[Godly_David]

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I don't care what you believe. We are right and you are wrong

Why? There are thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of sects of Christianity who all interpret them a little differently. What makes you think that yours is the only way?

Jesus also says to follow him and ye shall be saved. Are you telling me that the other 2 billion Christians in the world are damned?

And if we run people off, then good riddens.

That's horrid and unChristian to gladly dismiss someone instead of holding out a hand.

Then stop counting beads and state what is correct and agree with everything the Bible says and you'll be praised

Do you have a problem with the way I pray? How is the correct way to pray?

Why is it so hard to imagine the Son of God coming in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3) while not actually being one of them?

Because that's nonsense, and to be honest, a little bit stupid.

It pains me greatly that you think Jesus was some sheep-smelling darkie who wiped with his left hand.

You are wholly misguided.

Why do you hate people of Arabian descent? You do know that they are Caucasian, right? You can't argue with me on this, it's a fact.

The Bible says Jesus was KING OF THE JEWS

Right, he was the king of the Jews, the key word there being Jew. As in he was a Jew. That again, is a fact.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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I believe you are wrong. Period. The fact that every member is unwilling to debate in an intelligible manner is almost scary. You will discourage people from ever taking Christianity serious and scare them off.

I don't care what you believe. We are right and you are wrong according to Jesus and His Holy Word. We win, you lose, end of story. Instead of allowing child-copulating monsignors to influence your thinking, why not read the Scriptures?

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39)

And there are no "favors" for priests involved in doing so. And if we run people off, then good riddens. That means they were never part of the elect anyway...

"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (I John 2:19)

True Believers™ can't be beaten away with a stick!

I get an infraction almost every time I post, and I'm not doing anything other than TRYING to have a debate about the bible.

Then stop counting beads and state what is correct and agree with everything the Bible says and you'll be praised.

The bible describes Jesus as having skin of bronze and hair of wool.

If you take that as the literal word of Christ, which you always do according to your words, then you must concede that Jesus was not white.

Why is it so hard to imagine the Son of God coming in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3) while not actually being one of them? It pains me greatly that you think Jesus was some sheep-smelling darkie who wiped with his left hand. The Bible says Jesus was KING OF THE JEWS (Mark 15:26).

Read your Bible, boy!

Pastor Ed

[Godly_David]

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Listen, priest-seed, your disrespect is one of your many undoings, as are your bishops and cardinals and indulgences that got nothing on the Bible.

God says the Bible was written from no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:19-23), and the fact that God says we can understand the Scriptures (see Ephesians 5:17; Isaiah 1:18; Luke 24:45; Matthew 24:15) must mean that we can understand it alike (or we do not truly understand it).

I'm sorry you don't agree, but we are going to go with the Lord on this one.

Pastor Ed

I believe you are wrong. Period. The fact that every member is unwilling to debate in an intelligible manner is almost scary.
You will discourage people from ever taking Christianity serious and scare them off.
I get an infraction almost every time I post, and I'm not doing anything other than TRYING to have a debate about the bible.

The bible describes Jesus as having skin of bronze and hair of wool.

If you take that as the literal word of Christ, which you always do according to your words, then you must concede that Jesus was not white.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Here's my two cents, as NO ONE is not interpreting the bible and "reading it" as it reads. There is no such thing. If it says, thou shall not kill, you interpret it as, you shall not kill..

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Listen, priest-seed, your disrespect is one of your many undoings, as are your bishops and cardinals and indulgences that got nothing on the Bible.

God says the Bible was written from no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:19-23), and the fact that God says we can understand the Scriptures (see Ephesians 5:17; Isaiah 1:18; Luke 24:45; Matthew 24:15) must mean that we can understand it alike (or we do not truly understand it).

I'm sorry you don't agree, but we are going to go with the Lord on this one.

Pastor Ed

[Deaner]

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He was a Jew in the middle east; even the bible describes him as having skin of bronze and hair like wool.

