[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Wait,you have it wrong,I just re-read your question. I'm the one that is saying that you all should obey your God's commandments,in spite of what man's laws says. This site is replete with members who profess to follow the Bible to the letter. I'm just tasking them to look critically at what some of those laws are, and see if the follow them.

Rev., if you say that the word is the literal,unassailable,truth, and that there is no ambiguity in the word, how else am I suppose to interpret that? So, if the scripture says to stone a disobedient child, that means you should do it, regardless of what man's law says.

So the point is that people have moved away from viewing the bible as the literal truth, and living there lives in such a manner.

Let me get this straight. You're suggesting that because none of us are such dysfunctional parents, because none of us have children who are so out of control to the point where stoning them would be justified, we're not really following the Holy Bible? The fact that True Christians™ are obedient unto the LORD and are therefore blessed with obedient children, is somehow "proof" that we're not True Christians™ and obedient unto the LORD? How do you think True Christians™ raise children? What do you think God meant when He advised the parent to discipline and correct the child?

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Show me where the Bible says we should disobey the direct commandment to obey secular laws.

Wait,you have it wrong,I just re-read your question. I'm the one that is saying that you all should obey your God's commandments,in spite of what man's laws says. This site is replete with members who profess to follow the Bible to the letter. I'm just tasking them to look critically at what some of those laws are, and see if the follow them.

Rev., if you say that the word is the literal,unassailable,truth, and that there is no ambiguity in the word, how else am I suppose to interpret that? So, if the scripture says to stone a disobedient child, that means you should do it, regardless of what man's law says.

So the point is that people have moved away from viewing the bible as the literal truth, and living there lives in such a manner.

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Show me where the Bible says we should disobey the direct commandment to obey secular laws.

Nice question, I'll try and answer your question later,I have to look at some scriptures.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Shoe me the scripture that specifically states this? You lose this argument because there are many God fearing Christians that act in spite of secular law.



What does Obama has to do with this?

Romney can be in office and the same laws would stand. Look at Bush, or any other white president. They have not changed any laws that would give you a free hand to smite us infidels.

RP gave you the scripture. God tells us to follow Him. If our belief is strong enough, God wants us to follow Him IN SPITE of secular law. If the secular authorities persecute us, God has assured us we will be blessed.
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

You really do need to actually read the Bible, you'll be a lot less foolish looking, once you follow His Word.

God:1,000,000,000,000
Seventy:0
Sorry

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

This bit isn't in the Koran.

Really? Lets see if you are right.

The Qur'an describes Jihad as a system of checks and balances, as a way that Allah set up to "check one people by means of another." When one person or group transgresses their limits and violates the rights of others, Muslims have the right and the duty to "check" them and bring them back into line. There are several verses of the Qur'an that describe jihad in this manner. One example:

"And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another,
the earth would indeed be full of mischief;
but Allah is full of Bounty to all the worlds"
-Qur'an 2:251

Islam’s Jihad Against America

“According to open-source reports, between 2001 and 2008, U.S. agencies stopped one or two terror attempts a year. However, from 2009 until today, the government has been uncovering one or two cases a month, a troubling growth in jihadist activities.”

On December 9, federal officials arrested a Maryland man and charged him with plotting to blow up an Army recruiting center near Baltimore. Antonio Martinez, a 21-year-old Muslim convert who calls himself Muhammed Hussain, wanted to kill as many U.S. soldiers as possible.

The Concept Of Martyrdom In Islam

The concepts of martyrdom and Holy Struggle in the cause of Allah are interrelated. Both words have been frequently used in the Holy Qur'an.[8] In fact, there is no martyrdom without struggle in the cause of Allah and for the cause of the truth. Both words have literal meanings different from their terminological meanings,

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CDwQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.al-islam.org%2Fal-serat%2Fconcept-ezzati.htm&ei=TIFjUL2JIqK0yQHzioCwCg&usg=AFQjCNGIdt_ooSmDxounrLnpmxLrYGbtWA&sig2=262WBR2rCxGD3CnnfWoxnw

Wow, you said that martyrdom was not in the Qur'an?

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Are you trying to incite us to break secular law? That's the work of Satan. Why are you tempting us to break God's commandment? How long ago did you sell your soul to the arch deceiver, satan?

However much it pains us we must follow secular law. There is nothing to prevent me from whacking my kid with a rod as the Lord commands. As we have pointed out to you the law is on the side of those who would discipline their children in a Godly fashion. Take it up with the lawmakers, not us.

Just because the word of God is not to your liking doesn't mean we shouldn't follow it. Get over yourself!

No,but you have painted yourselves into a corner when you say that that you follow God's word to the letter. You even defend the scripture that says that you can do these things. I asked about my co-worker beating his wife and I got responses from people using the scriptures to show he was justified.

Here is a few quotes from the site to support my view.

We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say. Pastor B.Ruben

You may be a liberal Christian, who believes that God's Word must be twisted and "interpreted" beyond recognition before it can be properly understood, and that we must rely on private interpretation. If you have an original argument as to why the book that appears to be an easy-to-follow instruction manual is actually a book of riddles that only a master Theologian can understand, we are all ears. Pastor B.Ruben

These are from Jeb Thurmond

If your ancestors are: Greek
Your position in society is: Same as under secularism, but everybody knows you're literally a motherf*cker:
Because: It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. - 1 Corinthians 5:1 (there is sexual immorality among you...man has his father's wife - New International Version)

So if I can't live in the same neighborhoods as non-W.A.S.P.S., can I at least visit?

