Please Read James Hutchins

[GodLover09]

Hello, this is my 3rd account on this forum due to the fact that I have already been banned twice for reasons I disagree with. I was banned simply because my first username was "NotATroll2" and Bob4God told me to go to hell because I was, in fact, a troll. I was trying to emphasize with that username that I am here for serious discussion. So I copied and pasted the message that I was typing out in a thread prior to my ban, and I created the username "DoNotBanPlease" and I was banned immediately after by James Hutchins for posting my lengthy post due to "spam" without paying the fee required for spamming posts.

Please give me the benefit of the doubt. I understand I have differing opinions then you, but censoring me is not going to change the fact that there are many people in the world that have different views. I was respectfully trying to post my thoughts and was even asking for a response from readers and what their opinions were. I understand how you guys must moderate this forum quickly because it obviously generates a lot of hate due to the extreme opinions expressed here, but I would greatly love to discuss said opinions so perhaps I could learn a bit and maybe you guys could do the same.

If being on this forum as a Lutheran Church goer for 10 years that has since become undecided on religion is against your policy, then at the very least, tell me this when you ban me. Thanks!

NOTE: I was banned as a person with the username “Brennen” by James Hutchins before I had the opportunity to make this post, and have since then made a new profile.

[GodLover09]

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I do not know how to edit posts, but I will note here that I just read that this is NOT a debate forum. Although I had no opportunity to show it due to me being reported or "spam" incorrectly, I would still love the chance to respectfully discuss issues that we may disagree on. Being an undecided and seeing sites like this so eager to censor any opinions that differ from their own definitely moves me away from the Lord. I wish to seek knowledge and alternative points of views from this website. If you are going to ban me, please do not say it is due to spam or not paying some sort of fee. Instead, tell me that I am using the forum incorrectly.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Being an undecided and seeing sites like this so eager to censor any opinions that differ from their own definitely moves me away from the Lord.

Then your faith must not be very strong.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Being an undecided and seeing sites like this so eager to censor any opinions that differ from their own definitely moves me away from the Lord.

Obviously you are going to insist on burning in Hell no matter what we say. You admit that, on the one hand, you want to have a disagreement with us. Then on the other hand you say that because we do not want to have a disagreement with you, this only makes you want to have a disagreement even more. It sounds to me like you are a very disagreeable person, and I'm sure Jesus would agree with me.

It is beyond me why none of my colleagues have issued an infraction or banned you for this disrespect. I will have faith that the Lord will find some way to bring you into the fold, or at least send you to Hell before you have the chance to rape the minds of the young with your lies.

[GodLover09]

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Then your faith must not be very strong.

I am not sure if that post was meant to be condescending, and I apologize if I misinterpreted it Pastor. Regardless, I take no offense to my faith being insulted because it is, in fact, not very strong. I understand that I come from a different sect of Christianity then your church, but I believe both sects follow the same principles; although your sect is much more strict. The way I have been treated here thus far just makes me feel like your church is more concerned with censoring me because of my different ideas instead of addressing these ideas and using arguments to try and show me an alternative path. In no means do I wish to call your church intolerant or unloving, but this is just my perspective as of now.

[VictoryOS]

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What is there to discuss?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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In no means do I wish to call your church intolerant or unloving, but this is just my perspective as of now.

Please click the first link in my signature for my sermon on who we are to love.

[GodLover09]

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Obviously you are going to insist on burning in Hell no matter what we say. You admit that, on the one hand, you want to have a disagreement with us. Then on the other hand you say that because we do not want to have a disagreement with you, this only makes you want to have a disagreement even more. It sounds to me like you are a very disagreeable person, and I'm sure Jesus would agree with me.

It is beyond me why none of my colleagues have issued an infraction or banned you for this disrespect. I will have faith that the Lord will find some way to bring you into the fold, or at least send you to Hell before you have the chance to rape the minds of the young with your lies.

Nice to meet you Billy. Let me start off by saying that I am offended by your response. I am a 17 year old male, and it is not that I want to have a disagreement with you and your colleagues, it is just that I do have a disagreement and I cannot help it. The mind inherently thinks about things, and somewhere along the lines in my development, mind just thinks differently then you. And I do not believe my statement was contradicting because I believe there is a difference between you guys "not wanting to have a disagreement with me" and censoring me. Your disagreement with my opinions has thus far been practically nonexistent. Instead, I have been banned/censored for reasons unrelated to what I have said.

Now let me just reiterate that I am offended you assume that I wish to rape the minds of the youth. I do not believe I have the moral superiority to tell the youth what is right and wrong, so I will not be going around corrupting the youth. The only youth whose opinions I will subject to are my own children.

Lastly, you said you were surprised that I was not banned by now for my disrespect. However, I saw little to no disrespect in my post. Please, can you define for me what disrespect is or link me to the appropriate thread? There is obviously a very large gap between our definitions. I am seriously wondering and not trying to be condescending.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I do not believe I have the moral superiority to tell the youth what is right and wrong

But everything you have said so far is implicitly believed by you, and you are expecting me the listener to believe it, or you would not have said it. So unless you mean you will not speak to youth in any capacity, I'd have to say you are lying again.

Lastly, you said you were surprised that I was not banned by now for my disrespect. However, I saw little to no disrespect in my post. Please, can you define for me what disrespect is or link me to the appropriate thread? There is obviously a very large gap between our definitions. I am seriously wondering and not trying to be condescending.

Lying is disrespectful. Not accepting the miraculous temporary sacrifice and conditional love and forgiveness of Jesus is disrespectful. Need I go on?

