[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: What is a Mormon?

The Lord in His infinite wisdom and understanding foresaw the completion of the Book of Mormon(and it's beginning preceded that of the bible, mind you) along with the completion of the bible. The two are companions and act together in the convincing of men as to the power and glory of God.

That cannot be the case, since the Bible and the Book of Mormon contradict each other. Here are two examples, although there are others:

Where was Jesus born?

Luke 2:4-7: And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Alma 7:10: And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

When Jesus was crucified, how long did darkness cover the land?

Matt. 27:45: Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Helaman 14:20: But behold, as I said unto you concerning another sign, a sign of his death, behold, in that day that he shall suffer death the sun shall be darkened and refuse to give his light unto you; and also the moon and the stars; and there shall be no light upon the face of this land, even from the time that he shall suffer death, for the space of three days, to the time that he shall rise again from the dead.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: What is a Mormon?

Where in all of Christ's life did he go around bashing those around him, rather than show them patience and love?

In response to your question, I would direct you to Mark 11:15-19, Matt 21:12-13, Lk 19:45-46 and Jn 2:13-16, where Jesus cleansed the Temple in Jerusalem. John's account even tells us He made a whip of cords. The temple symbolises Christ's body (Jn 2:19-21), and Christ's body is His church (Rom 12:4-5, Eph 4:11-12). So when Jesus drove out those who did not belong from the Temple, He was setting an example of how His church was to be kept pure.

You have come here to Landover Baptist, Christ's body, His church. If you have come here to learn, well and good. But if you are here to deal in a false gospel, then the True Christians © here are justified in scourging you and driving you from His church.

In answer to the title of your thread — What Is a Mormon? — Conservapedia defines a Mormon as someone with an IQ of 50-80 but who is capable of living independently. The secular Wikipedia defines a Mormon as someone with a mental age between 8 and 12. Personally, I think Conservapedia is more accurate.

I once talked with a pair of Mormon missionaries who came to my door. They asked me why I wouldn't even entertain the possibility that the BOM might be divinely inspired. I quoted Rev 22:18b-19 — "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God doesn't want any more added to His word, the 1611 KJV. It ends with Revelation.

They tried to convince me that this passage applied to the book of Revelation only, that we are not to add or take away from the book of Revelation. They then drew from Roman Catholic mythology to bolster their argument, saying that Revelation was written before John's Gospel. So if John was written after Revelation, then I should also reject the Gospel of John.

I told them that Revelation was placed at the end of the Bible for a reason. John comes way before it. I also warned them that because they had added to God's word with the BOM, God would visit on them the plagues of Revelation.

I give you the same warning, friend.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: What is a Mormon?

Zech: I will get those passages for you. It'll prolly be a day or two as I need to look into it.

I would think that someone who had completed his mission would have needed to answer that question repeatedly. Why should it take you several days to find something that is the foundation of Mormon apologetics?

For the record, my responses will show the same courtesy and respect that the statement they are responding to showed. If you don't want me to say something untoward, don't say something yourself. We are all adults, and disciples of Christ, we can act like it too.

I am very eager to discuss things with you all, and for the most part am deeply enjoying this conversation, any hostility on my part is not personal.. only equal.

May I remind you, Aaron, that you are an uninvited guest on this Christian church's discussion forum, and a blasphemer who claims that Jesus and Satan are brothers.

You will behave in the manner of a guest, and if you do not like the responses you get from the members of this forum, you are at all times welcome to leave.

This is not your forum, and you do not tell True Christians(tm) how to behave here.

[LDSAaron]

Re: What is a Mormon?

What wonderfully varied and interesting responses!

I especially liked the bit about the various website definitions of 'Mormon'.

Some of these I would really love to respond to, but as I said I am not here to debate. This site is not a forum for debate but of learning so I accept your remarks and I have a few more questions for you, if you would be so kind to answer. You need not if you so wish.

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[Pim Pendergast]

Re: What is a Mormon?

What wonderfully varied and interesting responses!

