[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Dare I ask this but:

If you're allowed to eat your sons and daughters during a siege doesn't this contradict thou shalt not kill, I didn't think you answered this and I'm looking for clarification.

You're obviously a godmocking fool who thinks he's clever enough to convince us to abandon Christianity because you think you know more than God. Well you don't.

God commands us not to kill our fellow True Christians(tm). The 10 Commandments don't apply to everyone, obviously. God orders us to kill witches, queers and atheists in the Holy Bible, so He obviously doesn't want a universal ban on killing.

By the way, this is not a debate forum. Since you are posting in the introduction section of our Godly forum, why don't you show some decency and properly introduce yourself. Tell us what church you attend. Tell us about yourself.

[landoverlover]

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Medical marijuana? Are you kidding me?

Revelations 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So-called medical marijuana is the biggest scam since evolution. Please, name one other ailment where the sufferers gather to enjoy and share their medication in a party atmosphere. Name a pharmacy that has prescription drugs with names like "brown leaf dream." And who use glass pipes shaped like demons and penises to ingest their "medication."

Every. Single. Person. who uses the stuff is a lying, pot-smoking hippie. There will be plenty of smoke where they're going.

[James Hutchins]

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I did have a look at the pictures. But I had a problem. There seems to be a location that is a strip up into the sky and heaven is beyond that. I'm trying to work out which direction I'm supposed to look in, unfortunately you diagram has unlabelled stars and all the stars seem to be at the same height as the moon so I can't work out which stars they are.

..........

I am sorry if simple visual comprehension is not your strong suit. But obviously, I have to make is even simpler. There are three directions you can look.

1. Straight ahead. This the Now.
2. Down. That is where Hell is
3. Up. That is where Heaven is

You do know what down and up are, don't you?

You may also want to go online and get this book. It seems well suited for you:

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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Right, a proper introduction then.
My name is James. I have studied Physics, Maths, Computer Science and am currently undertaking a degree Aeronautical Engineering.

I'm an Atheist (Shocking I know).

Now at this point I'm sure I'm now considered a "damned soul" by you lot. How ever it would be nice if you finished reading what I have to say, regardless of what you now and will think of me.

I'm probably classed as a humanist/utilitarianist . I believe in what's best for humanity. I'm also pro-choice. This means, I support abortion, women's rights, and I openly like and will get along with any person, regardless of his or her religion. I do however dislike their religion (please note the difference).

I feel that gays have a right to do what ever they want in private so long as there is mutual, legal consent.
I feel that any activity that is fun/life enhancing is acceptable so long as it does not adversely effect society as a whole and raises the happiness of a population and the productivity of a population. That is I condone drinking (responsibly) and happily accept minor other drugs such as smoking and marijuana on the basis that the former is socially acceptable (although I dislike it) and the latter is harmless (impossible to overdose and so long as it covers my, doesn't affect society issues).

I find it amusing how you hate Catholics so much as your religion is extremely similar. Further more I find that believing a book that has been written by countless people; improved upon by several writers; written after Jesus had gone; and out right contradicts proven facts to be amusing.

I find it disturbing how, in one of your forum topics there are a large quantity of you calling for an apology from a girl who aborted a foetus which was conceived as she was raped.

I also find that your posters make unjustified sweeping statements about countries. After seeing my country (UK) roasted by using incorrect facts I got irritated and joined the forum.

God is not always pro life. He has killed so many people, if your bible is to be believed. For example (but not limited to), in stories such as Noah's Ark.

This is, just the tip of the iceberg, of issues I have with this book.

I would have thought that your God would be happy with my idea about life. It should produce a good society, and a peaceful one at that. No, I could never know more than an omniscient being. But I can easily know more than a few hundred, poorly educated scribes with relatively primitive knowledge of how things in the universe operate.

My questions concerning where heaven is located was obviously too open and gentle. I get it heaven is above us somewhere. If it is further than we can see our souls cannot get there as information cannot travel faster than light so it would take, at least, the time since the universe began to get to heaven. If it is in visible range it should have a location. This is what I'm getting at. If is has a location, it should be detectable (and probably away from black holes).

Lastly, how do you know that your book and your God are the correct book and God? How would you know? You can't say because I believe, as I could believe in a Zeus or the Great Invisible Banana in the Sky.

