New here, not a believer, came to observe

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

My next question would be, the KJV bible was not the first bible written. How are you sure that there were not translation/transcription errors from one copy to the next?

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[Jedediah]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

While I am here however, I ask, for such believers of God, why are you so judgment. I was flagged as "Atheist Scum" on my infraction, which has me question exactly how Christian you really are. What happened to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Would you appreciate it if you joined my group and I flagged your posts as "Christian Scum", then calling your post a mockery of my groups beliefs? I noticed newcomers are also titled "Unsaved Trash". Why is a "Christian" group so judgmental? Are you not committing the same atrocities that the Romans did to Jesus?

As Christians, it is our prerogative to judge the unsaved. However, nobody may judge us, lest they do so hypocritically and bring divine punishment down upon their heads.

I Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

If anyone is to cast the first stone, it is us.

My next question would be, the KJV bible was not the first bible written. How are you sure that there were not translation/transcription errors from one copy to the next?

The King James Version ©1611 was commissioned when the Godly Puritans discovered inaccuracies in previous English translations of the Holy Bible. The King James Authorized Version ©1611 is not only as good as the original Greek and Hebrew, it is better!

There are three "translations" spoken of in the Bible. In all three cases, the translation referred to is better than the original. Since we accept the Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice, the Bible's "practice" will have more authority than any "mere human" opinion.

The first "translation" found in Scripture is found in II Samuel 3:7-10:

And Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah: and Ishbosheth said to Abner, Wherefore hast thou gone in unto my father's concubine? Then was Abner very wroth for the words of Ishbosheth, and said, Am I a dog's head, which against Judah do shew kindness this day unto the house of Saul thy father, to his brethren, and to his friends, and have not delivered thee into the hand of David, that thou chargest me to day with a fault concerning this woman?
So do God to Abner, and more also, except, as the LORD hath sworn to David, even so I do to him;
To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.

After the death of King Saul in I Samuel 31, Abner, who had been the captain of Saul's army installed Ishbosheth as King instead of David (II Samuel 12:8,9). Later Ishbosheth and Abner had a falling out. Abner, in anger, announces to Ishbosheth that he is going to "translate" the Kingdom of Israel from Ishbosheth to David.

It is obvious by Abner's statement of II Samuel 3:9 that the LORD wanted David to be king over all twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore, the "translation" of the kingdom of Israel to David was BETTER than the "original" state which has a split kingdom with David rightly ruling over one portion and Ishbosheth wrongly ruling over the other section.

The second "translation" found in Scripture is found in Colossians 1:13:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Here the "translation" spoken of is the conversion of a lost sinner to a new life in Jesus Christ. No one in their right mind could even pretend that this translation is not a massive improvement over the "original" condition.

The third "translation" found in Scripture is found in Hebrews 11:5:

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The word "translate" only appears five times in scripture. Once in II Samuel, once in Colossians and the remaining three times here in Hebrews 11:5.

A Christian with even a shallow knowledge of the Bible is familiar with the story of Enoch from Genesis 5. Enoch walked with God and is known to have pleased God. He was a prophet (Judges 14) and a man of faith. God saw fit to physically take Enoch to Heaven so that he would not have to experience death. This individual action is a miniature version of what Christians call "The Rapture," mentioned in I Corinthians 15, I Thessalonians 4, Titus 2 and various other places in the Bible. Since the word "Rapture" appears nowhere in Scripture, a more proper name for this future occurrence might be "The Blessed Hope" (Titus) or "The Catching Up" (I Thessalonians) of "Our Translation" (Hebrews).

It is obvious that Enoch's translation was an improvement over his original condition.

Thus we see that every "translation" in our final authority on all matters is an improvement over the original.

If you are a simple Bible believer you will have no trouble accepting this. If you worship education or just hate to be wrong, you will reject this Bible Fact as easily as you have rejected every Bible Fact that you couldn't agree with.

Now which will you follow son, the Bible or men?

[James Hutchins]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

While some of these, I understand were used towards persons, how do you know some were not used in the literal sense, such as Dogs and Swine?

