[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

So what, you throw out a bunch of philosophy 101 questions, then if nobody answers you within the hour you assume that we're stumped?

Zechariah,
You are a true christian, right? Do you claim responsibility for the hatred you have instilled on other people instead of embracing them with open arms like a true christian should.

I think you're confusing righteous judgement and rebuking with hatred there, buddy. We're commanded by the Holy Bible to point out the sinfulness in others.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2

Now why don't you tell us how a True Christian™ should act. Be sure to back your answer with the appropriate scripture. Hint: we don't need to welcome unrepentant sinners with open arms.

Do you understand the contradictions in scriptures in the Bible? How do you explain the problem of evil? Why is God so afraid, so enigmatic? If he is all powerful, don't you think he would do a better job of revealing himself?

Just because you've obviously never read the Bible and have no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean there are contradictions in the Bible. There are NO contradictions in the Bible.

There is no problem of evil. God is responsible for all of the "evil" in the world, and there is nothing in the Bible that suggests that He wouldn't be.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

God is enigmatic because He wants so-called "intellectuals" like yourself to be confused by His glorious message and then to burn in Hell eternally for not accepting Him. He wants you to have FAITH.

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" 1 Corinthians 1:27

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Such a God would do a much better job of gathering believers. Hell too. Eternal damnation for actions committed in a finite existence contradicts God's omnibenevolence and omnipresence.

The belief that God is omnibenevolent is an unscriptural heresy, sunshine!

Answer this, if you can: Could God, since he is all powerful, create a being more powerful than himself?

Yeah, great job repackaging the Paradox of the Stone. I've personally answered that dumb old question too many times to count.

Answer this, if you can: The argument from free will contests the existence of an omniscient god who has free will — or has allotted the same freedom to his creations — by arguing that the two properties are contradictory. According to the argument, if God already knows the future, then humanity is destined to corroborate with his knowledge of the future and not have true free will to deviate from it. Therefore our free will contradicts an omniscient god. Another argument attacks the existence of an omniscient god who has free will directly in arguing that the will of God himself would be bound to follow whatever God foreknows himself doing throughout eternity. Is this not true?

No, it's not true. Once you have enough FAITH you realize that that isn't a contradiction at all!

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

If you read my thread about the Paradox of the Stone you'll realize that God is so powerful He isn't bound by the rules of logic and rationality at all! It's totally within His power to make 2+2=5, make square circles and too simultaneously grant us free-will and predestine us!

Answer this: What created God. Something cannot create itself.

Brother Nobar already pointed out that even the secularists believe things can spontaneously create themselves. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't make it true.

I am disappointed. God hasn't helped you passionate believers. Every time you pray for something, do you see visible help from Him?

Yes. Every time one of my prayers is answered, then it's proof of divine intervention. On the other hand, every time one of my prayers isn't answered, then the only thing that proves is I need to re-evaluate myself and be a better Christian.

Sometimes I wonder how you can be so passionate about something as enigmatic and cowardly as God. How can you?

Why don't you ask the 33% of the world that self-identifies as Christians that question, or maybe the 22% of the world that self-identifies as Muslims.

I believe in the right to freedom of religion, but I will fight you when you violate mine.

Now explain how a privately-owned website violates your freedom to follow a false god.

I never forgive. I never forget. Prepare yourself.

Yeah, like we haven't heard that claptrap before.

I lost interest at BTW because of your lack of intellect. If Wash O'Hanley won't debate, then he is either a coward or a really busy man.

Just because you're being obstinate and impatient does not make us stupid, buttercup!

Wash O'Hanley is a busy man. What's your problem, you can't conceive of being away from the internet for a day or two?

It is interesting. You liken God to a dream. Perceiving and creating at the same time, but you True Christians ™ are so against dreams. Explain your own contradictions.

Just because you dress something up in some pseudo-flowery language doesn't mean you have anything to say. Nobody here likens God to a dream, we all accept His reality totally and literally.

I am assuming direct control.

I'll remind you once again that we are blessed by your persecution.

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:10-12

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

So what, you throw out a bunch of philosophy 101 questions, then if nobody answers you within the hour you assume that we're stumped?



I think you're confusing righteous judgement and rebuking with hatred there, buddy. We're commanded by the Holy Bible to point out the sinfulness in others.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2

Now why don't you tell us how a True Christian™ should act. Be sure to back your answer with the appropriate scripture. Hint: we don't need to welcome unrepentant sinners with open arms.

Just because you've obviously never read the Bible and have no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean there are contradictions in the Bible. There are NO contradictions in the Bible.

There is no problem of evil. God is responsible for all of the "evil" in the world, and there is nothing in the Bible that suggests that He wouldn't be.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

God is enigmatic because He wants so-called "intellectuals" like yourself to be confused by His glorious message and then to burn in Hell eternally for not accepting Him. He wants you to have FAITH.

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" 1 Corinthians 1:27

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

The belief that God is omnibenevolent is an unscriptural heresy, sunshine!



