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  • OccamsRazor
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    • Apr 2011
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    #16
    Re: Introductions, of sorts.

    Actually I'm fairly sure that that occurs before. Yes, note Genesis 4:1-3

    And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
    And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
    And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD

    The quotation you used was solely God's command, and given prior to the Creation of Eve, or even Adam for that matter, but was seemingly directed to the beasts and fowl and fish and whales he had just created.

    I suppose he could have told that to Man after Genesis 2 where he was created, but there isn't any mention of it. Mankind I suppose could have been created with that knowledge, but knowledge, being the result of the temptation in Genesis 3, and thus the first man shows evidence of lust, would imply that Genesis 1:27-31 was solely meant for the beasts. Now that the punishment was for eating the forbidden fruit leaves some room for doubt, but as all the resulting mating was only after that point, though based upon God statements in 3:16 still doesn't account for the sudden appearance of Cain's wife.

    It's also entirely possible that Daughters are merely not mentioned, as they are not in Genesis 5. But later injunctions such as Leviticus 18:6 would still imply that sex with one's sister is to be avoided. Of course ALL such injunctions against incest appear far later in the Bible, and aren't always iron clad, indeed there ARE situations where it appears not only to be allowed but required.

    See, it's the thinking that's the issue. Is there a way that I can avoid this sinful, prideful behavior that was obviously bequeathed to me when Eve first tricked Adam, and has been the downfall of mankind ever since?

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    • OccamsRazor
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      • Apr 2011
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      #17
      Re: Introductions, of sorts.

      No, I quite missed that.

      See, this is why I need to be here, to read more carefully, and learn my errors, as the tremendous blunder I just made. My lack of careful reading is also probably a good part of why I am not a good Christian

      Still, if he made multiple people why is it that he only chose the one man to place in the garden, and then made another seperate female for him, along with recreating everything else in 2:19-23?

      I will go and reread the whole old testament and come back only when I have questions for you to answer quite simply as you did. Thank you Pastor for showing me the truth of God's word again. I feel that coming here was indeed an enormous step towards acceptance of the written word of God as Truth.

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      • OccamsRazor
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        • Apr 2011
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        #18
        Re: Introductions, of sorts.

        Upon closer reading I'm forced to conclude that unless genesis 2:4 indicates that it is a more detailed retelling, in which case the order of the creation of beasts vs the order of creation of man need be switched, (for in Genesis 2:7-8 he creates man and then places him in the garden, then creates beasts and then a woman in 2:18-22 which is of course in contradiction to Genesis 1:20-27) which of course is impossible as the word of God is the sacred truth, and thus the error is either in my understanding or a complication that he may in fact, have created everything again the 7th day.

        In any case it's moot as it would still be simpler than the big bang theory which everything is created out of some unnamed pre-time pre-universe point of energy or the concept that the big bang is in fact the smashing together of 2 p-branes which requires infinitely more postulates than the single postulate of God, from whom all things follow and who created all things.

        I do apologize for laxness in my reading, and any misunderstandings I may have are entirely my fault. I will attempt to refrain from being stupid or contradictory in these forums any further, and thank you for your kind guidance as to the errors in my thinking, I shall read everything more carefully in order not to be as foolish as I have been.

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        • Talitha
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          • May 2026
          • 15118

          #19
          Re: Introductions, of sorts.

          Being humble is a good quality.
          Welcome

          Sister Talitha

          Markswoman, Circumcisionist, Platinum Tither.


          HE took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha Cumi; which is,
          being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41



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          • Cranky Old Man
            Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
            You kids get off his lawn!
             
            • Jan 2010
            • 22374

            #20
            Re: Introductions, of sorts.

            Originally posted by OccamsRazor View Post
            I will attempt to refrain from being stupid
            Sounds like a good plan.

            Welcome to our forum!
            5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
            To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
            James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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            • James Hutchins
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              • Jun 2009
              • 29453

              #21
              Re: Introductions, of sorts.

              Welcome young man. How many sons has your wife ejaculated for Jesus?
              Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
              Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
              Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
              Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
              Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
              Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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              • revpark
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                • Apr 2011
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                #22
                Reverend Oliver Park

                Hello Brethren,

                My name is Reverend Oliver Park. I was ordained ten years ago by the Universal Life Church and a few minutes later by Saint Luke’s Evangelical Christian Ministries. I am proud to say that I worked tirelessly for nearly fifteen minutes to accomplish the title of minister. And by God’s internet superhighway I was bestowed with the power to perform absolutions, take confessions and officiate weddings and funerals, to name just a few of my Holy responsibilities.

                If you are living in sin, I will help guide you into Holy Matrimony. Please contact me before God condemns you to Hell for your sinful life. My website is DON'T SPAM GOD'S FORUM, RUBE!

