[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Oh dear, who taught you such things? The Bible clearly teaches that the woman, even among animals, is the property of the male, and property is under the control of the owner.

Sorry but no, as genesis says women are to be help meets not property or slaves or servent. Jesus did not treat women as such, in truth he showed women great respect and it was actually to women and more particularly the very first person to see him in his resurrected from was Mary Magdalene... a true honor would you not agree?
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I'm sorry but I have already proven I am a servant of the one true God, know from the KJV of the Holy Bible. At most you could say I was not 'raised' properly because I did not have a father and my brother is a prodigal.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually there is a chapter on how God hates men do not treat their wifes well and how "she thy companion": Malachi 2
There is also Genesis 15 which speaks of how through a woman's seed that prophecy of Mary and how her son would destroy the work of the serpent or as said 'crush his head'.

Are you suggesting the Bible verses I provided don't count? That they are less important than the one you suggest? Dear, I suggest you read the Bible as a whole, rather than in the way you want it to read.

This is also a prophecy of the freedom of a woman, the first blessing that women are given from God without going through men first. That this curse came through a woman and that the blessing came through on as well.

Please provide the chapter and verse in which I can read where women are free from their divine role as subservient help meets. Thanks in advance.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Sorry but no, as genesis says women are to be help meets not property or slaves or servent.

"Helps meet", dear. "Help", or "assistant/servant", and "meet", or "suitable/appropriate".

And that should really tell you who is subservient to whom.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What do you mean your brother is a prodigal?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Are you suggesting the Bible verses I provided don't count? That they are less important than the one you suggest? Dear, I suggest you read the Bible as a whole, rather than in the way you want it to read.

Please provide the chapter and verse in which I can read where women are free from their divine role as subservient help-meets. Thanks in advance.

Not at all Sister Mary, I was just pointing out a scripture that clearly shows God's feelings on men taht do not treat their wifes right. I do take the Bible as a whole yet one thing I see very little of is the New testament. These scriptures of supposed servitude you gave are in teh Old Testament. As it was said you do not put old wine in a new wine skin but new wine in a new wine skin. It is clear in the New Testament, all one has to look is to Jesus Christ's example to see how women shoudl be treated.

Genesis Chapter 15, as I said in my last post. It is in there if you will read it.
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Help is helper is different from servant, and meet is side by side

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Not at all Sister Mary, I was just pointing out a scripture that clearly shows God's feelings on men taht do not treat their wifes right. I do take the Bible as a whole yet one thing I see very little of is the New testament. These scriptures of supposed servitude you gave are in teh Old Testament. As it was said you do not put old wine in a new wine skin but new wine in a new wine skin. It is clear in the New Testament, all one has to look is to Jesus Christ's example to see how women shoudl be treated.

Here ya go, New Testament.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Help is helper is different from servant, and meet is side by side

No, it's not.

Genesis 2:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Genesis 2:18

English Standard Version (ESV)

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for[a] him.”

Genesis 2:18

Today's New International Version (TNIV)

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Genesis 2:18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [a]suitable for him.”

And, of course, Strong's:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5828&t=KJV

1) help, succour
a) help, succour
b) one who helps

I thought you claimed to have Strong's. Yet you ignore it and make up your own definitions for words?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What do you mean your brother is a prodigal?

He has turned away from God and is living a life counter to what god wants, he is a prodigal son. My mother and myself pray daily for his return to God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

A man is not my husband until we are married, as such a man can make no such demands until he is married. And yes I know and agree the husband is the head of the hosue but just because he is does not mean the wife has do obey everything he says. I would be unto my husband, give him as he requires as long as he is of the sort I will marry.

Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts that agree with your empty-headed female notions. It clearly says that EVERY (Saved©) man is your master.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I pity your father. I'll bet he has to lay a good Christian beating on you every day!

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

You seem to know an awful lot about husband-wife dynamics for someone who hasn't gotten around to marrying yet.



(Proverbs 12:15) "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."

YiC,

Zech

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Can(dle in the Darkness

Not at all Sister Mary, I was just pointing out a scripture that clearly shows God's feelings on men taht do not treat their wifes right.

That would include encouraging them to "wear the pants in the family," so to speak. That does anger the LORD, and rightfully so. It goes against His divine command that they maintain the divine order to which they were created. (Ephesians 5:23)

I do take the Bible as a whole

Except for the parts you don't like.

yet one thing I see very little of is the New testament. These scriptures of supposed servitude you gave are in teh Old Testament. As it was said you do not put old wine in a new wine skin but new wine in a new wine skin. It is clear in the New Testament, all one has to look is to Jesus Christ's example to see how women shoudl be treated.

Christ offered the example of duty to the LORD. If you are not willing to take up your own cross, Matthew 16:24) you cannot expect to be counted among those on His right hand side. (Matthew 25:34) Clearly your cross is your independent streak that wreaks of feminism and rebellion.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Help is helper is different from servant, and meet is side by side

That is incorrect. Genesis 2:18 in no way implies that or says that.

Follow what Rev. Rodimer is trying to tell you and has just shown you and stop ignoring and changing the Word(c).

The Lord does not approve when liberal doctrine attempts to change what He said (Deuteronomy 4:2) and:

Revelation
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Hello Ashley, you are not one of those Stevie Nicks dizt head fans are you? Standing on hilltops, lightening in the distance, conjuring up love poems.
What kind of work do you do? Do you have calluses? Where are they?
How does God lead your life? How do you submit to Him?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

You seem to know an awful lot about husband-wife dynamics for someone who hasn't gotten around to marrying yet.

(Proverbs 12:15) "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."

YiC,
Zech

My mother has taught me well, based on her relationship with my father. That and I look to how Jesus Christ treated women as a base, which means my husband will need to show me the same respect Jesus showed unto the women he met. It's actually quite simple, and I don't see how doesn't make sense to those here.

That would include encouraging them to "wear the pants in the family," so to speak. That does anger the LORD, and rightfully so. It goes against His divine command that they maintain the divine order to which they were created. (Ephesians 5:23)

Except for the parts you don't like.

Christ offered the example of duty to the LORD. If you are not willing to take up your own cross, Matthew 16:24) you cannot expect to be counted among those on His right hand side. (Matthew 25:34) Clearly your cross is your independent streak that wreaks of feminism and rebellion.

I don't plan on 'wearing the pants in the family', and I am more then happy for my husband to have the responsability. As such there will be no anger from the LORD.
Nope, Sister Mary I follow the whole Bible... counting the parts you don't like.
I have taken up my own cross as Jesus Chirst has instructed me to do, I obey his word. I honor my parents, even my father who has died. I know he would be proud of the young woman I have become.

Hello Ashley, you are not one of those Stevie Nicks dizt head fans are you? Standing on hilltops, lightening in the distance, conjuring up love poems.
What kind of work do you do? Do you have calluses? Where are they?
How does God lead your life? How do you submit to Him?

No... Who is Stevie Nicks? I am a writer but apart from that I have no work as I don't want to have work distracting me once I get married to the right man. I don't have calluses. Which makes the next question non-applicable. God guides me in everything I do, with the Holy Bible as my instruction manuel. I submit to him my giving him my soul and my heart, having him lead me in my life.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

*** blah blah blah Nope, Sister Mary I follow the whole Bible... counting the parts you don't like blah blah blah ***

Whoa...did you just accuse a True Christian(tm) of not liking parts of the Bible?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Whoa...did you just accuse a True Christian™ of not liking parts of the Bible?

I wasn't accusing Sister Mary of anything, just saying I follow the whole Bible counting the scripture Malachi 2. Yet from her posts Sister Mary doesn't seem to like Malachi 2.