Prove it

[Joshua.Wright]

I realize this would better belong in the "Creation Science" forum, however I simply can't find anything on this site that I can post on without everyone thinking I'm "going to hell".

The point of this forum is simple, prove to me the following facts
1. The world is flat
2. all women who make something out of themselves will go to hell.
3. the Earth has boundaries.
And 4. (here's the big one) god exists

Please note that any circular reasoning, such as Bible verses or "Because I said so", along with people who get off topic by saying things like "Your an athiest" or "Your going to hell" will be taken with a grain of salt.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Prove it

I realize this would better belong in the "Creation Science" forum, however I simply can't find anything on this site that I can post on without everyone thinking I'm "going to hell".

The point of this forum is simple, prove to me the following facts
1. The world is flat

Prove it isn't.

2. all women who make something out of themselves will go to hell.

Huh? Where did we say that? Depends on what something they make themselves into.

3. the Earth has boundaries.

Are you saying it's infinite?

And 4. (here's the big one) god exists

Prove He doesn't.

Wow, that was easy.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Prove it

I realize this would better belong in the "Creation Science" forum, however I simply can't find anything on this site that I can post on without everyone thinking I'm "going to hell".

The point of this forum is simple, prove to me the following facts
1. The world is flat
2. all women who make something out of themselves will go to hell.
3. the Earth has boundaries.
And 4. (here's the big one) god exists

Please note that any circular reasoning, such as Bible verses or "Because I said so", along with people who get off topic by saying things like "Your an athiest" or "Your going to hell" will be taken with a grain of salt.

You are missing the point of faith entirely. The desire for proof is a moral issue, not an intellectual one. If you demand proof, that is proof that you are immoral. That is why God punishes those who do not believe in accordance with John 3:16-18. If a desire for proof was consistent with morality, then why would a just God punish skeptics for all eternity?

Believe because it is the right thing to do.

[Jedediah]

Re: Prove it

I realize this would better belong in the "Creation Science" forum, however I simply can't find anything on this site that I can post on without everyone thinking I'm "going to hell".

That's probably because you are going to hell unless you make some serious life-changes, pronto.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1. The world is flat

If the earth was spherical, then no matter how tall the tree grew in Daniel's vision, he would have had a limited horizon. But because he was able to see the entire world, the earth must be flat.

Daniel 4:10-11
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

Similarly, Jesus was taken on high when the devil was trying to tempt Him and saw all the world's kingdoms simultaneously. This would not be possible if some of those kingdoms were on the other side of a supposed globular "planet."

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

There are numerous other examples where the Scriptures assure us that the earth is flat, but you seem too thick-headed to even be willing to grasp the breathtaking majesty of God's Word.

2. all women who make something out of themselves will go to hell.

Not true. Women who make themselves into obedient helpmeets and give their husbands a quiver full of children shall be Saved.

I Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

3. the Earth has boundaries.

Go to Biblegateway.com, pick the King James Version (the only valid version), and do a search for "ends of the earth." You will find numerous verses of Scripture proving that the earth has boundaries. You can only go so far east or west before Intelligent Pulling brings you back around. Interestingly enough, we learn from the Book of Isaiah that the earth is actually a circle, but one with four corners. Our God is truly an awesome God!

Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

And 4. (here's the big one) god exists

Can you see air, son? You can no more breathe without air than you can form a coherent thought or go about the matter of simply existing without God. The proof is all around you. Just look at all the design all around you!

If you were in the middle of a desert and came across a Rolex watch, you would have to concede that the watch had a creator, would you not? Watches simply don't form themselves or happen "by accident" like you self-deluded fools tell yourself. You and everything around you exists because God willed it into being. You may choose to deny the Truth all around you, but your lack of belief will not change the facts. Just as if you decided to deny the existence of air, you would not immediately begin to suffocate.

You can pretend all the way to your deathbed that God doesn't exist. It doesn't change the fact that a beautiful mansion awaits me in Heaven, where I will bask in Christ's radiant glory for all eternity. If, because of your addiction to sin, you persist in your denial and don't wake up to the Truth printed even on your black, twisted heart, you will find yourself spending eternity in much more inhospitable conditions (Revelation 21:8). Is your sin addiction really worth spending eternity enduring unfathomable torments?

I can't say I'm surprised by your type, though. Indeed, God told us to expect as much in these last days.

Jude 1:16-19
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Please note that any circular reasoning, such as Bible verses or "Because I said so", along with people who get off topic by saying things like "Your an athiest" or "Your going to hell" will be taken with a grain of salt.

You do realize you're on a Christian forum, don't you, son? Do we come to your forums and tell you to stop masturbating and cutting yourself? You're a guest here, and I suggest you act accordingly.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Prove it

I realize this would better belong in the "Creation Science" forum, however I simply can't find anything on this site that I can post on without everyone thinking I'm "going to hell".

The point of this forum is simple, prove to me the following facts
1. The world is flat
2. all women who make something out of themselves will go to hell.
3. the Earth has boundaries.
And 4. (here's the big one) god exists

Please note that any circular reasoning, such as Bible verses or "Because I said so", along with people who get off topic by saying things like "Your an athiest" or "Your going to hell" will be taken with a grain of salt.

Friend, the mere existence of everything is proof enough for any half way intelligent man. If you want to live a life of lies, so beit. God did give you 'free will'. The least you could do is thank Him for it.

[Joshua.Wright]

Re: Prove it

Prove it isn't.

Huh? Where did we say that? Depends on what something they make themselves into.

Are you saying it's infinite?

Prove He doesn't.

Wow, that was easy.