My next question would be, the KJV bible was not the first bible written. How are you sure that there were not translation/transcription errors from one copy to the next?

Friend, you have a lot of questions. Obviously, you are questioning your own beliefs. Perhaps it is time for you and Jesus to sit down the KJV Bible and read it. Together.

[John Creeser]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

While I am here however, I ask, for such believers of God, why are you so judgment. I was flagged as "Atheist Scum" on my infraction, which has me question exactly how Christian you really are. What happened to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Would you appreciate it if you joined my group and I flagged your posts as "Christian Scum", then calling your post a mockery of my groups beliefs? I noticed newcomers are also titled "Unsaved Trash". Why is a "Christian" group so judgmental? Are you not committing the same atrocities that the Romans did to Jesus?

True Christians(tm) are commissioned to judge friend, as commanded by scripture;

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

2nd Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2nd Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2nd Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2nd Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

YOU being a filthy atheist are UNSAVED TRASH headed straight to hell.

[Bob4God]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

For somebody who came to "observe," you sure do interact with us a lot.

I think, deep down, you really do believe in GOD, like all atheists, and you want to be saved like us!

It's okay if you're shy or unsure how to ask us to help you get saved. But you don't need to feel bashful, we deal with all kinds of sick, disgusting sinners and depraved sex fiends every day.

Nothing you confess will shock us.

[Kyle_Moher]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

All the time. He even called His followers idiots when they weren't getting it.

"DOGS" Matt. 7:6 Jesus said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs" (see also 2 Peter 2:20-22, Rev. 22:15)
"SWINE" Matt. 7:6 "...neither cast your pearls before swine"
"VIPERS" Matt. 3:7 "O generation of vipers..." (see also Matt. 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7)
"HYPOCRITES" Matt.6:2 "...as the hypocrites in the synagogues..." (see also Matt.6:5, 16, 15:7, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 29, 24:51, Mark 7:6, Luke 11:44, 12:56)
"CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL" John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil..." (see also Acts 13:10)
"PERVERSE" Mat. 17:17"...O faithless and perverse generation" (see also Luke 9:41, Acts 20:30, Phil. 2:15, 1Tim. 6:5)
"REPROBATE" 2Cor 13:5-7 "...except ye be reprobates" (see also Rom 1:28, 2Tim. 3:8, Tit. 1:16)
"HEATHEN" Mat. 6:7 "...as the heathen do" (see also Mat.18:17, Act 4:25, 2Cor. 11:26, Gal. 1:16, 2:9, 3:8)
"FOOLS" Mat. 23:17 "...Ye fools and blind" (see also Luke 12:20, 1Cor.15:36, Mat.23:19, Luke 11:40, 24:25, Eph. 5:15)
"WICKED AND ADULTEROUS" Mat. 16:4 "A wicked and adulterous generation" (see also Mat. 12:45, 13:49, 18:32, 21:41, 25:26, Luke 19:22, 1Cor. 5:13, 2Thes. 3:2, 2Pet. 2:7, 3:17)
"O YE OF LITTLE FAITH" (Christ's favorite name for His apostles!) Mat.6:30, 8:26, 14:31, etc., etc., etc.

While some of these, I understand were used towards persons, how do you know some were not used in the literal sense, such as Dogs and Swine?

My next question would be, the KJV bible was not the first bible written. How are you sure that there were not translation/transcription errors from one copy to the next?

[Levi Jones]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

Did Jesus called his opposition "scum" and "trash" when they refused to follow him?

All the time. He even called His followers idiots when they weren't getting it.