Now before you shoot me would you care to show me your side of the story. I'm intrigued how people can be so certain about something that is provably uncertain. At the very least this can be around so that people don't have to keep asking the same questions to you lot.


James

[Cranky Old Man]

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I'm intrigued how people can be so certain about something that is provably uncertain.

It's faith. You either have it, or you will end up in Hell.

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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It's faith. You either have it, or you will end up in Hell.

I've read some of your topics concerning having sex with daughters being fine according to the bible. As someone already said, it will cause mutation and will lead to handicapped children due to an issue with DNA replication.

DNA is real. You can see it. There are several large experiments in the UK at diamond which bombard materials with neutrons from a neutron source and these neutrons can create a 3d image of molecules. They have also used it to study the molecular structure of spider silk. I don't need faith, proof will be much preferred and is much more probable and accurate.

[Cranky Old Man]

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I've read some of your topics concerning having sex with daughters being fine according to the bible. As someone already said, it will cause mutation and will lead to handicapped children due to an issue with DNA replication.

Nonsense! Adam and Eve started with just 2 people, Noah had only a very smart group of people with him on the ark. Yet we are with over 6,000,000,000 people now, most of them not handicapped.

DNA is real. You can see it. There are several large experiments in the UK at diamond which bombard materials with neutrons from a neutron source and these neutrons can create a 3d image of molecules. They have also used it to study the molecular structure of spider silk. I don't need faith, proof will be much preferred and is much more probable and accurate.

Did you actually see DNA? Or did you choose to believe someone who told you about it?

[Faith_Machine]

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I have studied...

I'm an...

...what I have to say...

I'm probably classed as a...

I believe in...

I'm also...

I support...

I openly like...

I feel that...

I feel that...

That is I condone...

...and happily accept...

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Further more I find that...

I find it disturbing how...

I also find that...

...issues I have with this book.

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...I could believe in...

I'm intrigued how...

Goodness gracious, friend, you sure to talk about yourself and your ideas an awful lot! Why are you here? We're here to talk about Jesus Christ and His ideas

[Faith_Machine]

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My questions concerning where heaven is located was obviously too open and gentle. I get it heaven is above us somewhere. If it is further than we can see our souls cannot get there as information cannot travel faster than light so it would take, at least, the time since the universe began to get to heaven. If it is in visible range it should have a location. This is what I'm getting at. If is has a location, it should be detectable (and probably away from black holes).

For somebody who claims to have studied science, you're not very knowledgeable. Ever heard of quantum entanglement, friend? That enables information to replicate itself instantaneously, without the speed of light even factoring into the equation.

All of which is completely irrelevant, because God created time. Do you think the very Supreme Being who invented the concepts of time and distance is going to by limited by those things when he moves souls around?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Also sorry billy bob I must have been unclear. If you're allowed to eat your sons and daughters during a siege doesn't this contradict thou shalt not kill, I didn't think you answered this and I'm looking for clarification.

You are trying to make it appear as though the Bible contradicts itself. I presuppose that the Bible does not contradict itself, because I have faith, so I assume that eating one's children during a siege is an exception to the thou shalt not kill rule.

It is so easy to love Jesus. All you have to do is repent, accept His temporary sacrifice, and have absolute faith in everything the Bible teaches. Don't you want to be a True Christian(tm)? Don't you want to be saved from eternal punishment for your heinous sins?

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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Nonsense! Adam and Eve started with just 2 people, Noah had only a very smart group of people with him on the ark. Yet we are with over 6,000,000,000 people now, most of them not handicapped.

Did you actually see DNA? Or did you choose to believe someone who told you about it?

I saw DNA, I've also "played God" and modified a bacterium by modifying it's DNA.

Firstly, evolution meant that there was a large gene pool so several "Adam and Eves" would have been created which would mean an mutated gene pool and un-mutated descendants. The Ark is unfortunately an impossible story. If the bible is to be believed, there would be a huge quantity of water (covered mountains), this raises several questions, where did all the water come from. If space then the earth would have frozen. If somehow the water was heated (by god). The mass of earth would lead it to fall into the sun. Furthermore due to conservation of momentum the earth would be slowed down thus further increasing the rate it falls towards the sun. Also if you believe the bible then, you probably also believe the world is flat, so the water would have all instantly flowed off the edge. Employing Occam's Razor, it is simpler to suggest that the whole story is just that a story.

