Not Impressed

[LittleStarGirl]

It's called the New Testament people. Read it.

[LittleStarGirl]

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New members are labeled as "unsaved trash"????
I'm sorry, but that is downright disrespectful. I am deeply offended and wish to know why.

Can someone give me a reason why?

[Lycia The Repentant]

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It's called the New Testament people. Read it.

What makes you think we haven't, LittleStarGirl?

New members are labeled as "unsaved trash"????
I'm sorry, but that is downright disrespectful. I am deeply offended and wish to know why.

Can someone give me a reason why?

Because 99% of the new members we get here are exactly that; unsaved trash.

[Jedediah]

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Young lady, I have been living by the Word of God since before you were a glimmer in your parents' eyes. I have probably forgotten more Scripture from the New Testament than you have ever learned. Unlike your ilk of cherry-picking, salad bar false christians, I feel a certain degree of intellectual integrity that compels me to actually know a thing or two about the Book that forms the foundation of my cherished beliefs. It would behoove you to actually pick up and read a Holy Bible (KJV 1611) as well.

As I told you in another thread:

The Old Testament is in full effect. Aside from a few dietary restrictions and laws about animal sacrifice (Acts 10:9-16, Hebrews 10:4-14), the Law from the Old Testament is still valid. Or do you think Heaven and Earth have passed?

Matthew 5:17-19
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 5:46-47
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Thank you for demonstrating why the Bible forbids women to teach the Gospel or to usurp authority over men (I Timothy 2:11-12).

[LittleStarGirl]

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Lycia,
most of what I have seen around here is based solely on the Old Testament and completely disregards the teachings of the New Testament. Just my observations

and interesting statistic. do you have the proof behind it? I apologize if I come across as rude, I am just deeply hurt at being called unsaved trash when I have been a Christian my whole life.


Jedediah,
if you have forgotten teachings from the New Testament, then you are missing out. That's all I have to say for you

[Jedediah]

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Please feel free to demonstrate how our beliefs are not in accordance with God's Word. Please cite relevant Scripture, if you know any besides John 3:16.

[Levi Jones]

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It's called the New Testament people. Read it.

So the Old Testament was good enough for Jesus, but not you.

Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Where did Jesus get those sayings from?

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:17-18 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

What did Jesus say when Satan tried to tempt Him?

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Where did Jesus get that from?

Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

[LittleStarGirl]

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okay, I do apologize. I am in no way trying to devalue the Old Testament. Colossians 2, I find, talks a lot about adding things to following Jesus as a Christian. Paul states explicitly that those who say you need Jesus and the old laws are false teachers.

quick question. I am once again not trying to sound rude in any way. But, why do you use the King James Version explicitly? I find this translation far too confusing to be able to understand most of the Bible's teachings.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Lycia,
most of what I have seen around here is based solely on the Old Testament and completely disregards the teachings of the New Testament. Just my observations

As Brother Jedediah told you, the Bible specifically states most of the Old Testament is still in effect.

In addition to the verses he posted, the Bible is very specific that the Word of God never changes, and we need to follow ALL of the Bible, not just the New Testament.

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." James 1:17

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

You'll notice I even took special care to use scripture from the New Testament to illustrate my point.

and interesting statistic. do you have the proof behind it? I apologize if I come across as rude, I am just deeply hurt at being called unsaved trash when I have been a Christian my whole life.

I do! It's from the Bible itself.

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" Matthew 7:13

Friend, the truth hurts. You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs, and you can't get somebody Saved(c) without hurting their feelings sometimes. You NEED to know that if you don't follow the WHOLE Bible, it's just as bad as not following ANY of it.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

I hope you'll think about this.

Praying for you,

Lycia

[BelieverInGod]

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okay, I do apologize. I am in no way trying to devalue the Old Testament. Colossians 2, I find, talks a lot about adding things to following Jesus as a Christian. Paul states explicitly that those who say you need Jesus and the old laws are false teachers.

quick question. I am once again not trying to sound rude in any way. But, why do you use the King James Version explicitly? I find this translation far too confusing to be able to understand most of the Bible's teachings.

I was reading the KJV Bible at the age of 6, when I was growing up this was not something that would have been considered "surprising". Think about that, you grew up where almost all of the information you could ask for is at the tips of your fingers, yet you cannot read at what would be considered a grade 6 reading level 40 years ago.

I weep for your generation.

Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones

Sure, the newer Bibles are "easier" but they're also perverted. If you look at John 3:16 in the NIV, it doesn't even tell you that you have to believe in Jesus, just that you have to believe (in whatever you feel like I guess).

You may also want to read this link on why the other (per)versions are wrong.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvonly.htm

In fact the only arguments against the KJV Bible are.....

