[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I wasn't accusing Sister Mary of anything

Hmm, let's see what you posted...

Nope, Sister Mary I follow the whole Bible... counting the parts you don't like.

LIAR.

(Exodus 20:16) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I wasn't accusing Sister Mary of anything, just saying I follow the whole Bible counting the scripture Malachi 2. Yet from her posts Sister Mary doesn't seem to like Malachi 2.

Erm...

And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Malachi 2:1

I'm not a priest.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Hmm, let's see what you posted...
LIAR.

(Exodus 20:16) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

I have not lied, and at most it was a misunderstand. I got the impression that Sister Mary did not like the scriptures I was giving. If she does agree with and like the scripture Malachi 2 then I apoligize for the mistake.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I have not lied, and at most it was a misunderstand. I got the impression that Sister Mary did not like the scriptures I was giving. If she does agree with and like the scripture Malachi 2 then I apoligize for the mistake.

Thank you for the apology. Now, why don't you tell us why you're so bitter? I think it's because you are fighting your nature. On the one hand, you want desperately to be a strong, independent creature. On the other, God has infused in your soul a desire to follow His will, which is to be subservient. I think this must cause great conflict in your soul.

But there is good news! You can be baptized into the Body of Christ, your soul will be complete, and your mind will be settled! You don't have to fight this internal battle against your sinful nature on your own, you know. The LORD will provide for you what you need (Ephesians 6:10-18).

Will you join me in prayer?

Dear Jesus, We just lift up the bitter, weary soul of our lost friend her. We just lift her needs to the Throne of the King, and we just praise Your Perfect Name and offer it as a balm for her pain. Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus! We just know she is hurting inside, the Enemy has gotten to her something fierce and she is confused and hurt and angry and lonely. We just know you are the Great Comfort for her, and we just praise You that Your will is perfect for her. We just love You, Jesus, because You are always there for us, if we will but turn away from our sinful desires and look to You. Jesus, we just offer up the needs of our friend StarDreamerNight, so that she will know Your Perfect Will for her life.
In Christ's Name we Pray
Amen

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Erm...

And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

Malachi 2:1

I'm not a priest.

Yes yet it still shows women are to be companions with their husband.

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"Because the LORD has been witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have dealt treacherously; yet she is your companion and your wife by covenant" (Malachi 2:14), which was quoted in the previous answer. Companionship is the reason God created woman for man. "And the LORD God said, 'It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him'" (Genesis 2:18). Solomon describes the adulterous woman as one "who forsakes the companion of her youth, and forgets the covenant of her God" (Proverbs 2:17).
The concept of submission, as presented in the Bible, is not contradictory to the idea of companionship. For example, all Christians are equal: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:27). In addition, Christians are to have love for one another: "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35). Yet simultaneously Christians are to submit to each other: "submitting to one another in the fear of God" (Ephesians 5:21). Hence, one can be companions and in submission to one another at the same time.
The idea is not all that difficult. Submission is basically putting someone else's needs and ideas before my own. "Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others" (Philippians 2:3-4). This passage is particularly interesting because it continues with the example of Jesus. Jesus was equal to God (Philippians 2:6; John 5:18), was one with the Father (John 10:30), and was God (John 1:1); yet, "made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross" (Philippians 2:7-8). Or as the Hebrew writer stated it, "though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered" (Hebrews 5:8). The fact that Jesus submitted to the will of the Father did not mean he was less than the Father or that he was no longer one with the Father.
In the family, the husband is given headship. "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything" (Ephesians 5:22-24). (I Corinthians 11, by the way, deals with the authority of men over women, not husbands over wives.) Since this authority is granted to them by God, their authority is limited in the scope given to them. For example, a husband has no authority to demand that his wife violate God's law. He cannot ask her to steal, prostitute herself, or to lie on his behalf. God is the source of all authority and God has not given us permission to violate his laws.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

No... Who is Stevie Nicks?

Nobody, really. A self-styled "white witch" who used to be a singer of some sort.

Stephanie Lynn "Stevie" Nicks (born May 26, 1948) is an American singer-songwriter, best known for her work with Fleetwood Mac and an extensive solo career, which collectively have produced over forty Top 50 hits and sold over 140 million albums.

She has a voice much like a goat, only not as melodic.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I apologize, let me repost using the correct version of the Bible:
14 Yet ye say, Wherefore?
Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth,
Against whom thou hast dealt treacherously:
Yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.


