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[Kyle93]

Re: Humm

Really? What do you believe is not to be taken at face value? What parts specifically are not real and what parts are true? How do you come to this decision?


You first and then we'll continue with your questions, if you don't mind.

Well, I'm not saying that things are true or false. However, I am saying that certain things cant be used in this day and age.

Deuteronomy 25:11 - 12

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

In what way can you relate that to this day and age? Things need to be related to now.

Did Jesus treat people with respect who disagreed with Him?

Again this, how can you expect others to treat you with respect and to understand your views if you dont extend the same respect.

So you believe that God created them to be gay and then told people not to be gay through the Bible only to damn them later.

You would be correct. I'm a big believer in predestination.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

2 Thessalonians 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Romans 5:11,15-22 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Wait, you were just arguing that people don't have free will. You said God "makes" people gay.

How is that free will if God chooses whether you are gay or straight and they can't choose their sexuality?

Now I'm all confused.

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Ok, firstly. There is no need for the last statement. There is no need to act in the way you did then. Back to the point raised tho, do we or do we not have free will. If we did not, how is it that I am writing this. If I did not then I would be physicaly unable to. Unless it is the devil acting through me.

You have completely missed the issue tho. I was asking how you can justify the hatred of gays etc. When if we cant choose our sexuality and God created us, how can it be wrong?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Humm

Hello, well first I would like to state my intentions on this forum. I am here to disuses you with your views. I am Christian myself. However, I am not what you may call "strict". I believe in a newer interpretation of the bible. I dont take everything that is written at face value.

Dear friend:

You have piqued my curiousity about your beliefs. Please explain how you know which parts of the Bible not to take at face value and how you determine the true value of those parts.

Firstly, I would like to know how you can justify some of your views.



I may be wrong, however I was taught and told that people deserve respect. Be they black white gay lesbian male female short tall black hair etc. If you cant except people for who they are, are you better then hitter? It has been proven that you dont choose your sexuality. I'm not saying people dont do things in relation to sexual activitys. However there actual sexuality is not a choice. If God made us how we are then how can you say Gays etc are wrong?

I'm afraid that you are wrong. Both fags and fag-enablers deserve death; Scripture is quite clear on that:

Romans 1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

That is just one example after a quick look over your forum.

Secondly, people have free will. Its proven, you cant tell them what to think or to view. People make up there own minds. I was always told, to live a Christian lifestyle to avoid going to hell. How some of the stuff on here can be justified as being Christian is beyond what I can think off. I was told, you dont completely have to be Christian to avoid a fiery eternity in hell. Respect and understanding are important.

Then you were told wrong:

Matt. 7:21-22: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Rev. 3:15-16: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Now, how can you justify this ?

Please explain your issue with it.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Humm

Hello, well first I would like to state my intentions on this forum. I am here to disuses you with your views. I am Christian myself. However, I am not what you may call "strict". I believe in a newer interpretation of the bible. I dont take everything that is written at face value.

Really? What do you believe is not to be taken at face value? What parts specifically are not real and what parts are true? How do you come to this decision?

Firstly, I would like to know how you can justify some of your views.

You first and then we'll continue with your questions, if you don't mind.

I may be wrong, however I was taught and told that people deserve respect.

Did Jesus treat people with respect who disagreed with Him?

However there actual sexuality is not a choice. If God made us how we are then how can you say Gays etc are wrong?

So you believe that God created them to be gay and then told people not to be gay through the Bible only to damn them later.

You would be correct. I'm a big believer in predestination.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

2 Thessalonians 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Romans 5:11,15-22 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Secondly, people have free will. Its proven, you cant tell them what to think or to view. People make up there own minds.

Wait, you were just arguing that people don't have free will. You said God "makes" people gay.

How is that free will if God chooses whether you are gay or straight and they can't choose their sexuality?

Now I'm all confused.

[Kyle93]

Hello, well first I would like to state my intentions on this forum. I am here to disuses you with your views. I am Christian myself. However, I am not what you may call "strict". I believe in a newer interpretation of the bible. I dont take everything that is written at face value.

Firstly, I would like to know how you can justify some of your views.



I may be wrong, however I was taught and told that people deserve respect. Be they black white gay lesbian male female short tall black hair etc. If you cant except people for who they are, are you better then hitter? It has been proven that you dont choose your sexuality. I'm not saying people dont do things in relation to sexual activitys. However there actual sexuality is not a choice. If God made us how we are then how can you say Gays etc are wrong?

That is just one example after a quick look over your forum.

Secondly, people have free will. Its proven, you cant tell them what to think or to view. People make up there own minds. I was always told, to live a Christian lifestyle to avoid going to hell. How some of the stuff on here can be justified as being Christian is beyond what I can think off. I was told, you dont completely have to be Christian to avoid a fiery eternity in hell. Respect and understanding are important.

Now, how can you justify this ?

Thats all I can think of now, I have a migraine and would prefer to be asleep right now. I am interested to see your views, and hope I get someone who is willing to explain well. Without just saying "you disagree, you are going to hell" I will ignore you.

Lastly, I defend Christians and try to teach the Christian way to others. So I know both sides of the argument so I will know a lot about what you will be saying. You will need to justify well.