[Mary-Yves Lapierre]

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DNA is real. You can see it. There are several large experiments in the UK at diamond which bombard materials with neutrons from a neutron source and these neutrons can create a 3d image of molecules. They have also used it to study the molecular structure of spider silk. I don't need faith, proof will be much preferred and is much more probable and accurate.

Bwahahaha! Do you believe in the Star Trek too? Do you dress up in the little pointy ears?

The diamond make 'neutrons' which nobody is seeing, but can show the other invisible things? In 3D!!!! Like spiders webs?



And your invisible neutrons that make the 3D images of the spiders web prove that Adam and his Eve would have disabled grandchildrens?



Bad spider, bad!! Stop making Cain's babies retardeds!!

You are a very funny small man.

I am happy you are shared your comedies with me, silly boy.

Oh LOOK! The Stargates show is on!! Go learn some more about the wormholes! Maybe you can be disproving that airplanes exist!!

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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For somebody who claims to have studied science, you're not very knowledgeable. Ever heard of quantum entanglement, friend? That enables information to replicate itself instantaneously, without the speed of light even factoring into the equation.

All of which is completely irrelevant, because God created time. Do you think the very Supreme Being who invented the concepts of time and distance is going to by limited by those things when he moves souls around?

One, if you know about physics than you know quantum entanglement does not in fact break the laws of speed of light travel as no information is transmitted. It is you that doesn't know his physics and should I suggest read more about it before you jump in with an ill informed statement. I suggest you read this (satanic link deleted) to begin with and the associated papers if you feel you are still correct.

Now for that age old rebuttal. If everything has to be created, who created God? Surely to create God, there must be a more omniscient/omnipotent being. Firstly, by definition this is impossible. Secondly isn't it simpler to accept the idea that there was no God and the that universe wasn't created by a being and just existed, like your God or his creator's creator would have had to "just" exist.

[Faith_Machine]

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OK, I'll grant you that: with hypothetical communication technologies that rely on quantum entanglement, no information is technically transmitted.

But you're arguing semantics here. If a quantum entanglement communicator enables me to send an e-mail to somebody a billion light years away, and the e-mail "arrives" instantaneously, then how can you argue that no information has gotten from one place to another?

It's not that the information hasn't been transmitted, it's that quantum entanglement has eliminated the need for transmission as it's conventionally understood.

As to your second point, who ever said everything needs to be created? God didn't need to be created because, due to the fact that His existence is timeless, there was never a time when God did not exist.

[SlipperySlopeHeadedForeigner]

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Bwahahaha! Do you believe in the Star Trek too? Do you dress up in the little pointy ears?

The diamond make 'neutrons' which nobody is seeing, but can show the other invisible things? In 3D!!!! Like spiders webs?



And your invisible neutrons that make the 3D images of the spiders web prove that Adam and his Eve would have disabled grandchildrens?



Bad spider, bad!! Stop making Cain's babies retardeds!!

You are a very funny small man.

I am happy you are shared your comedies with me, silly boy.

Oh LOOK! The Stargates show is on!! Go learn some more about the wormholes! Maybe you can be disproving that airplanes exist!!

Well let me entertain you longer with some further logic. Firstly, Diamond is the name of a complex in the UK, feel free to google it.

Imaging/detecting using an array of different instruments that detect in different ways but correlate prove DNA's structure and prove that it exists. This and countless other experiments that have been repeated countless times by several different people and yielding the same result has shown that DNA exists and how it can be manipulated. Most cows nowadays in the USA have been genetically modified in this way to produce more milk or grow bigger for more meat. Further studies that are just as strong show that if the same or extremely similar DNA undergoes sexual reproduction mutations are extremely likely to occur. As Eve was apparently made from Adam, this would be the case.

So it is not that spiders prove what I've been talking about it is the technology and the results obtained through it's use. Ironically you talk about things that I have not seen. I have more evidence of the "invisible" stuff that i'm talking about than you do of your invisible God, of which there is no evidence for.