[MitzaLizalor]

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Originally Posted by Jacob L.

How do you expect that "understanding" to develop if your questions are unanswered?

I can see the contradiction. I was just reffering to Redeemed Papist.

In the context of HELL the fear derives from something we do understand.

We understand because God has told us. The scripture has been quoted. We have explained patiently.

If you are going to use the word evil to signify not understood what word do you use to signify evil?

I know you're a patient with me, I'm probably not the fastest learner. And I know you've quoted again and angain. But the quotes are not necessarily the answers to my questions, and my questions are often not being answered. You use parts of my posts out of context and answer me with another question.

What I meant to say in the post you're reffering to is, evil takes on a lot of faces. A lot of people will probably agree that rapists and murders are evil, I know I do. But also fear of the unknown. An example; here in Denmark we have big debates about immigrants. People who don't want the immigrants in Denmark are telling all sort of stories about how they're just coming here to take over our Country, how they don't give a crap about our laws, heritage or culture, that the immigrants think all of us should be killed. All of them stories contributing to the fear of loosing our country to immigrants.
I get the same feeling when you're trying to convince me to believe in Jesus, by telling me something horrible/evil is gonna happend to me if I don't. And the way I was brought up and educated, fear is not a good instrument when you try motivating a change in people.

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Originally Posted by Jacob L.

Sounds like a sore hiney.

There's no need to fear for Europe though. Give it another twenty years and even the Vatican will have minarets. Take heed to God's warning and turn from your evil ways!

Do you really think it's gonna take another 20 years?
I still think that European countries have a long history and therefor every countries different culture will survive. If it doesn't, it was probably not worth fighting for anyway.
Only problem is, I wouldn't know where to go then.
As much as I like to visit your beautiful country, I probably wouldn't wanna live there.

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You use parts of my posts out of context..

I did not use parts of your posts out of context: I used the Quote button.

People who don't want the immigrants in Denmark are telling all sort of stories about how they're just coming here to take over our Country, how they don't give a crap about our laws, heritage or culture, that the immigrants think all of us should be killed.

In the case of mohammedans, it is the immigrants themselves who are saying this:

KORAN
5:33(36) The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land [Danes] is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

8:12,55 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve [Danes]. Therefore strike off their [Danish's] heads and strike off every fingertip of them...Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve [=Danish people], then they would not believe.

9:30,123 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! ... O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you [in Denmark that means Danishes] and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard

48:29 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers [Denmark], compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them [the seed is the vile monammedan migrant and the stout tree is the Denmarkistan THEY announce they will build after they have murdered THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE and CHOPPED UP all the Danishes]; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good [that means murdering Danes], forgiveness and a great reward.
SHAKIR [COURTESY Lisa H]

..European countries have a long history

That is because mohammedan invasions have always been repulsed. It is that very history, spanning some 3,000 years, which has enabled the wretched garbage to your south to be immediately identified as the abominable filth they are, predicted in The Bible (which you wish to ignore) and stinking up every hellhole they have created since their debased and idiotic "prophet" announced that only his moon-idol should be worshipped and that everyone else should be murdered (which is exactly what they have been doing for the millennium or so of their own odious history, such as it is: everything they touch they have destroyed: that is why they live in once prosperous 3rd world cesspits and that is what manifests everywhere they go).

Perhaps you will take notice of the koran? You obviously have no inclination to discover The Truth and understand The Perfect Love of God.

[Redeemed Papist]

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We're not trying to convince you to believe in Jesus. We're saying, "This is who Jesus actually is, here's the evidence that we're right and the fluffy bunny Christians are being disingenuous, take it or leave it."

You can choose to believe us or blunder merrily on being confused by made up twaddle and cherry picking from the fluffy bunny brigade. It's your choice. We're not going to sugar the pill so you can feel like we're warm and fluffy. One day you'll thank us for showing a bit of tough love.

[Jacob L.]

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Sounds like a sore hiney.

There's no need to fear for Europe though. Give it another twenty years and even the Vatican will have minarets. Take heed to God's warning and turn from your evil ways!

Do you really think it's gonna take another 20 years?
I still think that European countries have a long history and therefor every countries different culture will survive. If it doesn't, it was probably not worth fighting for anyway.
Only problem is, I wouldn't know where to go then.
As much as I like to visit your beautiful country, I probably wouldn't wanna live there.

[Youth Pastor Marty]

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I can see the contradiction. I was just reffering to Redeemed Papist.



I know you're a patient with me, I'm probably not the fastest learner. And I know you've quoted again and angain. But the quotes are not necessarily the answers to my questions, and my questions are often not being answered. You use parts of my posts out of context and answer me with another question.