                We are so fortunate that we have Christianity to guide us through our lives. We are blind and only He can see. The luckiest of us are those of us who can hear voices, which undoubtedly are the voices of God. I know that the schizophrenia medication they prescribed me was made by the evil pharmaceutical companies who believe that medicine is necessary, when according to The Bible, only prayer is necessary, because God will heal all wounds, if you are a true believer. The fact that they want to block out God's voices is only more proof that every living medical doctor and psychiatrist hates God.

                Christianity teaches us that we don't have to be accountable for our own behavior because we are just weak humans (as only God is capable of good judgment). This is comforting because I used to have to think a lot and plan a lot, but now I know that God has a plan and that planning is therefore an arrogant sin against God.

                I read the Holy Bible and only the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible makes all other literature, especially all scientific literature obsolete, therefore ending the need for any of us to study and try to learn more about our environment and origins. Everything we ever need to know is written by God in the Holy Bible.
                I know I am a sinner like my great-great-grandfather Adam and my great-great-grandmother Eve. Sin is in my blood and I know God is still angry at me and my ancestors for my grandparents’ fruit-eating mishap, but someday, if I’m a good enough Christian, God will forgive my family and let us live in the Garden of Eden again and be nudists in His image.

                Therefore, to be truly holy before the Lord thy God, we must pray every day, and on Christmas we must pray ALL DAY. We must celebrate the birth of God’s one and only Son, and recognize that we are therefore not God’s sons and daughters, but are more like God’s step-children or wards of the state in His gracious holy orphanage.

                The worst sin I see committed every year by families around the world is the decorating of Christmas trees. On Christmas, there MUST BE NO DECORATING OF CHRISTMAS TREES. Decorating of trees is a SIN AGAINST GOD AND AGAINST JESUS:
                Jeremiah 10:2-4 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen for the customs of the people are vain: for one CUTTETH A TREE out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They DECK IT WITH SILVER AND GOLD; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."
                As a man of God, I have one bible verse that I repeat in my head all day long. It’s a bible verse that guides me in all my actions, including the way I treat my wife and daughters and the way I treat my female customers and female coworkers. All men should live by this law:

                ]“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

                In His Holy Name,
                Amen
                Last edited by Born Again Bob; 04-16-2011, 01:06 PM. Reason: Spam.
                In God We Trust,

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                • Zechariah Smyth
                  Walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
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                  • Feb 2011
                  • 15251

                  #23
                  Re: Reverend Oliver Park

                  Originally posted by revpark View Post
                  *** "I'm an idiot!" ***
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                  Yours in Christ,

                  Z. Smyth
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                  • revpark
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                    • Apr 2011
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                    #24
                    Re: Introductions, of sorts.


                    You're right. Thank you for brining my attention to my idiocy. I am not very experienced with forums. I meant to post an introduction but posted it here by mistake, instead of as a new thread. I also wasn't aware that I would receive an infraction for putting a link to my website on this site. It was an honest mistake, but I understand now. I've been offline for a while, but I'll get the hang of it.
                    In God We Trust,

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                    • Zechariah Smyth
                      Walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
                      True Christian™
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 15251

                      #25
                      Re: Introductions, of sorts.

                      Originally posted by revpark View Post

                      You're right. Thank you for brining my attention to my idiocy. I am not very experienced with forums. I meant to post an introduction but posted it here by mistake, instead of as a new thread. I also wasn't aware that I would receive an infraction for putting a link to my website on this site. It was an honest mistake, but I understand now. I've been offline for a while, but I'll get the hang of it.
                      I admire the fact that you realize you're in a pickle. Most people haven't even that rudimentary sense of self-awareness and objectivity, so consider yourself blessed.

                      But now is where things get tricky...do you take advantage of this second chance, or do you cast this opportunity on the rocks?

                      Decisions, decisions.

                      (James 1:12) "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him."

                      Yours in Christ,

                      Z. Smyth
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                      • Rev. M. Rodimer
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                        • May 2008
                        • 13996

                        #26
                        Re: Introductions, of sorts.

                        Originally posted by OccamsRazor View Post
                        Upon closer reading I'm forced to conclude that unless genesis 2:4 indicates that it is a more detailed retelling, in which case the order of the creation of beasts vs the order of creation of man need be switched, (for in Genesis 2:7-8 he creates man and then places him in the garden, then creates beasts and then a woman in 2:18-22 which is of course in contradiction to Genesis 1:20-27) which of course is impossible as the word of God is the sacred truth, and thus the error is either in my understanding or a complication that he may in fact, have created everything again the 7th day.
                        Or you, like every other God-mocker who stumbles upon this forum, are incapable of comprehending that God created humans as part of the six-day Creation, and that Adam and Eve were the first JEWS, a separate and special creation.

                        See the "Quote" button at the bottom right of this post? Click it. Magically, what I've said is quoted. Then when you reply, we can know to whom you're responding.
                        Bible boring? Nonsense!
                        Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                        You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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