[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Open your mind

Thats hearsay. Mark used it as a scare tactic. I do not believe that jesus said that. The bible was written after his death and many lies wer put into it by evil people.

So you do not open your mind to the words of Jesus. You do not believe in the bible. You make these claims about Mark and those are not words of Jesus. As you are all about logic and open mindness, I'm sure you can easily prove that Jesus did not say those thing. If not, you are just using heresay.

[curious george]

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So you do not open your mind to the words of Jesus. You do not believe in the bible. You make these claims about Mark and those are not words of Jesus. As you are all about logic and open mindness, I'm sure you can easily prove that Jesus did not say those thing. If not, you are just using heresay.

How can you say that the bible is entirely true when half of it can be proved wrong through historical context and science. The bible is not an all knowing magical book. We can only find what is right when we look in our hearts.

[Alphonse Alban]

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How can you say that the bible is entirely true when half of it can be proved wrong through historical context and science.

So then it should be even easier for you to give me historical and scientifical proof that Jesus did not say those things. Go on. So far we only have Jesus' words about it. It was not even only time when He spoke like that.

John 3:10-18


10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

who is anyone to say that anothers religion is wrong.

That is still Jesus. Burden of proof is on you. Prove it that those are not something that Jesus did not say. If you can't prove it, your logic says that then Jesus has said them.

[curious george]

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So then it should be even easier for you to give me historical and scientifical proof that Jesus did not say those things. Go on. So far we only have Jesus' words about it. It was not even only time when He spoke like that.

John 3:10-18


10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.




That is still Jesus. Burden of proof is on you. Prove it that those are not something that Jesus did not say. If you can't prove it, your logic says that then Jesus has said them.

I can't prove he didn't say it and you can't prove he did(No the bible isn't proof). It all comes down to what we believe in .

[Alphonse Alban]

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No the bible isn't proof

Of course it is. Even if it were not, it's still a lot more that you have. You made these absurd claims with only your opinion as proof and everyone who does not share your opinions are wrong. Not very open minded, now is it.

You asked a question.

who is anyone to say that anothers religion is wrong.

Answer still is Jesus, by the only account we have of words of Jesus. You can say you do not believe it, but you can't say that Jesus did not say it. Words of Jesus in the bible are official opinion of Christianity. If you disargee with them you are not a Christian and Jesus will throw you to hell.
You have to open your mind for this simple fact.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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How can you say that the bible is entirely true when half of it can be proved wrong through historical context and science. The bible is not an all knowing magical book. We can only find what is right when we look in our hearts.

Please out line the criteria you use to decide which bits of the Bible are factual and which bits you can ignore.

Please be aware that 'it feels right' is an emotional reaction (rather than a logical one) and is out of bounds in this discussion.

This is the modern world: logic trumpts emotions.

YIC

[curious george]

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Of course it is. Even if it were not, it's still a lot more that you have. You made these absurd claims with only your opinion as proof and everyone who does not share your opinions are wrong. Not very open minded, now is it.

You asked a question.



Answer still is Jesus, by the only account we have of words of Jesus. You can say you do not believe it, but you can't say that Jesus did not say it. Words of Jesus in the bible are official opinion of Christianity. If you disargee with them you are not a Christian and Jesus will throw you to hell.
You have to open your mind for this simple fact.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Really cuz I didn't say you or anyone was wrong. You are an intollerant jackass if you say that people are bad based on religion, though and thats a fact. Lol in my opinion you will be thrown into hell for this (if their is a hell) as hate is a sin and so are thoughts of murder. All I'm doing is trying to prove aa point with my last few posts. You have done this for me. Arguing over words i a bible is useless and leads you nowhere. Its what you truly feel is moral that you should fight for. Not this crap about literal bible interpretation. If a muslim or homosexual or atheist is a good person then they will go to heaven. If noot God is just arragont and is using you to spread his fame which I find hard to believe. So I hope you feel pretty stupid now because you kinda fell right into my trap by saying thatt telling otheer people that they are wrong about their beliefs is wrong. YOU PROVED MY ORIGINAL POINT. That is the only reason for my posts about the bible.