You make him sound like an ugly, talking sheep in a petting zoo. You're disgusting.

[Godly_David]

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Friend, you misunderstand.

I do not interpret the Bible. I read it literally. When the Bible says Jesus turns water into wine I don't assume it is a metaphor for faith supplanting alcoholism or that the Resurection was to signify that the creed will continue after the death of Christ (thus avoiding most cult of personality endings).

I read it literally. Jesus DID come back from the dead and He did walk on water.

What 'interpretation' do you have?

Jesus sees you.

Here's my two cents, as NO ONE is not interpreting the bible and "reading it" as it reads. There is no such thing. If it says, thou shall not kill, you interpret it as, you shall not kill..



Thou shalt not kill Exodus 20:13 (KJV)

Other translations read “You shall not murder.” The distinction, as Samples explains, is that killing is to take the life of a human being whereas murder is the intentional taking of a life without just cause, particularly out of malicious motive.

If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

There are two common misunderstandings of this verse. First, that it’s a guarantee of prosperity. Second, that it applies to the reader’s land (for example, those in the US cite this verse for the National Day of Prayer). Yet the context indicates that the Lord is talking about Israel. The team suggests that if there is a general principle, it’s about God’s people. “It has nothing to do with our nation as a whole,” Bontrager explains, “because we [do not live] in a theocracy.”

“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Jeremiah 29:11

This is a powerful verse, no doubt, that’s often used at Christian graduation ceremonies. But “it has to be understood within a broad biblical context,” Bontrager says. It’s a promise to Israel that they will be able to return to the land, the team explains. It’s not a guarantee that modern Christians won’t suffer.

Part 3

I said, “You are ‘gods’; you are all sons of the Most High. Psalm 82:6

Some might take this verse to mean there are other gods. Compare this verse to what Jesus says in John 10:34–36 and it becomes clear this isn’t the case. The team explains that “gods” is instead referring to those who receive the law.

My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart, for they will prolong your life many years and bring you peace and prosperity. Proverbs 3:1–2

It’s generally true that following God’s commands will lead to a longer, more peaceful, and therefore more prosperous life. This verse is not a guarantee of such blessings.

Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it. Proverbs 22:6

This verse might serve as motivation for parents to teach their children “the way they should go” (a good thing). But, again, it’s not a guarantee. The team stresses that it’s important to differentiate between a promise (guarantee) and a proverb (general principle).

Part 4

Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Matthew 7:1

Can a person do as they please without being judged by other Christians? No. Elsewhere in the Bible Paul judges false teachers. Yet it doesn’t mean we judge self-righteously or hypocritically, but in a consistently biblical manner. Plus, the verses that follow clarify that judgment begins with one’s self.

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well. Mark 16:17–18

Many scholars believe the Gospel of Mark originally ended at verse 8. With this in mind, the team takes the position that there’s no foundation to believe in those practices because they’re not in the original. They add, however, that this verse doesn’t mean every Christian will do these things, but there certainly was that kind of activity in the early church—casting out of demons, speaking in other languages, handling of snakes (e.g., Paul on the Island of Malta). Not that anyone should seek to engage in these activities, but they did occur.

Part 5

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. 1 John 2:27a

People often cite this verse as support for their decision to not attend church. But the team explains that this verse is about the issue of the anti-Christ. John is warning the church to make sure their doctrine and their belief about Jesus is correct so as not to be fooled by some “new” (distorted) teaching. According to Bontrager, “To say ‘I just need the Holy Spirit’ is a gross misinterpretation of the text.”

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with this person, and they with me. Revelation 3:20

This message of repentance and restoration is directed to the seven churches of Asia Minor. To cite it for evangelistic purposes is using “good doctrine from the wrong passage.”

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isa 9:6

The verse seems to anticipate the coming of Christ. So why would the Son be called Father? Rogstad suggests this verse indicates Christ’s origins are from eternity. Jesus refers to this verse in John 14:9: “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”

Before plucking out a verse—be it for evangelism, a Bible study, or face paint for the big game—these basic principles will go a long way toward helping readers go from “passive reading to active learning.”

