THEM FOREVER.


I didn't call the Pope a pervert. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.

By "hasn't done anything", what exactly do you mean? Didn't rape anyone himself? Or didn't cover up for rapists and enable their future rapes? Because he's been demonstrated guilty of the latter, which makes him an accessory to rape after the fact on at least a few hundred counts.



Maybe if you actually READ the Scripture, you would know better than to say such things.

Mark 3:31, Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55, Matthew 27:56. Brothers AND sisters.

Here's some reading for you.


That's pretty much the definition of idolatry.

An idol is a representation of a deity. Say, a statue. Which you pray to in the place of the deity. For example, a crucifix.

That is why Christians have crosses, not crucifixes.

1. Reddish brown hair and grey eyes are more understandable than blonde hair and blue eyes like the other guy said.

No, i havent been under a rock for 10 years. you could say not mature enough to understand, since im only 14.

2. for your information, many of these catholic theologians were people like you. People who wanted to shut down the church, and wanted to find ever reason to. Guess what, they hit a dead end. And converted.

3. Sorry, not consumed, Assumed. And there is no scripture as far as i know that shows that she was, but we don't put our beliefs only on what the bible says. You may not like that but thats just how it is.

4. You know that the only women who have pregnancies that kill them are the ones who already are dying from diseases? Aborting their child and terminating the pregnancy would only prolong the enevitable, and kill a child who doesnt deserve to die. And also, in 1964, (i think) the president of planned parenthood said that they technology was great enough to keep any woman alive through pregnancy. If the technology was great enough back then, then it certainly still is. And you know, these women arent forced to go to these hostpitals. But they do anyways, so you cant blame the catholic church for doing something for what they believe in.

As for the schools go, the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday at the cost to that Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars. The graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%.

The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students.


5. No, sinners dont ressurect themselves and jump in to hell. Let me break it down for you.

1. Sinner is born
2. Sinner grows up
3. Sinner rejects God
4. Sinner continues to live a sinfull life
5. Sinner dies.
6. Sinner is judged by God at death.
7. Sinner is thrown in to hell.

If the sinner never rejected God and eccepted him (by his own freedom of choice) he would have gone to heaven. But no, he goes to hell because of the wrong choices he made.

6. Expand on the pope thing, as far as i know he hasnt done anything wrong.

7. The definition of idolatry: the religious worship of idols.

We do not worship them. period. Even if it looks like it.

We have crucifixes, not to worship in idolatry, but to remember his passion and death and sacrifice for us on the cross. To remember when jesus conquered satan and all evil. We don't keep him on the cross, forgetting he rose and went to heaven, but we do honor Jesus sacrifice.

Did i miss anything?

[Didymus Much]

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...7. The definition of idolatry: the religious worship of idols.

We do not worship them. period. Even if it looks like it....

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and tastes like a duck after you kill it, clean it, cook it, and eat it, it was a piffling duck.

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

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Expand on the pope thing, as far as i know he hasnt done anything wrong.

Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

[Pure_Angel]

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Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

That is how the devil must look like... actually he kind of resembles this "smilie":

[Vlad Batty]

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GAHHH!! Vlad hate Catholic. Vlad would rip ears off pope