[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

This says nothing about the Garden. This says "from the beginning", which means the beginning of the devil. You are interpreting.

Genesis 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And that was true.

Genesis 3:7
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Second, "Ye shall not surely die", he is calling God a liar.
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam lived to be 900 years old. He did not die in the day he ate of the Tree. Again, the serpent (whom you still have not shown to be Satan) told the truth.

Also another scripture that shows God speaks only the truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

But I have shown you where He brags about lying. Are you again suggesting that the Bible contradicts itself?

I am saying nothing of the sort, the Bible does not lie and the Bible says God does not lie and is a God of truth.

It also shows that He deceives people specifically so He can damn them to Hell or destroy them. How do you reconcile this with your assertion that God only tells the truth?

The serpent in Genesis chapter 3 was Satan. Satan was either appearing as a serpent, possessing the serpent, or deceiving Adam and Eve into believing that it was the serpent who was talking to them.

Please provide Scripture to support this assertion.

Please explain how it is that God cursed the serpent to go on his belly and eating the dust of the earth forever, but Satan is never, ever depicted as crawling on his belly, including when he is seen elsewhere in the Bible.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

This doesn't show that Satan was the serpent in the garden.

Are you sure you're not a Catholic?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I will have an extra "Thank you Jesus" for God tonight.

Ralph and I had an uneasy feeling about this. We did not know what to do. So we both spent a lot of time praying together, asking for His Divine guidance.
God spoke to us both, telling us to steer clear of this 'female'. He told us 'she' was not as she seemed and could not be trusted. He warned us of impending decit and trickery. He told us her name was not 'Ashley' but really was 'Lilith'.

How does that make any sense? One moment you say "God has spoken to me and told me that you are a decent, loving Christian that just needs a little tenderness and understanding." and the next you say "He told us 'she' was not as she seemed and could not be trusted. He warned us of impending decit and trickery. He told us her name was not 'Ashley' but really was 'Lilith'"

Are you suggesting God changed his mind, or perhaps worse? You cannot at one time say God told you I was good and the next say God told you I am bad, that is a contradiction.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Genesis 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Second, "Ye shall not surely die", he is calling God a liar.
Gen:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Also another scripture that shows God speaks only the truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
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I am saying nothing of the sort, the Bible does not lie and the Bible says God does not lie and is a God of truth. I am simply speaking through the scriptures. Also the scriptures I gave do show God always protects is faithful and those that believe in him.


The serpent in Genesis chapter 3 was Satan. Satan was either appearing as a serpent, possessing the serpent, or deceiving Adam and Eve into believing that it was the serpent who was talking to them. Serpents / snakes do not possess the ability to speak.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I will have an extra "Thank you Jesus" for God tonight.

Ralph and I had an uneasy feeling about this. We did not know what to do. So we both spent a lot of time praying together, asking for His Divine guidance.
God spoke to us both, telling us to steer clear of this 'female'. He told us 'she' was not as she seemed and could not be trusted. He warned us of impending decit and trickery. He told us her name was not 'Ashley' but really was 'Lilith'.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Psalm 5:11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
Psalm 18:2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psalm 27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 37:28 For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalm 112:6-8
6 Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.
7 He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: his heart is fixed, trusting in the Lord.
8 His heart is established, he shall not be afraid, until he see his desire upon his enemies.
Psalm 116:6 The Lord preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Thessalonians 3:2-4
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.

I see nothing in those that says God seeks always or only to protect.
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The Bible is literally and completely true so:
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began

So are you suggesting that the Bible contradicts itself?

Satan deceived and lied to Eve, the very first lie of Satan that brought about the downfall of mankind.

Please provide Scriptural support for your assertion that Satan and the serpent are the same being.

Then explain why it is that God cursed the serpent always to crawl on its belly, yet we never see Satan depicted as crawling on his belly. For example, when he showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. You'd think the Bible would mention, "Satan, crawling on his belly, took Jesus up into a high mountain" . . .

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Psalm 5:11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
Psalm 18:2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psalm 27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 37:28 For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
Psalm 112:6-8
6 Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.
7 He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: his heart is fixed, trusting in the Lord.
8 His heart is established, he shall not be afraid, until he see his desire upon his enemies.
Psalm 116:6 The Lord preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.


Thessalonians 3:2-4
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
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The Bible is literally and completely true so:
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began


Satan deceived and lied to Eve, the very first lie of Satan that brought about the downfall of mankind.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

The title "True Christian™" is conferred by the Pastors at Landover. Go ahead, call yourself a True Christian, and see if it turns up next to your name.



Claiming to be (or not be) something on the internet is proof, now?

OK, thread-derailing atheist, can we please let the young lady respond to my refutation of her assertions about God and Satan? Or are you going to keep distracting us from serious matters?

[Didymus Much]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Please stop your senseless insults please, and you call yourself a True Christian...

The title "True Christian(tm)" is conferred by the Pastors at Landover. Go ahead, call yourself a True Christian, and see if it turns up next to your name.

... I am not a slut and my posts show this time and again...

Claiming to be (or not be) something on the internet is proof, now?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I thought you were leaving slut?

I believe she meant that when she puts this into a post:

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it means she is "moving on" to the next subject.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I notice this screeching harpy is making the most of the distraction to avoid giving any sort of evidence for her ridiculous assertions about the personality of Satan.

Hardly surprising. She's just here to feign outrage and be obnoxious.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I'm glad you're not bad at laundry. You are, unfortunately, bad at Bible-reading.

Sister Mary: God wishes to protect while Satan wises to harm. God always tells the truth while Satan lies.

Let's examine these, shall we?

God wishes to protect:

Did God wish to protect in the Flood? He appeared to Noah and gave him one hundred years to build the Ark, but never appeared to all the other people to tell them, "hey, I'm sick of your disobedience and will drown you all if you don't do as I say!".

Did God wish to protect in Sodom and Gomorrah? He smote the cities without so much as a peep of warning.

Will God wish to protect when Jesus returns and slaughters 1/3 of all humanity, as described in Revelation?

Satan wishes to harm:

Outside of killing Job's wife and children--an act for which he obtained permission from God--what harm has Satan been documented to cause in the Bible? A few demonic possessions, which is really just basic mischief.

God always tells the truth:

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God will delude idolators so they follow the wrong path and are damned (by Him, for following the wrong path, which He put them on).

Ezekiel 14:9

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

God deceives prophets and then destroys them for being wrong (because He deceived them).

Satan always lies:

Show one example from Scripture.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I thought you were leaving slut?

Please stop your senseless insults please, and you call yourself a True Christian. I am not a slut and my posts show this time and again. I will not ever allow men to do more then give me a hug and kiss my cheek, and as I told you very clearly I will not show myself to any man but my husband. I would first die before breaking the Law of Chastity.

[Deaner]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I am not a Lutheran and are you saying I shouldn't have called you out for your post?

I thought you were leaving slut?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

So fuck off then Lutheran.

I am not a Lutheran and are you saying I shouldn't have called you out for your post?

[Deaner]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

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It means I am moving on

So fuck off then Lutheran.