18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


17 Which forsaketh the guide of her youth,
And forgetteth the covenant of her God.


27 For has many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.


3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.


6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was phis Father, making himself equal with God.


30 I and My Father are one.”


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and twas made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in * fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, gas unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Nobody, really. A self-styled "white witch" who used to be a singer of some sort.




She has a voice much like a goat, only not as melodic.

Ah, no wonder, I have nothing to do with such things and I avoid tem completely.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Yes yet it still shows women are to be companions with their husband.

Let's take a look at the chapter in full, rather than the commentary you've so predictably provided:

Malachi 2
King James Version (KJV)
2 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the Lord which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.

12 The Lord will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the Lord of hosts.

13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the Lord with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.

14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

17 Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

Are you referencing Malachi 2:14?

Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

You do realize this is in answer to the priests who have treated their wives treacherously, not all husbands, right? And let's look at this covenant for clarification:

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Genesis 3:16

The wife's part of the covenant is to bring forth children and accept her husband's rule over her. (1st Timothy 2:15; Colossians 3:18) The husband's part is to eat food from the ground (vegetables, very unattractive to Godly men who would rather get a colonoscopy than eat a salad).

So you see, I am not discouraged in any way from the Holy Bible, even the warning to priests in Malachi.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Thank you sister for that though I have read the whole thing as I have read the whole bible. -bows my head to Sister Mary with a smile-


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Ephesians 5:25-31, 33 King James Version (KJV)
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


1 Peter 3:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


Colossians 3:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them


1 Corinthians 7:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.


Ephesians 5:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
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Love will lead a husband to consider the needs and desires of the wife and children. He will make decisions for the good of the whole group, not just to please himself. This requires discussion at times to understand the views of others.
However, the husband does have the final authority, and will give account to God for his decisions. Often this responsibility is not a privilege but a burden. He needs the courage to stand for what he is convinced is best, even when the wife or children disagree.
Genesis 2:18-24 -- Woman was created to be a companion and helper to man. She is not required to marry (see 1 Cor. 7), but by nature she would find her greatest fulfillment in life by loving and caring for a family. (See also Mal. 2:14.)
We have learned that God teaches husbands to use their authority in love. Though our society may protest and rebel, He also tells wives to submit to their husbands.
Ephesians 5:22-24,33 -- Just as the church should submit to Christ, not rebelliously but respectfully, so the wife must abide by all her husband's decisions. The only exception would be if the husband commanded her to do something that would violate God's law (Acts 5:29).
Titus 2:5 -- Young women should be taught to be obedient to their husbands. This does not mean woman has less ability or less value than man (cf. 1 Peter 3:7; Matt. 20:25-28; Gal. 3:28). But someone must be in charge to make decisions in the home. God has determined that this responsibility belongs to the man.
(See also Gen. 3:16; Col. 3:18; 1 Peter 3:1-6; 1 Cor. 11:3).

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Love will lead a husband to consider the needs and desires of the wife and children. He will make decisions for the good of the whole group, not just to please himself. This requires discussion at times to understand the views of others.

Why would a husband who is led by the Holy Spirit require discussion to understand the views of others when he could simply obey the LORD?

However, the husband does have the final authority, and will give account to God for his decisions. Often this responsibility is not a privilege but a burden.

One would only think of this as a burden because they do not trust the LORD to provide wisdom. A True Christian™ husband would not be worried about this. A True Christian™ wife would not be anxious to obey her husband because she knows through her obedience, she is doing the will of God. (1st Corinthians 11:3)

He needs the courage to stand for what he is convinced is best, even when the wife or children disagree.

Wives and children who disagree require correction. I would never raise my children to think they could question the LORD's wisdom. That would be tantamount to raising them to be free-thinkers (pardon my language).

Genesis 2:18-24 -- Woman was created to be a companion and helper to man. She is not required to marry (see 1 Cor. 7), but by nature she would find her greatest fulfillment in life by loving and caring for a family. (See also Mal. 2:14.)

So... you're suggesting God calls women to be whores? (1st Timothy 2:15)

We have learned that God teaches husbands to use their authority in love. Though our society may protest and rebel, He also tells wives to submit to their husbands.

What could be more loving than to help his wife and children avoid Damnation?