No. Even looking at them will mess you up: Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. - Proverbs 23:33

Why are white people's genes holy?

Because God says so. See Ezra 9:1-2 above.

Now lets discuss this lat one here. Isn't the pope white? But there is nothing but contempt for him and Catholics on this site. Jeb believes this to the letter and follows it just because scripture says so.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

No you're not doing your best. You can do what some do, and that is become a martyr. Muslims do it all the time because they are willing to take that step for their God,religion, and beliefs.

1 Peter 2:13-16
2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

This bit isn't in the Koran.

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

I fear no man. I follow the Bible. The Bible tells us to follow it EXCEPT when doing so conflicts with 'Stupid' (sic) secular law. This has been stated over and over again. Next time, actually read your Bible. If you follow His Word, you need no defense.

Shoe me the scripture that specifically states this? You lose this argument because there are many God fearing Christians that act in spite of secular law.

More people have died because of God because God has been here for ever. Obama has only had a scant 50 years or so.

What does Obama has to do with this?

Romney can be in office and the same laws would stand. Look at Bush, or any other white president. They have not changed any laws that would give you a free hand to smite us infidels.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

No you're not doing your best. You can do what some do, and that is become a martyr. Muslims do it all the time because they are willing to take that step for their God,religion, and beliefs.

Show me where the Bible says we should disobey the direct commandment to obey secular laws.

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

So God understands that we try our best to take the lives of the infidels, be it punching, kicking, harassing, imprisoning, and/or otherwise using God's nice American justice system to take away the rights of the ungodly. And we've done remarkably well. We've just still got a long way to go.

No you're not doing your best. You can do what some do, and that is become a martyr. Muslims do it all the time because they are willing to take that step for their God,religion, and beliefs.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

You don't need a law withing your own community. I see many things that many of you do that is unlawful,like "tomato staking". So who do you fear the most;God, or man's laws? Looking at your convictions the choice what to do should be obvious, unless you don't feel any cohesion within the church community.

Are you trying to incite us to break secular law? That's the work of Satan. Why are you tempting us to break God's commandment? How long ago did you sell your soul to the arch deceiver, satan?

However much it pains us we must follow secular law. There is nothing to prevent me from whacking my kid with a rod as the Lord commands. As we have pointed out to you the law is on the side of those who would discipline their children in a Godly fashion. Take it up with the lawmakers, not us.

Just because the word of God is not to your liking doesn't mean we shouldn't follow it. Get over yourself!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Have you read any of these laws? I'm sure you haven't, because if you did you would know they are talking about medical treatment. For example Arizona defines abuse as this:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ndaa.org%2Fpdf%2FReligious%2520Exemption%2520Statutes%2520Aug%25202010.pdf&ei=TlBjUOK2Nub-iwL4_YC4Cw&usg=AFQjCNF2z5b9032Hm8m3y9YxMAnXXqT3mQ&sig2=LMA5lxKqyVbCYukKQgZQ9A

Several of these things you have implied you do. All of those pictures you used falls under this definition of abuse. Seriously, a child with a broken arm is not seen as abuse if it hides under the skirt of religion?

Who in their right mind in the judicial arena would get behind this? No one because no one has. Yes, I'm tasking you to show me where it says you can burn a child, or break their bones due to religious beliefs. And your second picture in your thread just under the child with the broken arm is not a child.

Are you trying to shape opinions? That so call child clearly is full grown man with a mustache, also his skin looks aged.

Friend, you certainly seem to have a bee in your bonnet. Tell me, have you ever heard of secular 'doctors' misdiagnosing or providing the wrong 'medicine' to a sick person? How do you justify it?

God never does any of these things.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why I Am Catholic

Atheist? I doubt it, you claim atheism while speaking christian, and defending their religious beliefs...

As I wrote to the other poster: WHERE HAVE I DONE THAT?

Maybe you missed this:

No, you're not the only one who cannot distinguish between trying to counter disinformation about what the Bible says and saying that this crap is actually true.

...This person views you the same as I do? Now why is that?...

You're both morons.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Have you read any of these laws? I'm sure you haven't, because if you did you would know they are talking about medical treatment. For example Arizona defines abuse as this:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...yVbCYukKQgZQ9A

If you take the definition of abuse out of context (like you are doing with Tomato Staking), you would also find chemotherapy and homosexual reparative therapy similarly "abusive." But when one takes into consideration the ends, they justify the means.

Who in their right mind in the judicial arena would get behind this? No one because no one has. Yes, I'm tasking you to show me where it says you can burn a child, or break their bones due to religious beliefs.

Please note the United States is one of two nations that refuses to cater to the disastrous United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. This is because we are a Christian Nation and as such will give up our God-Given Right to raise our children in the Faith of Jesus Christ. This is because avoiding an eternity of suffering at the hands of Satan is worth the corrective measures taken during the few short years of childhood. Really, it's all about love for the child here. I'll pray for you to understand what love for a child truly is.

[Seventy]

Re: Why I Am Catholic

No, you're not the only one who cannot distinguish between trying to counter disinformation about what the Bible says and saying that this crap is actually true.

So far, you ARE the only one who has missed the fact that I responded to the other clueless twit LAST WEEK.

Your prize:

Atheist? I doubt it, you claim atheism while speaking christian, and defending their religious beliefs. I have more contempt for you than I do for these devoted christians on here. At least they preach,defend, and fully support what they believe in. This person views you the same as I do? Now why is that? It's only fair that I tell you that most of what you say to me from this point on, will fall on deaf ears for the most part because I don't recognize your atheist position.