What I meant to say in the post you're reffering to is, evil takes on a lot of faces. A lot of people will probably agree that rapists and murders are evil, I know I do. But also fear of the unknown. An example; here in Denmark we have big debates about immigrants. People who don't want the immigrants in Denmark are telling all sort of stories about how they're just coming here to take over our Country, how they don't give a crap about our laws, heritage or culture, that the immigrants think all of us should be killed. All of them stories contributing to the fear of loosing our country to immigrants.
I get the same feeling when you're trying to convince me to believe in Jesus, by telling me something horrible/evil is gonna happend to me if I don't. And the way I was brought up and educated, fear is not a good instrument when you try motivating a change in people.

Jacob, no one here is trying to scare you. We merely tell you the truth when we say that the party boys in Hell won't be done with your hiney until it is as red as the Devil himself.

There's no need to fear for Europe though. Give it another twenty years and even the Vatican will have minarets. Take heed to God's warning and turn from your evil ways!

[Jacob L.]

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How do you expect that "understanding" to develop if your questions are unanswered?

I can see the contradiction. I was just reffering to Redeemed Papist.

In the context of HELL the fear derives from something we do understand.

We understand because God has told us. The scripture has been quoted. We have explained patiently.

If you are going to use the word evil to signify not understood what word do you use to signify evil?

I know you're a patient with me, I'm probably not the fastest learner. And I know you've quoted again and angain. But the quotes are not necessarily the answers to my questions, and my questions are often not being answered. You use parts of my posts out of context and answer me with another question.

What I meant to say in the post you're reffering to is, evil takes on a lot of faces. A lot of people will probably agree that rapists and murders are evil, I know I do. But also fear of the unknown. An example; here in Denmark we have big debates about immigrants. People who don't want the immigrants in Denmark are telling all sort of stories about how they're just coming here to take over our Country, how they don't give a crap about our laws, heritage or culture, that the immigrants think all of us should be killed. All of them stories contributing to the fear of loosing our country to immigrants.
I get the same feeling when you're trying to convince me to believe in Jesus, by telling me something horrible/evil is gonna happend to me if I don't. And the way I was brought up and educated, fear is not a good instrument when you try motivating a change in people.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Why do you keep answering me? ..blah.. I'm just a curious soul, trying to understand the ways you're thinking and seeing the world.

How do you expect that "understanding" to develop if your questions are unanswered?

Here is a good example:

Fear is a very powerfull tool, that we humans use partly to get are points across but we also use it when there's something we don't understand. So instead of making an effort trying to understand it, we label it evil, and we get other people to join us, because we share the fear of the unknown.

In the context of HELL the fear derives from something we do understand.

We understand because God has told us. The scripture has been quoted. We have explained patiently.

If you are going to use the word evil to signify not understood what word do you use to signify evil?

[Redeemed Papist]

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I don't mind the answers!
I chose to be at this forum, not Jesus!
I know in my mind, that you think you're right!

But Jesus guided you here, this is plain. Your insatiable appetite for getting the last word on the internet is proof of this.

And we don't think we are right; we think God is right.

[Jacob L.]

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As long as Jesus make you spend all your time in this Godly forum, we are more than happy to answer to you. Even when you don't like those answers, in your heart you know that we are right.

I don't mind the answers!
I chose to be at this forum, not Jesus!
I know in my mind, that you think you're right!

[Alphonse Alban]

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Why do you keep answering me? I thought you were so sick and tired of me, so why do you bother reading my posts?

Why would I want you to appologies? You have nothing to appologies for, what you believe is your business, whatever makes you happy. I'm just a curious soul, trying to understand the ways you're thinking and seeing the world.

As long as Jesus make you spend all your time in this Godly forum, we are more than happy to answer to you. Even when you don't like those answers, in your heart you know that we are right.

[Jacob L.]

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Why do you keep answering me? I thought you were so sick and tired of me, so why do you bother reading my posts?

Why would I want you to appologies? You have nothing to appologies for, what you believe is your business, whatever makes you happy. I'm just a curious soul, trying to understand the ways you're thinking and seeing the world.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Jacob,

Once again you seem incapable of realising that we make no apology for preaching from the Bible. God wants you to be afraid of Him and Jesus tells you to be afraid of God. You're supposed to live your life constantly tortured with fear of offending God by breaking His commandments and the very real possibility of going to Hell.

We make no apology for this. Would you rather we lied to you and said it was OK and God was just kidding when He said if you don't believe deep in your heart because He can see your thoughts you will burn?

When you finally realise the Truth you are going to feel so silly for all your little rants to us.
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[Jacob L.]

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It doesn't matter one bit what YOU believe in. God tells us that hell is a very real place, and YOU are going to spend eternity there unless you repent, and I mean now.