Ephesians 5:22-24,33 -- Just as the church should submit to Christ, not rebelliously but respectfully, so the wife must abide by all her husband's decisions. The only exception would be if the husband commanded her to do something that would violate God's law (Acts 5:29).

Thus the importance of marrying a True Christian™ man.

Titus 2:5 -- Young women should be taught to be obedient to their husbands. This does not mean woman has less ability or less value than man (cf. 1 Peter 3:7; Matt. 20:25-28; Gal. 3:28). But someone must be in charge to make decisions in the home. God has determined that this responsibility belongs to the man.
(See also Gen. 3:16; Col. 3:18; 1 Peter 3:1-6; 1 Cor. 11:3). [/LEFT]

Okay, so you want to use the word "value" where God doesn't. Does that make you feel better?

Just out of curiosity, were you raised by lesbians?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Why would a husband who is led by the Holy Spirit require discussion to understand the views of others when he could simply obey the LORD?

One would only think of this as a burden because they do not trust the LORD to provide wisdom. A True Christian™ husband would not be worried about this. A True Christian™ wife would not be anxious to obey her husband because she knows through her obedience, she is doing the will of God. (1st Corinthians 11:3)
Wives and children who disagree require correction. I would never raise my children to think they could question the LORD's wisdom. That would be tantamount to raising them to be free-thinkers (pardon my language).
So... you're suggesting God calls women to be whores? (1st Timothy 2:15)
What could be more loving than to help his wife and children avoid Damnation?
Thus the importance of marrying a True Christian™ man.
Okay, so you want to use the word "value" where God doesn't. Does that make you feel better?
Just out of curiosity, were you raised by lesbians?

Yet not all husbands make judgments based on the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but inside based on their own pride and selfishness.
Yet not all a husband says is of God, or should she except abuse from the man who is the head of the house.
Actually no, may disagreements for into stem from reasons outside of the Bible. Take finances for example, a husband and wife can and do disagree with how the household money is used and if it is used wisely.
No I am suggesting nothing of the sort, I was giving you scriptures from the Bible. Are you suggesting God calls all women whores?
Yet many times it is not in question Damnation or disobedience of God.
Yes I would agree it is important but as I said before I look for a particular sort of man and as I will be nothing but the best wife I expect nothing but the best husband.
Actually no, the Bible makes it clear God values women. One just need to look to how Jesus Christ treated and valued women.
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Sister Mary that is a horrible thing to say, especially since I made it clear I have a father and mother that loves me. My father died and my mother did not get remarried. You shouldn't even need to ask that question as I have answered who raised me. -disappointment-

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Women have few purposes on Earth. God did it this way because it is a known fact that their brains are only capable of performing repetitive tasks, much the same as opening the barn doors makes the cows come in for the night.
Scrubbing toilets, floors, washing windows and child bearing are a wifes primary tasks. Many cook though most are abject failures at the job. However, being their little heads are so sensitive, men will often compliment a wifes' cooking and then go out and get a real meal. Almost all women have good pie though over time, it gets stale and crusty hence a mans' need to go out for a really good and fresh slice from time to time.
All women are whores except young virginal daughters.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Women have few purposes on Earth. God did it this way because it is a known fact that their brains are only capable of performing repetitive tasks, much the same as opening the barn doors makes the cows come in for the night.
Scrubbing toilets, floors, washing windows and child bearing are a wifes primary tasks. Many cook though most are abject failures at the job. However, being their little heads are so sensitive, men will often compliment a wifes' cooking and then go out and get a real meal. Almost all women have good pie though over time, it gets stale and crusty hence a mans' need to go out for a really good and fresh slice from time to time.
All women are whores except young virginal daughters.

I apoligize but for that I mark you as a man I do not like. It truth I have actually seem that most women are as smart if not even smarter then man. Women mentally are just as strong and good as men, it's only physically that men are better (argueably). A woman cannot be a whore unless she is breaking God's Law of Chasity. Good day to you sir.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I apoligize but for that I mark you as a man I do not like. It truth I have actually seem that most women are as smart if not even smarter then man. Women mentally are just as strong and good as men, it's only physically that men are better (argueably). A woman cannot be a whore unless she is breaking God's Law of Chasity. Good day to you sir.

Please re-write what you wrote in an intelligible manner. I do not want to misunderstand what you said and hurt your feelings.
You apologies are accepted.