[Alphonse Alban]

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Really cuz I didn't say you or anyone was wrong.

Really. I remember reply like this on this matter.

No he didn't. He was a very accepting man and even forgave his murderers.

Fact still remains. Jesus is the one who says other religions are wrong.

You are an intollerant jackass if you say that people are bad based on religion, though and thats a fact. Lol in my opinion you will be thrown into hell for this

These are your opinions. Sorry to tell you, but we just follow the bible. You really must be more open minded with people who does not share your opinions. We can't all be opinion Nazis like you.

[curious george]

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Please out line the criteria you use to decide which bits of the Bible are factual and which bits you can ignore.

Please be aware that 'it feels right' is an emotional reaction (rather than a logical one) and is out of bounds in this discussion.

This is the modern world: logic trumpts emotions.

YIC

The bible should just be used for its messages of being kind to others. That is all I take form it. Not things preaching hate which will not benefit society. In a modern world you need to be accepting and kind and not cause wars because you don't like their religion. The bible is not a logical book. For example. The earth was not directly created by god. It took milllions of years of reactions to create. Adam and Eve wrong cuz incest. see my point

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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Really cuz I didn't say you or anyone was wrong. You are an intollerant jackass if you say that people are bad based on religion, though and thats a fact. Lol in my opinion you will be thrown into hell for this (if their is a hell) as hate is a sin and so are thoughts of murder. All I'm doing is trying to prove aa point with my last few posts. You have done this for me. Arguing over words i a bible is useless and leads you nowhere. Its what you truly feel is moral that you should fight for. Not this crap about literal bible interpretation. If a muslim or homosexual or atheist is a good person then they will go to heaven. If noot God is just arragont and is using you to spread his fame which I find hard to believe. So I hope you feel pretty stupid now because you kinda fell right into my trap by saying thatt telling otheer people that they are wrong about their beliefs is wrong. YOU PROVED MY ORIGINAL POINT. That is the only reason for my posts about the bible.

No your original point was that YOU have better morals because you pick and choose from various religions the bits you like.

The rubutal (that you have not dealt with) is that you cannot then call yourself a Christian (you have been presented with WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY SAID) and you hand wave these facts away.

Now you claim victory in debate? I would love to see you at Toast Masters

YIC

[curious george]

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Really. I remember reply like this on this matter.



Fact still remains. Jesus is the one who says other religions are wrong.



These are your opinions. Sorry to tell you, but we just follow the bible. You really must be more openminded with people who does not share your opinions. We can't all be opinion Nazis like you.

really because you're saying other religions and homos should die and burn in hell. I'm just trying to keep you people from oppressing your fellow man you know. thats not closeminded thats just basic human decency

[curious george]

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No your original point was that YOU have better morals because you pick and choose from various religions the bits you like.

The rubutal (that you have not dealt with) is that you cannot then call yourself a Christian (you have been presented with WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY SAID) and you hand wave these facts away.

Now you claim victory in debate? I would love to see you at Toast Masters

YIC

Honestly I'll admit it I'm not big on the whole god thing. I take morals and lessons from religions and thats it. Prove thats what he said ALSO.

[curious george]

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Oh I see that you're divorce well see you in hell

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Oh I see that you're divorce well see you in hell

True Christians(tm) don't go to hell, friend.

Hey, why are you named after a monkey? You aren't one of those dog-molesting darwinista furries are you?



(Leviticus 18:23) "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Jack O'fagan]

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Honestly I'll admit it I'm not big on the whole god thing.

But you believe in Jesus and heaven? Or don't you now? I have been away for an hour or so, you could may have changed your mind. Are you using your God given brain of do you have some kind of random thought generator?

YIC

Jack