Yeah, great job repackaging the Paradox of the Stone. I've personally answered that dumb old question too many times to count.



No, it's not true. Once you have enough FAITH you realize that that isn't a contradiction at all!

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

If you read my thread about the Paradox of the Stone you'll realize that God is so powerful He isn't bound by the rules of logic and rationality at all! It's totally within His power to make 2+2=5, make square circles and too simultaneously grant us free-will and predestine us!



Brother Nobar already pointed out that even the secularists believe things can spontaneously create themselves. Just because you don't like an answer doesn't make it true.



Yes. Every time one of my prayers is answered, then it's proof of divine intervention. On the other hand, every time one of my prayers isn't answered, then the only thing that proves is I need to re-evaluate myself and be a better Christian.



Why don't you ask the 33% of the world that self-identifies as Christians that question, or maybe the 22% of the world that self-identifies as Muslims.



Now explain how a privately-owned website violates your freedom to follow a false god.



Yeah, like we haven't heard that claptrap before.



Just because you're being obstinate and impatient does not make us stupid, buttercup!

Wash O'Hanley is a busy man. What's your problem, you can't conceive of being away from the internet for a day or two?



Just because you dress something up in some pseudo-flowery language doesn't mean you have anything to say. Nobody here likens God to a dream, we all accept His reality totally and literally.



I'll remind you once again that we are blessed by your persecution.

"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:10-12

It seems, Lycia, that you have . . . difficulties answering my questions.

1) As to my "flower language".
In a dream, we create and perceive simultaneously. So well, in fact, that we don't realize its happening. God is creating the world around us and perceiving or looking at us at the same time. He realizes from his perception that he can change things so he does. Tell me how that is not like a dream.

2) Wash's time
You are not Wash O'Hanley. You do not answer for him.

3) Clap Trap
English language please. We live in the US. Not Europe. If your foreign, then I understand. If not, your just an idiot.

4) False God
Yes because Im soooooo Hindu .
Grow up, questioning those who say they know does not mean I believe in a false God.

5)Muslims vs. Christians
Europe will become predominantly Muslim soon. Muslims have 3.9 children on average. Christianity (keep in mind you are including Catholics which you hate) will eventually have less followers than Islam.

6) Your Prayers
Hmm, divine intervention. Nice. You realize you LBC people jump to conclusions. If something happens that you like, you say it was divine intervention. If something else happens, it was Satan. It is black and white with you people. Too dim witted to realize that some things happen because of chance and other things.

7) Nobar
I respect him. He has a cool name. Has a nice ring. Also your still going to hell.

8) Scripture
Use logic. Reason. Don't an old book tell you what to do. Your scripture has changed nothing. My arguments came from fact, deductive and inductive reasoning. Your arguments came from an old book.

I have logic. Your argument is invalid.
I am assuming direct control.

[MisterM]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

LOT OF TOTAL BS CUT OFF
I have logic. Your argument is invalid.

We have Scriptures. You fail.

YiC,
Brother Miikkael.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

We have Scriptures. You fail.

YiC,
Brother Miikkael.

Who would you trust? A book which is constantly questioned if it is fact or fiction. Or will we confide in fact, the rational mind, logic; things that have contributed to the scientific revolution, cars, nuclear fission, breakthrough advances for mankind.

[MisterM]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

Who would you trust? A book which is constantly questioned if it is fact or fiction. Or will we confide in fact, the rational mind, logic; things that have contributed to the scientific revolution, cars, nuclear fission, breakthrough advances for mankind.

Is this trick question? Are you talking about so-called science books? (which in most parts are pure fiction)

My answer is neither. I will trust Bible. God has written Bible and there is no question that is fact and nothing but fact.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

It seems, Lycia, that you have . . . difficulties answering my questions.

Any difficulty I'm having in answering your questions is due to the difficulty you seem to be having in presenting logical arguments.

1) As to my "flower language".
In a dream, we create and perceive simultaneously. So well, in fact, that we don't realize its happening. God is creating the world around us and perceiving or looking at us at the same time. He realizes from his perception that he can change things so he does. Tell me how that is not like a dream.

Because, unlike a dream, God is real! He's all-powerful, not some sleeping person out of the Matrix or something!

"O Lord GOD, thou hast begun to shew thy servant thy greatness, and thy mighty hand: for what God is there in heaven or in earth, that can do according to thy works, and according to thy might?" Deuteronomy 3:24

2) Wash's time
You are not Wash O'Hanley. You do not answer for him.

No, I'm not Wash, but I was merely pointing out the absurdity of challenging him to a debate and thinking you've won just because he hasn't been here and hasn't seen that you've challenged him to a debate.

3) Clap Trap
English language please. We live in the US. Not Europe. If your foreign, then I understand. If not, your just an idiot.

Are you purposely being obstinate here? You could have taken 2 minutes, plugged claptrap into a search engine and seen that it's an English word.