1. If it was, then Japan and America would have day and night at the same time.

2. By make something of themselves I meant do something other than cook and clean for you.

3. No, I mean that we can go anywhere on the earth (To see why I asked this go to the first page of the Minecraft forum in "Satans Entertainment")

4. If he did why would there be sickness in this world, because even the people labelled as True Christians get sick.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Prove it

1. If it was, then Japan and America would have day and night at the same time...

Please see this thread: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT! Your answer is somewhere in there, and I don't have time right now to dig through 600+ pages.

...3. No, I mean that we can go anywhere on the earth...

How would being on a flat Earth preclude this?

...4. If he did why would there be sickness in this world, because even the people labelled as True Christians get sick.

Prove it.

Have a great day!

[Jedediah]

Re: Prove it

1. If it was, then Japan and America would have day and night at the same time.

Wrong. The sun is mobile, and it goes where God wants it to go. He can even make it stand still if it pleases Him.

Isaiah 38:8
Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

Joshua 10:12-13Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

2. By make something of themselves I meant do something other than cook and clean for you.

Then explain what you do mean. I've got better things to do, like praising the LORD, than to try to decipher the mental diarrhea emanating from some mealy-mouthed pubescent.

3. No, I mean that we can go anywhere on the earth (To see why I asked this go to the first page of the Minecraft forum in "Satans Entertainment")

Why would boundaries at the edges of the Earth prevent you from going anywhere on the Earth? The Earth is what we Creation Scientists call a closed system, bounded by pillars (and foundation) below and the firmament above. While it's true that space travel is a secularist hoax designed to lead people astray from God, there is nothing preventing you from going to any point on the Earth's surface.

4. If he did why would there be sickness in this world, because even the people labelled as True Christians get sick.

If it pleases the LORD to make people sick, who are we to question that? Not only is His beauty found in the world, but also the tragedy and horror He has shown time and time again to be more than willing to unleash on the world.

Exodus 4:11
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Sure, there is ample evidence of the LORD's glory in pretty flowers and beautiful sunsets, but you should also recognize His hand when you see a child with bone cancer or a baby lamb with a worm burrowing through its eye, causing it a painful and slow death.

Christianity isn't all sugar plums, lollipops and sunshine, bucko. I suggest you pull your head out of your ass and recognize the breathtaking majesty of the LORD for what it is.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Prove it

...people who get off topic by saying things like "Your an athiest" or "Your going to hell" will be taken with a grain of salt.

Well I guess I don't have to worry, in that case, because I would never dream of typing "Your and atheist" or "Your going to Hell."

Parenthetically, however, it is worth noting that you're and atheist, and you're going to Hell.

[havved]

Re: Prove it

But we can see the Earth is round when we are in a very flat area and cannot see beyond the horizon, as it drops away due to the curvature of the Earth.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Prove it

But we can see the Earth is round when we are in a very flat area and cannot see beyond the horizon, as it drops away due to the curvature of the Earth.

Halved? What kind of name is Halved? Is that some kind of sly reference to the following?

1 Kings 3:24-28

24And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king.

25And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.

26Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it.

27Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.

28And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

Probably not, because if were familiar with scripture, you surely wouldn't be making asinine statements about the Earth being curved.

Anyway, if you had bothered to read the rules and posted a proper introduction, we'd already know a little something about you, and I wouldn't be forced to guess.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Prove it

If it was, then Japan and America would have day and night at the same time.

Have you ever been in Japan and America at the same time?

NO.

Jesus wins again!!!



YiC,

Zech

[Didymus Much]

Re: Prove it

But we can see the Earth is round when we are in a very flat area and cannot see beyond the horizon, as it drops away due to the curvature of the Earth.

Ah, but the bolded part is an assumption you've made, and you're now dealing with confirmation bias (looking for the answer you expect increases the likelihood of finding it). That's poor science.

You've seen a mirage, right? Mirages occur due to temperature gradients (different layers of warmer and cooler air) in the atmosphere, and actually bend the light rays travelling through the air. To really determine whether the fact that you cannot see past the "horizon" (which is only and quite loosely defined as "the line or circle that forms the apparent boundary between earth and sky"), you'd have to prove that the mirage effect is not responsible. When you were standing in your "very flat area", did you measure the temperature of the air not only at various distances all around you, but at different elevations as well? If not, you're just taking someone's word for the "fact" that the earth is spherical, you haven't demonstrated it (using that test) at all.

Science is fun, but it's usually harder than it looks to actually prove things.

[Joshua.Wright]

Re: Prove it

Have you ever been in Japan and America at the same time?

NO.

Jesus wins again!!!



YiC,

Zech

No but a flight from my city to Japan (which I have done before) takes about 12 hours. The flight I took left at 11:00am, so it was 11:00pm in my time when I got there, if both places had the same day and night, then it would have been dark when I got there but it was still broad daylight.

But if you still don't like that example how about this? imagine you were looking out at the ocean, by your logic, we should be able to see all the way across the ocean, however, that isn't the case. You would see only until the earth curved.

Logic wins again!!!

[handmaiden]

Re: Prove it

No but a flight from my city to Japan (which I have done before) takes about 12 hours. The flight I took left at 11:00am, so it was 11:00pm in my time when I got there, if both places had the same day and night, then it would have been dark when I got there but it was still broad daylight.

But if you still don't like that example how about this? imagine you were looking out at the ocean, by your logic, we should be able to see all the way across the ocean, however, that isn't the case. You would see only until the earth curved.

Logic wins again!!!

You keep popping up on different threads but you clearly haven't taken the time to think about what we are saying. You make weak claims about believing in God and being a Christian but never indicate the slightest familarity with scripture and now you try to beat us with your so-called "logic".

Joshua, if logic really ruled the world, then we wouldn't be here.


Truthfully Yours,

Handmaiden