I especially liked the bit about the various website definitions of 'Mormon'.

Some of these I would really love to respond to, but as I said I am not here to debate. This site is not a forum for debate but of learning so I accept your remarks and I have a few more questions for you, if you would be so kind to answer. You need not if you so wish.

My first question is: As a baptist, how do you view/feel about God, the Eternal Father? I am not asking for scriptural references. I mean on a personal level, using your own words.

How can you ask us how we feel about God the Father without quoting Scriptural references? Shouldn't the Bible tell us how to feel? In fact it does: "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him" (Lk 12:5).

My next question is: According to your faith, where were we before this mortal existence on earth, and what were we doing there?

We were doing nothing. The soul only comes into existence at the moment of conception. That's why abortion is wrong.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: What is a Mormon?

My next question is:

No. You haven't even answered mine. Why do you wear sooper secret magical underwear? Did the fraud con man Joseph Smith tell you to do this in his book of lies?

Do you have magic "seeing" rocks like your cult leader did?

In Christ

[Johnathan]

Re: What is a Mormon?

What wonderfully varied and interesting responses!

I especially liked the bit about the various website definitions of 'Mormon'.

Some of these I would really love to respond to, but as I said I am not here to debate. This site is not a forum for debate but of learning so I accept your remarks and I have a few more questions for you, if you would be so kind to answer. You need not if you so wish.

My first question is: As a baptist, how do you view/feel about God, the Eternal Father? I am not asking for scriptural references. I mean on a personal level, using your own words.

Look here LSD Aaron: Why would we follow the LORD's every word if we didn't fear his holy wrath?

My next question is: According to your faith, where were we before this mortal existence on earth, and what were we doing there?

Is this some kind of trickery? I suspect foul play.

[LDSAaron]

Re: What is a Mormon?

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[Levi Jones]

Re: What is a Mormon?

Are there any fathers here? If so, this is for you:

Do you love your children? Do you want them to love you? Do they? What kind of future do you want for them?

I am going somewhere with this, if you will bear with me.

What a stupid question.

Make your point without the idiotic rhetorical question.

[LDSAaron]

Re: What is a Mormon?

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[Johnathan]

Re: What is a Mormon?

@Johnathon:
That is so wonderful! I cannot wait to be a father myself someday. With your answers in mind, I now ask why would Our Heavenly Father's relationship with us be any different than your relationship with your children. I cannot imagine you wanting your children to burn eternally. How would that make you feel? Wouldnt you do everything in your power to help them to avoid that? As a disciple of Christ and our Heavenly Father don't you feel it is our responsibility to do all within our power to help His other children to be saved and come back to Him who loves us so dearly? DO you feel that bashing and attacking others is really the best or only way to do so? I highly doubt you speak to your children in the same manner that some of the members of this forum have addressed me.

I do what is best for my children; which means beating them to save their souls:

Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."
Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

[LDSAaron]

Re: What is a Mormon?

Hmm... I can accept that. What about the other questions?

[Johnathan]

Re: What is a Mormon?

Hmm... I can accept that. What about the other questions?

You may call it "Bashing and Attacking", I call it "Rebuking children for Christ":

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2nd Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

[LDSAaron]

Re: What is a Mormon?

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[Deaner]

Re: What is a Mormon?

Are there any fathers here? If so, this is for you:

Do you love your children? Do you want them to love you? Do they? What kind of future do you want for them?

I am going somewhere with this, if you will bear with me.

Ok, since you won't shut up; your children are not going to heaven when they die in their sore infested death bed. Why??

Because you DOUBT Christ!!

Over and over again you ask my brother True Christians whether your children will be ok; over and over again they tell you yes... yet you still ask questions.

Rot in hell you Doubting Thomas. You, your kids, parents, grandparents and anybody else you love (including any puppy dogs). We will laugh and puke on you from the heights of heaven because of your blasphemy and lack of faith in your Saviour.

Rot in the swamps of hell you bastard!!!