[Mary Etheldreda]

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You're delusional...

Nice. Your mother must be very proud of your manners.

You, dear, are one sided and need to interpret not only the bible better, but the world as a whole.

Friend, the Bible doesn't need to be interpreted "better." It's perfect the way It is because It is the very Word of God, which is perfect.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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What?!

I'm minded of the Christian Taliban.

Please explain why your interpretation is better than mine. And don't say, "because" that will not convince me, nor impress me.

Friend, you misunderstand.

I do not interpret the Bible. I read it literally. When the Bible says Jesus turns water into wine I don't assume it is a metaphor for faith supplanting alcoholism or that the Resurection was to signify that the creed will continue after the death of Christ (thus avoiding most cult of personality endings).

I read it literally. Jesus DID come back from the dead and He did walk on water.

What 'interpretation' do you have?

Jesus sees you.

[Godly_David]

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Good grief! I'm minded to think of stopped clocks!

God bless (but you will reject Him like a real man rejects anal rape).

What?!

I'm minded of the Christian Taliban.

Please explain why your interpretation is better than mine. And don't say, "because" that will not convince me, nor impress me.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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You want to call yourself a Christian? Start obeying the Bible.

Good grief! I'm minded to think of stopped clocks!

God bless (but you will reject Him like a real man rejects anal rape).

[Godly_David]

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And what do we get when people start "interpreting" the Bible "better" (in direct contradiction of the Bible itself, see 2 Peter 1:20)?

Guys living in golden palaces (after taking "vows" of poverty), and buggering children and/or covering up for their accomplices (after taking "vows" of chastity). Great.

You want to call yourself a Christian? Start obeying the Bible.

yes, because reverend Ted Haggard is a much better example to Christians. He's nothing but a homosexual hypocrite meth addict.

We don't follow the pope, or even certain priests for that matter, we follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Anyways, look at the new pope, he refuses all luxury and even eats all meals with his subordinates.

As Catholics we believe in what most Protestants believe in these days, but have a thousand years of history weighing us down. We are making reforms, and I believe pedophiles should burn in hell, we must change the institution that gives them a place to feel comfortable, but not even close to all priests are pedos.

[Didymus Much]

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...need to interpret not only the bible better...

And what do we get when people start "interpreting" the Bible "better" (in direct contradiction of the Bible itself, see 2 Peter 1:20)?

Guys living in golden palaces (after taking "vows" of poverty), and buggering children and/or covering up for their accomplices (after taking "vows" of chastity). Great.

You want to call yourself a Christian? Start obeying the Bible.

[Godly_David]

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Right. They were making a profit. So why would a Jew not only give up the opportunity to make a profit, but savagely beat those who are? It doesn't make sense, dear.



He is Christ. Christ. Christian. Jews aren't Christians. Jews reject Christ. How can Jesus reject Himself?

You're delusional if you believe Christ wasn't jewish. He had his interpretation of Judaism and agreed with a lot of it, but then he taught what he knew to be God's word and Christianity was formed from his teachings, but even so, the bible as a whole unrelated to Jesus is almost copied word for word from the old testament.


And do you really believe the old stereotype that Jews covet, are greedy and would not whip the money lenders from the temple?

You, dear, are one sided and need to interpret not only the bible better, but the world as a whole.

[Didymus Much]

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This isn't even questioned by the majority of Christians...

Appeal to majority = fallacy = (in the vernacular) logic fail.

...Jesus was a Jew.

What Mary said.

[Attila's Wife]

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If Jesus and his disciples gathered together to eat soon after the Passover lamb was sacrificed, what else could they possibly have eaten if not the Passover meal? And if they ate the Passover sacrifice, they must have held a Seder.

This is not a logical argument. If I get together with my friends to eat soon after the Passover lamb has been sacrificed, chances are we are going out for pizza.