1clap·trap

noun \ˈklap-ˌtrap\
Definition of CLAPTRAP

: pretentious nonsense : trash

See claptrap defined for English-language learners »

Examples of CLAPTRAP

1. His entire speech was nothing but claptrap.
2. I'm tired of hearing all that claptrap about how hard her life is.

Origin of CLAPTRAP

2clap; from its attempt to win applauseFirst Known Use: 1799

4) False God
Yes because Im soooooo Hindu .
Grow up, questioning those who say they know does not mean I believe in a false God.

Don't be an idiot, I was pointing out the ridiculousness of you coming onto our privately-owned website and claiming that we're infringing on your Freedom of Religion.

5)Muslims vs. Christians
Europe will become predominantly Muslim soon. Muslims have 3.9 children on average. Christianity (keep in mind you are including Catholics which you hate) will eventually have less followers than Islam.

They'd better hope they have more people than us by 2012, because once we get a Tea Party member in the White House there's going to be a whole lot less of them!

6) Your Prayers
Hmm, divine intervention. Nice. You realize you LBC people jump to conclusions. If something happens that you like, you say it was divine intervention. If something else happens, it was Satan. It is black and white with you people. Too dim witted to realize that some things happen because of chance and other things.

Of course it's black and white with us, because that's how it is!

Stop trying to think rationally about this, butterscotch. God HATES rational thinking!

7) Nobar
I respect him. He has a cool name. Has a nice ring. Also your still going to hell.

OK, I'll bite. You obviously have no reverence for scripture, and I'm getting the feeling that you self-identify as an atheist, so tell me why you think I'm going to Hell.

8) Scripture
Use logic. Reason. Don't an old book tell you what to do. Your scripture has changed nothing. My arguments came from fact, deductive and inductive reasoning. Your arguments came from an old book.

Your "arguments" read like you've copy and pasted from some Godmocking website with no real understanding of what they mean. Take a moment and read some of the scripture I showed you. Think about the implications of what I was saying. You'll thank me later.

I have logic. Your argument is invalid.
I am assuming direct control.

Declaring yourself the winner of an argument =/= winning an argument.

[James Hutchins]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

Child, I just got off the phone with Mr. O'Hanley

These are his words, verbatim:

I am a busy man. I do not have time to talk to little children, especially those that are God haters. Nor do I appreciate the Homer advances being made upon me. Continued harassment and stalking will be refereed to the Landover DoF.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

Child, I just got off the phone with Mr. O'Hanley

These are his words, verbatim:

Thank you, James. Finally I get a REAL answer.

[James Hutchins]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I am surprised you are so daft as to not realize that the lack of response from Mr. O'Hanley or one of his staff in itself was an answer. He does not discuss important topics with little kids. His time is valuable and every one of his words has tremendous impact on society. He cannot (nor can any of us) afford to waste them on a person like you.


I highly reccomend you take your inane, poorly thought out statements, your toy video games and return to your parents basement. Take out the garbage. Do your homework, behave for a change, stop riding that skateboard in the Ann Arbor strip malls and stop huffing glue.

[WinnerNotSinner]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.



You wouldn't stand a chance against Wash! Your argument has been torn apart by one of the Ladies of Landover.

You just made my day!

[Nobar King]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I was going to give you a hard time about your failure to understand simple punctuation like the apostrophe:

3) Clap Trap: English language please. We live in the US. Not Europe. If your foreign, then I understand. If not, your just an idiot.

Since you wrote something nice about me, I decided to give you a break. For now.

7) Nobar: I respect him. He has a cool name. Has a nice ring. Also your still going to hell.

Here's a little lesson plan that I cobbled together for you: Thread: Beware the dangers of the evil apostrophe.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I was going to give you a hard time about your failure to understand simple punctuation like the apostrophe:

Since you wrote something nice about me, I decided to give you a break.
For now.

I'm serious. Of any name I have ever seen, your name has to be one of the greatest.

[Nobar King]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I'm sure my parents would be pleased, if they were still alive.

[Beyondthesmegma]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

I am surprised you are so daft as to not realize that the lack of response from Mr. O'Hanley or one of his staff in itself was an answer. He does not discuss important topics with little kids. His time is valuable and every one of his words has tremendous impact on society. He cannot (nor can any of us) afford to waste them on a person like you.


I highly reccomend you take your inane, poorly thought out statements, your toy video games and return to your parents basement. Take out the garbage. Do your homework, behave for a change, stop riding that skateboard in the Ann Arbor strip malls and stop huffing glue.

You realize you waste your time. As you write this. THE entire purpose of this thread is to waste your time. And look I succeeded.

[James Hutchins]

Re: I challenge Wash O'Hanley to a debate.

Serving God is never a waste of time.

Every minute you spend on line with us is a minute you do not spend raping the elderly and defacing monuments to the Glory that is God.

We know all you little kids want to do is come on here, horrify us with your potty mouth words, say thing like 'FTW' and "I love the Devil' or other nonsense. If having to baby sit you (where are your parents? I have no doubt your mom is out making a dollar on her knees but where is your father?) saves a good True Christian(tm) girl from being raped and forced to carry your seed to term and marry you, then I do not think my time is at all wasted.