[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

I never did claim to abide by the entire bible.

And again, with respect: You do however seem to ignore the parts that teaches us about tolerance.

Tell me friend, how do you know what parts of the Bible to follow and which are hokum?

Here is a little bit about tolerance. Which parts should we ignore?

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. For the needy shall not always be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever.

Proverbs 5:3-5
For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

Proverbs 15:24
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Proverbs 23:13-14
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Isaiah 33:14
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 5:29-30
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 13:38-42
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 18:8-9
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 25:28-30
Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 9:43-48
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Luke 16:23-26
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Luke 16:28
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

II Peter 2:3-6
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude 1:6-8
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 9:1-2
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 14:9-11
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. .

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

No. Pastor Peters simply knows that the Bible talks way more about judgment than it does the beauties of heaven. Jesus himself said few will be saved (Matthew 7:13-14; 21-23).

So once again, we see that you choose to admire and follow just a few appealing verses while ignoring everything else. But it will be Jesus who ignores your pleas to enter into heaven when you find out he is real at the last day (See Matthew 25:31-46).

YiC,

Pastor Ed

Alright, while however still ignoring the parts speaking of tolerance. Which is cherry picking as well.

But, I do have one question nobody answered. And I am curious about that one.

How does god see the murders of the muslims/taliban I killed in Afghanistan back when I was a soldier?

I have often thought of that.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Alright, while however still ignoring the parts speaking of tolerance. Which is cherry picking as well.

But, I do have one question nobody answered. And I am curious about that one.

How does god see the murders of the muslims/taliban I killed in Afghanistan back when I was a soldier?

I have often thought of that.

God sees you waging the war of a Christian Soldier. It makes Him weep with joy with every towel head whose brains covered the sands of that hellhole.
Revelation 19:11-21
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



Deuteronomy 20:16-17
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

God sees you waging the war of a Christian Soldier. It makes Him weep with joy with every towel head whose brains covered the sands of that hellhole.
Revelation 19:11-21
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



Deuteronomy 20:16-17
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:

Many thanks, Mr. Hutchins. I have been wondering about that for ages.

And I shall leave you all be now.

Thank you all, it was an interesting debate and a learning experience.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Alright, while however still ignoring the parts speaking of tolerance. Which is cherry picking as well.

We aren't ignoring anything. You just don't understand what it means to be tolerant.

Tolerant means be slow to wrath, patient, and humble like I am. But tolerant does not mean "tolerate sin."

But, I do have one question nobody answered. And I am curious about that one.

How does god see the murders of the muslims/taliban I killed in Afghanistan back when I was a soldier?

I have often thought of that.

The sand-dwelling negroes are God's enemies. They wipe with their left hands -- a thing God hates (Deut. 23:13-14).

America is God's Christian nation. We are the new Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) and when we fight for God and Christ (see Luke 22:36; Romans 8:31), God fights for us--unless he is teaching our nation a lesson because of our sin.

YiC,

Pastor Ed

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Many thanks, Mr. Hutchins. I have been wondering about that for ages.

And I shall leave you all be now.

Thank you all, it was an interesting debate and a learning experience.

All you have to do is read the Bible. There is no debate. Either it is endorsed by God or it is wrong. Simple truths.

Next time, do not cherry pick or try and figure out things. God has already provided us with the answers to everything.

[Brother Mark Loman]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

In 2 Corinthians 6:14 God commands-Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

He is not telling his children to tolerate the lost. To me it gives us saved ones the green light to shun the blinded gospel rejectors.

If a fellow human rejects Gods free gift of salvation then I would have no problem shunning them. Might sound harsh to you now but if you would just accept him into your heart, I have no doubt that even you too would show intolerance of the lost, in a Godly manner of course.

[Jedediah]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Killing ones children for talking back at their parents would eliminate almost all teenagers on this planet.

Since killing is... in some cases according to some of you is okay. How do I stand with the killing of muslims in afghanistan. I am a bit curious

If sass-mouted delinquents were dealt with according to God's commandments, the world would be full of chaste, upright and delightsome Christian children who, unlike you, have functioning moral compasses. I would rejoice if our nation brought secular law more into line with God's Law, as it would cure 100% of society's ills.

As for meting out divine justice to muslims, and atheists like you, for that matter, I'll direct you to the following verse of Scripture.

II Chronicles 15:12-13
And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;
That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

I delight in all of God's commandments. The only thing holding back True Christians(tm) across the nation from upholding the only Law that matters is God's commandment to obey secular laws (e.g., Hebrews 13:17).

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Alright, while however still ignoring the parts speaking of tolerance. Which is cherry picking as well.

Tim -

Could you show me the parts of the Bible speaking of tolerance?

Jesus forgiving a woman's sins and ordering her to "go, and sin no more" (note: not "go, and return to your adulteries" or "go, and only do certain lesser sins" but "sin NO MORE") isn't "tolerance". It's Jesus exercising His right to choose to make a positive example of someone.

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Tim -

Could you show me the parts of the Bible speaking of tolerance?

Jesus forgiving a woman's sins and ordering her to "go, and sin no more" (note: not "go, and return to your adulteries" or "go, and only do certain lesser sins" but "sin NO MORE") isn't "tolerance". It's Jesus exercising His right to choose to make a positive example of someone.

Well, I have to go to work now, but Ill tell you something, Ill go restudy my bible, have to get it down from the attic. Since some of what you all have been saying makes sense, when I just contemplated on it for a while.

Must sound stupid, I know.

An update will follow.

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

Well, I have to go to work now, but Ill tell you something, Ill go restudy my bible, have to get it down from the attic. Since some of what you all have been saying makes sense, when I just contemplated on it for a while.

Must sound stupid, I know.

An update will follow.

I only own the New Testament by the way.

I dont know if there are other works, I should look into?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

I only own the New Testament by the way.

I dont know if there are other works, I should look into?

You "give sermons" and had a "confirmation", are an atheist considering becoming a pastor, and you only have a New Testament which is up in the attic?

If you want to become a pastor, start with a decent seminary.

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

You "give sermons" and had a "confirmation", are an atheist considering becoming a pastor, and you only have a New Testament which is up in the attic?

If you want to become a pastor, start with a decent seminary.

No, I never claimed to want to be a pastor. My pastor wants me to become a pastor. To this day, she stills asks me to start studying for it, when I meet her when I buy groceries.

No, what I meant now, is I am willing to keep an open mind. I am willing to really start reading the bible again.

I removed it a few years ago, when I had to make room for Ayn Rands: The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.

I dont think that is a bad idea.

I was simply asking for advice.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

No, I never claimed to want to be a pastor. My pastor wants me to become a pastor. To this day, she stills asks me to start studying for it, when I meet her when I buy groceries.

So she has no idea that you are an atheist?

No, what I meant now, is I am willing to keep an open mind. I am willing to really start reading the bible again.

I removed it a few years ago, when I had to make room for Ayn Rands: The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.

Oh, so you have trouble sleeping?

[TimMadsen]

Re: Hello, atheist here.

So she has no idea that you are an atheist?


Oh, so you have trouble sleeping?

She never knew I was an atheist, never had the heart to tell her.

I do have trouble sleeping, yes.

But I am eating some food now, preparing to go to work.

As a cop, I work different hours. Some days, I work from morning to evening. other times from evening to morning. Other times, well.... it is always different.

As a cop in training, they pretty much call on me whenever.