Hell is chock full of fools like you.

Well I'll probably have to get used to it, since these "fools" are the ones I can relate to at the moment.
From your icons I can see that you take joy in your believe that I (and others) are going to hell. Shouldn't you as a good christian try to save the lost souls? Mocking has never been a motivating tool, as I see it.

[Jacob L.]

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I'm glad you could answer your own question. A false conversion based in fear -- just SAYING you believe when you don't -- is no conversion. God knows what is in your heart.

I read this story on laststophell.com/hell

http://laststophell.com/hell/vision4.html

If I assume the story is true and he actually had that experience. It tells me that he found Jesus and he probably went to heaven when his life ended. Very nice and good for him, that he found something to calm him.
But I can not stop to think that telling a story like this, is a way of trying to install fear into people who are non-believers. In the same way that people in here are constantly trying to make me fear death, cause I'm gonna spend an eternity in hell. Fear is a very powerfull tool, that we humans use partly to get are points across but we also use it when there's something we don't understand. So instead of making an effort trying to understand it, we label it evil, and we get other people to join us, because we share the fear of the unknown. It's merely a way of protecting ourselfs from what we can not comprehend. In my point of view this goes for religion aswell.

It would be quite a commute.

It's easier for Americans to become Christian because we have a support network here in this country. In Europistan, surrounded by atheists and muslims, it is much more difficult to even find a Bible, much less other Christians to worship with.

Right, I'm not sure that our public transportation works that well over here.
Ok, you have a strong network in the United States of America or should I say United States from All over the world.
Through the history of your country, you've had a lot of immigration. Your population is widely founded on people coming from all over Europe, correct me if I'm wrong, but mainly Italy and Ireland. You also have a lot of immigrants from Asia, and of course alle the imported people from Africa. This means that you're populated by a lot of people with different backgrounds and different believes. So in what way does that differ from other parts of the world, like Europe for example?

Most people don't. They tell their friends what they want to hear. Why? Because they want their friends to be happy and to like them; they don't want to help their friends in a meaningful way. That could cost the lukewarm Christian some popularity!


That's the height of selfishness, allowing your friends to be tormented forever because you feared offending them or losing their friendship.

Don't we all? The way I see it, you're doing the excact same thing! You tell your friends what they want to hear, by cuoting the Bible, so that you won't be excluded. You wouldn't have the guts to tell them different, if you were ever in doubt!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I'm not that worried, since I don't really believe in life after death.

It doesn't matter one bit what YOU believe in. God tells us that hell is a very real place, and YOU are going to spend eternity there unless you repent, and I mean now.

Hell is chock full of fools like you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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And even though I started believing, it wouldn't matter, cause I'd still hang on to my friends....I'm doomed!

If you started believing, you wouldn't 'hang on to your friends'. You would realize that they offend God. You would want your friends to join you in Heaven, instead of knowing that because you failed to help them see the Light of Jesus' Love, they would spend eternity in torment, being burned alive forever and ever in God's Lake of Fire.

Assuming you have any compassion, that is, or that you actually care about your friends enough to tell them what they need to hear.

Most people don't. They tell their friends what they want to hear. Why? Because they want their friends to be happy and to like them; they don't want to help their friends in a meaningful way. That could cost the lukewarm Christian some popularity!

That's the height of selfishness, allowing your friends to be tormented forever because you feared offending them or losing their friendship.

Now your answer will be that GOD is always right.

Well, by definition, He pretty much IS always right. Considering He defines what is right, and all . . .

What about the freedom of thought? I have a hard time beliveing that all christian understand the Bible in the excact same way. And to me that points towards individual interpitation.

Not really. The Bible is pretty clear-cut. Obey the commands and believe and love and worship Jesus, go to Heaven. Disobey the commands, or disbelieve, spend eternity here -->

I'm not that worried, since I don't really believe in life after death.

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A question how soon/late is it possible to convert to be able to go to heaven?

Why do you care, if you don't believe in life after death?

For instance if I lie on my deathbed and get scared of dying and scared of actually being tortured for ever, will that be to late? (I guess it will)

I'm glad you could answer your own question. A false conversion based in fear -- just SAYING you believe when you don't -- is no conversion. God knows what is in your heart.

What do you have to accomplish before being accepted in heaven?

See John 3:18 for a starting point. Then read the rest of the Bible and obey God's commands. They're not suggestions or recommendations, but Commands.

Also I read something on the site, that you have to be an American to be accepted. If someone like me from Europe wanted to join your church, would that be impossible then?

It would be quite a commute.

It's easier for Americans to become Christian because we have a support network here in this country. In Europistan, surrounded by atheists and muslims, it is much more difficult to even find a Bible, much less other Christians to worship with.