Tweet
Re: New member - (currently) nonBelieving Christian
Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
The suffix -eth marks the present tense in Jacobean English. If you do not believe, you are condemned, damned. You have no eternal reward. Also, have you been baptized?
You are being obtuse in your insistence that Luke 9:62 is about farming. Let's look at the verse in context.
Lk 9:59-62
59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Any man who looks back after following Jesus is unfit for heaven. Some parts of the Bible are clearly designated as parables. For instance, Matthew 21:45 tells us this is a parable:
Mat 21:28b-30 A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
We could easily mistake this for a true story. It's quite plausible. It's a story about a man trying to get his sons to do their chores. But when we understand that it's a parable, we don't take it literally. We realize that instead it is a veiled insult to the Pharisees. Wherever we could mistakenly take a story literally, God has been kind enough to tell us it's just figurative. And so we know the parts not designated as parables, such as the miracles of Jesus, are literal. But no one in their right mind could mistakenly take Luke 9:62 as a literal reference to farming. Some passages are so clearly metaphorical that the Holy Spirit didn't even bother prompting the authors of Scripture to warn readers not to take them literally. Another example would be when Jesus said, "I am the vine, ye are the branches" (Jn 15:5).
You've twisted 1 Peter 1:4-5 terribly. The passage clearly says that those "who are kept by the power of God through faith" have an inheritance that will never fade. If you have no faith, then you aren't being kept, or preserved, by the power of God and you have no inheritance in heaven.
1 Pet 1:6-9
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
If we read on, we find that God tests people's faith through trials. Only those who keep their faith till Jesus returns will be saved. If you fell away, well...
Faith and endurance bulk large in the final verses of the chapter as well.
1 Pet 1:19-25
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
The logic is simple. God lives forever. His Word endures forever. If you've believed His Word, the Gospel, your faith must must also endure. If you fall away and wither, you've been born of corruptible seed. It reminds me of the Parable of the Sower (Mk 4:3-8). (No, it's not about farming.) Jesus explains what it really means:
Mk 4:14-20
14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
If you lose your faith due to deception (by Satan), persecution, trials, then it reflects poorly on your character. You are too hard or too shallow. But if you remain in the faith, it reflects positively on your character. You are a man of substance. It looks to me like you've been tried and found lacking. I don't share your confidence that you'll "get your faith back" before you die. You've got a pretty bleak life ahead of you and an even bleaker eternity.
Originally posted by SavedForEternity
View Post
Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
The suffix -eth marks the present tense in Jacobean English. If you do not believe, you are condemned, damned. You have no eternal reward. Also, have you been baptized?
You are being obtuse in your insistence that Luke 9:62 is about farming. Let's look at the verse in context.
Lk 9:59-62
59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Any man who looks back after following Jesus is unfit for heaven. Some parts of the Bible are clearly designated as parables. For instance, Matthew 21:45 tells us this is a parable:
Mat 21:28b-30 A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
We could easily mistake this for a true story. It's quite plausible. It's a story about a man trying to get his sons to do their chores. But when we understand that it's a parable, we don't take it literally. We realize that instead it is a veiled insult to the Pharisees. Wherever we could mistakenly take a story literally, God has been kind enough to tell us it's just figurative. And so we know the parts not designated as parables, such as the miracles of Jesus, are literal. But no one in their right mind could mistakenly take Luke 9:62 as a literal reference to farming. Some passages are so clearly metaphorical that the Holy Spirit didn't even bother prompting the authors of Scripture to warn readers not to take them literally. Another example would be when Jesus said, "I am the vine, ye are the branches" (Jn 15:5).
You've twisted 1 Peter 1:4-5 terribly. The passage clearly says that those "who are kept by the power of God through faith" have an inheritance that will never fade. If you have no faith, then you aren't being kept, or preserved, by the power of God and you have no inheritance in heaven.
1 Pet 1:6-9
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
If we read on, we find that God tests people's faith through trials. Only those who keep their faith till Jesus returns will be saved. If you fell away, well...
Faith and endurance bulk large in the final verses of the chapter as well.
1 Pet 1:19-25
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
The logic is simple. God lives forever. His Word endures forever. If you've believed His Word, the Gospel, your faith must must also endure. If you fall away and wither, you've been born of corruptible seed. It reminds me of the Parable of the Sower (Mk 4:3-8). (No, it's not about farming.) Jesus explains what it really means:
Mk 4:14-20
14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
If you lose your faith due to deception (by Satan), persecution, trials, then it reflects poorly on your character. You are too hard or too shallow. But if you remain in the faith, it reflects positively on your character. You are a man of substance. It looks to me like you've been tried and found lacking. I don't share your confidence that you'll "get your faith back" before you die. You've got a pretty bleak life ahead of you and an even bleaker eternity.
Comment