• King James wrote it (blatantly false)
• It's too hard
• It's not modern enough

Take the NIV quiz and see how well you do

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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okay, I do apologize. I am in no way trying to devalue the Old Testament. Colossians 2, I find, talks a lot about adding things to following Jesus as a Christian. Paul states explicitly that those who say you need Jesus and the old laws are false teachers.

OH! That explains it. You're a Catholic.

You ignore WHAT JESUS SAID in favor of YOUR mistaken understanding of WHAT PAUL SAID.

Confirm for me, Little Girl: Who is God? Jesus, or Paul?

(Note: If you say "Ringo", you will be banned.)

[LittleStarGirl]

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yet you cannot read at what would be considered a grade 6 reading level 40 years ago.

I never said that I cannot read it. I said it is difficult to understand, thank you very much.

Sure, the newer Bibles are "easier" but they're also perverted. If you look at John 3:16 in the NIV, it doesn't even tell you that you have to believe in Jesus, just that you have to believe (in whatever you feel like I guess).

When you say perverted, do you mean things are lost or changed in translation? Have you read the Bible in its original Hebrew and Greek? How do you know the King James Version isn't perverse compared to that? Not everything can be translated into English, no matter how it's written.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

I fail to see your point. Both translations clearly state that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life.

OH! That explains it. You're a Catholic.

You ignore WHAT JESUS SAID in favor of YOUR mistaken understanding of WHAT PAUL SAID.

Confirm for me, Little Girl: Who is God? Jesus, or Paul?

Umm..... no. I am not, have never been, and never will be Catholic. And you completely twist what I mean. I never stated or implied that I ignore what Jesus has said in favour of what Paul has said. I simply acknowledge that they are both parts of the same Bible, and so both have value. We are supposed to keep all the Bible in our practices, are we not?

You asked me to cite relevant scripture, and so I did. If you had wanted it to be teachings from Jesus, you should have told me.
And how is my understanding of Paul's teachings mistaken? Please enlighten me as to what he is actually saying.

As for God, he is three in one. God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. But I'm sure you already know that much.

(Note: If you say "Ringo", you will be banned.)

I didn't even consider saying Ringo. Why would I? If I had wanted to be sarcastic, I would have said 'God is Benny Hinn,' or something of the like.


On a slightly different topic, I have a question.
>What is the main, central focus of the Bible in all its entirety?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Umm..... no. I am not, have never been, and never will be Catholic. And you completely twist what I mean. I never stated or implied that I ignore what Jesus has said in favour of what Paul has said. I simply acknowledge that they are both parts of the same Bible, and so both have value. We are supposed to keep all the Bible in our practices, are we not?

You asked me to cite relevant scripture, and so I did. If you had wanted it to be teachings from Jesus, you should have told me.
And how is my understanding of Paul's teachings mistaken? Please enlighten me as to what he is actually saying.

As for God, he is three in one. God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. But I'm sure you already know that much.

Yet you ignore Jesus' proclamation that the entire Law is still in effect, in favor of a cherry-picked verse from Paul through which you suggest that the Law of God doesn't matter, only belief.

Please explain.

On a slightly different topic, I have a question.
>What is the main, central focus of the Bible in all its entirety?

Obey God in all things.

[LittleStarGirl]

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Yet you ignore Jesus' proclamation that the entire Law is still in effect, in favor of a cherry-picked verse from Paul through which you suggest that the Law of God doesn't matter, only belief.

Please explain.

Jesus does not proclaim the entire Law is still in effect. He proclaims that the TEN COMMANDMENTS are still in effect. The laws that pertain to society in any stage of development.

Colossians 2:16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Your rights to judge someone because they do not follow certain laws (such as keeping the sabbath holy), is non-existent. If you are a Christian and have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, your sins are forgiven and you are no longer bound by the old laws or the laws of man.

Obey God in all things.

Now I see where you are all coming from. I must inform you that you are mistaken. The central focus point of the Bible, from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, is Jesus Christ.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Jesus does not proclaim the entire Law is still in effect. He proclaims that the TEN COMMANDMENTS are still in effect. The laws that pertain to society in any stage of development.

Colossians 2:16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Your rights to judge someone because they do not follow certain laws (such as keeping the sabbath holy), is non-existent. If you are a Christian and have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, your sins are forgiven and you are no longer bound by the old laws or the laws of man.




Now I see where you are all coming from. I must inform you that you are mistaken. The central focus point of the Bible, from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, is Jesus Christ.

Even though Jesus doesn't appear in over 9/10 of the Bible? Wrong. The focus of the Bible is repent or perish.