"DOGS" Matt. 7:6 Jesus said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs" (see also 2 Peter 2:20-22, Rev. 22:15)
"SWINE" Matt. 7:6 "...neither cast your pearls before swine"
"VIPERS" Matt. 3:7 "O generation of vipers..." (see also Matt. 12:34, 23:33 and Luke 3:7)
"HYPOCRITES" Matt.6:2 "...as the hypocrites in the synagogues..." (see also Matt.6:5, 16, 15:7, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 29, 24:51, Mark 7:6, Luke 11:44, 12:56)
"CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL" John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil..." (see also Acts 13:10)
"PERVERSE" Mat. 17:17"...O faithless and perverse generation" (see also Luke 9:41, Acts 20:30, Phil. 2:15, 1Tim. 6:5)
"REPROBATE" 2Cor 13:5-7 "...except ye be reprobates" (see also Rom 1:28, 2Tim. 3:8, Tit. 1:16)
"HEATHEN" Mat. 6:7 "...as the heathen do" (see also Mat.18:17, Act 4:25, 2Cor. 11:26, Gal. 1:16, 2:9, 3:8)
"FOOLS" Mat. 23:17 "...Ye fools and blind" (see also Luke 12:20, 1Cor.15:36, Mat.23:19, Luke 11:40, 24:25, Eph. 5:15)
"WICKED AND ADULTEROUS" Mat. 16:4 "A wicked and adulterous generation" (see also Mat. 12:45, 13:49, 18:32, 21:41, 25:26, Luke 19:22, 1Cor. 5:13, 2Thes. 3:2, 2Pet. 2:7, 3:17)
"O YE OF LITTLE FAITH" (Christ's favorite name for His apostles!) Mat.6:30, 8:26, 14:31, etc., etc., etc.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

No, I read that. Again, calling things such as scum, and unsaved trash are NOT Christian however. Did Jesus called his opposition "scum" and "trash" when they refused to follow him? Did he insult the Romans when they crucified him?

I'd appreciate some direct quotes in regards to when Jesus ever insulted another person.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

[Kyle_Moher]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

I'm guessing that someone didn't read the thread that you're supposed to read before posting.

No, I read that. Again, calling things such as scum, and unsaved trash are NOT Christian however. Did Jesus called his opposition "scum" and "trash" when they refused to follow him? Did he insult the Romans when they crucified him?

I'd appreciate some direct quotes in regards to when Jesus ever insulted another person.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

While I am here however, I ask, for such believers of God, why are you so judgment. I was flagged as "Atheist Scum" on my infraction, which has me question exactly how Christian you really are. What happened to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Would you appreciate it if you joined my group and I flagged your posts as "Christian Scum", then calling your post a mockery of my groups beliefs? I noticed newcomers are also titled "Unsaved Trash". Why is a "Christian" group so judgmental? Are you not committing the same atrocities that the Romans did to Jesus?

The "Do unto" verse you are looking for is this one:

(Luke 6:31) "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise."

So, you came in here, spouting non-Biblical rantings, being disrespectful to forum members, and ridiculing the very things we praise. Are you saying that you want us to go to the forums YOU frequent and act like that?



Sorry pal, we have more class than that.

YiC,

Zech

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

I'm guessing that someone didn't read the thread that you're supposed to read before posting.

[Kyle_Moher]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

While I am here however, I ask, for such believers of God, why are you so judgment. I was flagged as "Atheist Scum" on my infraction, which has me question exactly how Christian you really are. What happened to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Would you appreciate it if you joined my group and I flagged your posts as "Christian Scum", then calling your post a mockery of my groups beliefs? I noticed newcomers are also titled "Unsaved Trash". Why is a "Christian" group so judgmental? Are you not committing the same atrocities that the Romans did to Jesus?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: New here, not a believer, came to observe

If you only came here to observe, why are you posting? Why did you register? You can observe all you want without going to all that trouble.

Oh wait, I think I know why!

[Kyle_Moher]

I will inform you all right now, I am not a believer. I have been provided no logical evidence as to why I should believe in God. I have seen no educated theories or explanations as well.

I have posted twice on here prior to this post. The first, I was asked to come here and introduce myself. The second, I was given a warning for, after presenting an educated rebuttal towards a previously stated comment.

So here I am. I do not believe in God therefore I do not attend a church, and I have no favorite bible verses, as while I do believe the bible exists (It's quite obvious it does), I know it was written by man and therefore is fallible.