There is no difference in our definitions. There is a difference in our perception. You are oblivious to your own flaws. To me, they are obvious. You think you are perfect, but only God is perfect. God and TRUE Christians(tm), that is.

[GodLover09]

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What is there to discuss?

I believe that it is incredibly difficult to delineate between what God said and what Churches say. However, the bible is obviously the best place to start in my opinion. That being said, the bible, like any other document, can be interpreted in a variety of ways and our perception of it is ultimately variable from person to person. I understand the argument you are trying to convey and I am not trying to say God's words are incorrect. Instead, I am trying to state that I do not understand WHAT God's words are.

Please click the first link in my signature for my sermon on who we are to love.

I apologize for being totally ignorant on many of your beliefs Pastor. I understand I am supposed to read and digest all the crucial posts, but it is truly overwhelming and my priorities were focused elsewhere with this forum. I thank you for your definition, and I will be sure to reference this as I try to come to an understanding of what your church stands for and correlate it with my own life.

What I wonder is why you feel the need to shun and ignore nonbelievers. I understand the line from Corinthians 5:15 "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" is very stark in its meaning, but what I do not understand is how you can undermine other lines of the bible and accept the ones that support your argument. When I was in church, I was younger and we did very trite things, so my ability to analyze the bible is very minimal. However, it appears as if there is a double standard here. I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful, I am just simply wonder how you are able to justify this? The logic does not add up to me and I wish to gain your perspective. If you choose to ignore me and this question, then I apologize for wasting your time Pastor

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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what I do not understand is how you can undermine other lines of the bible and accept the ones that support your argument.

Are you suggesting that the Bible contains contradictions? I assure you it does not. If it did then everyone would be going to Hell and that would not be fair to those of us who have ignored mountains of evidence and invested every ounce of available energy in maintaining immutable faith in God's well disguised existence to show Him how much we love Him and worship Him.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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What I wonder is why you feel the need to shun and ignore nonbelievers. I understand the line from Corinthians 5:15 "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" is very stark in its meaning, but what I do not understand is how you can undermine other lines of the bible and accept the ones that support your argument.

Such as? I would invite you to use the scriptures to show what I have undermined in favor of my own interpretation.

I was under the impression that I was following it most closely weighing everything, but I am merely a man and could be in error. Feel free to enlighten me.

[VictoryOS]

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However, the bible is obviously the best place to start in my opinion.

Well, you've made it halfway to the Truth then! The Bible (note capitalization) is the best place to start and the best place to end. Our Lord is THE Best Selling Author because He wrote the Book on Truth! Sing praise!

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[GodLover09]

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But everything you have said so far is implicitly believed by you, and you are expecting me the listener to believe it, or you would not have said it. So unless you mean you will not speak to youth in any capacity, I'd have to say you are lying again.

That was a very thick concept for me to wrap my head around. However, I never claimed to say that you should believe everything I said.

I would greatly love to discuss said opinions so perhaps I could learn a bit and maybe you guys could do the same.

I believe that you are being disrespectful to me in the sense that you either completely ignored this statement or chose not to address and state why you believe it is wrong. I said that I hoped you guys would read through my opinions and PERHAPS actually value my thoughts. I never attempted to instill my beliefs on you or claim that I am absolutely correct. Instead, I leave that choice entirely up to you. I have also said that you can choose to ignore me since that is what your faith allows you to do, and I will be absolutely fine with that.

Lying is disrespectful. Not accepting the miraculous temporary sacrifice and conditional love and forgiveness of Jesus is disrespectful. Need I go on?

There is no difference in our definitions. There is a difference in our perception. You are oblivious to your own flaws. To me, they are obvious. You think you are perfect, but only God is perfect. God and TRUE Christians™, that is.

I am in no way oblivious to my flaws. I masturbate every now and then which is incredibly degrading to women and is a very shallow and lowly act to perform. I use foul language frequently and enjoy it; however I do not know why. The last month I have begun working out because I realized that I am physically weak and I must work on this. I understand that I am not perfect, and that is why I always strive for self betterment. As far as not accepting Jesus as my savior, I do not believe that I am being disrespectful in that aspect. Why? I am trying to come to an understanding of his reign that will work for me, and I believe that he would respect that I am trying to improve despite my past faults. As far as lying goes, I have not lied in these posts at all. Truth, again, is an objective thing. Everything I have posted here, I whole heartedly believe is the truth. So please explain to me why I have lied without misconstruing my words and contorting them into something they explicitly did not mean.

[GodLover09]

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Such as? I would invite you to use the scriptures to show what I have undermined in favor of my own interpretation.

I was under the impression that I was following it most closely weighing everything, but I am merely a man and could be in error. Feel free to enlighten me.

As I stated, I am in no way well studied on the bible. As far as me trying to enlighten you, I know I will most likely fail because The Bible (thanks to whoever corrected my lack of capitalizing beforehand) is a document as previously stated, and I can interpret it one way and you the other. Due to this simple fact, the argument will boil down to me holding a firm belief that I am right due to this line, and you correct due to that line. I have used the internet to try and aid me in my quest to find a contradiction in the bible, and here is a very simple example.

"God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31"
"God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6"

Having not read The Bible in many years, I understand that this was probably used by some skeptical website to find a simplistic contradiction, yet it could be out of context. If "his works" are both referring to the same works and The Bible should be taken literally word for word, then my question is if, according to your belief, God should be allowed to contradict himself. I understand this was Genesis and the formation of all things was just beginning, but it appears to me that He contradicted himself here no matter what it was. As an all knowing God that is perfect, he should be flawless and make it right the first time.

These are the types of serious questions that have led me away and my Church has not provided me with answers to various questions of the like that will quell my restless mind.