[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Originally Posted by Jo Freddie who seems a bit confused following the Brony convention

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The thread you are trying to derail belongs to Mr Gerkoff (it's his intro thread).

I can't prove that he was even ALIVE in the first place let alone dead. You also can't PROVE that he was alive. There are many stories and many cultures have documents and so I believe he was was alive, but once again, there is no actual evidence.

There are accounts by historians who were Jesus' contemporaries and unbiased ones at that. Josephus is a good example of such a historian - he was a Roman citizen and his accounts are available and have been proven valid. He wrote about Jesus' birth and life and also recorded events surrounding His resurrection. I am not sure that he was a believer himself but he did record events accurately as a historian employed by the Roman government. Look him up: Josephus Flavius.

You went on to say:

. . . “.You are not paying attention, the qoute you pick has was about and article Irinka posteed and not Josephus..”

As you can see, Mr Grekoff's claim about non-existence of the historical Jesus was being refuted with a reference to Josephus. Your view that there was no Resurrection and that The Church sort of congealed from the corpse of Roman paganism over a couple of centuries together with your other view that it is not possible to date that historical event (even though you don't believe it occurred at all) means that Josephus' work is at exactly the time your theory would require.

Now the next bit will be too complicated for you (Mr Freddie) so I'll keep it to words of one syllable:

. . .STOP .. GO · ING .. TO .. BRO · NY .. FEST .. IT .. NO .. GOOD .. FOR .. YOU

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello, Friends!

It is such a pity that writing a New Book of The Bible would be sinful, you would have my vote for Holy Scribe!

Glory
AM

See this is where your religion falls down, a living religion should always be open to new text, which is why I came up with "The UnDoctrine of Shit"

Without going into the origins of the Universe or the nature of time as theories on those are covered by 3. & 4

1. Shit happens - We don't know why shit happens.
2. Human nature does not like not knowing why shit happens.
3. Humans invent shit to explain why shit happens.
4. Over time Humans work out new shit as to why some shit happens, this shit at times shows that the shit made up in 3. is wrong.
5. The people that believe the shit in 3. can get very upset by the shit in 4.
6. From time to time shit thought to be from 4. will be found to actually be from 3.

Conventional religion is stuck in 5. Pastafarianism accepts religion as clearly made up shit, so we invite people to make up new shit for ours and add to the Holy Text, with the proviso that it is funny shit and does not advocate stuff like stoning those that don't like our shit, killing the first born or taking all the virgins as slaves.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Earlier you were relying on quite narrow dates to suggest that Josephus was born after Jesus' death and resurrection which, as you say, would be in the same year. As the dates get fuzzier, so does your dogma.

Mr Freddie is not full of anything, he is one of those people in whom there was a noodle shaped space which only noodles could fill. And noodles it is.

EXAMPLE

From the noodle perspective religions in general are a sort of coagulation of divers myths most of which fall by the wayside. From time to time, approximately every 600years or so, certain stories and histories-of-wishful-thinking get conflated and endure. Perhaps in a similar way one sees a river, there are stones and ripples and little eddy currents and leaves and things but occasionally some of those stones and leaves get entangled and then a tree might drop a branch or a buzzard might have a heart attack and plummet and eventually the river branches around this pile of detritus, possibly even forming a new river, over centuries. He would say that there was nothing in particular to distinguish one of those stones or leaves or buzzards, they just coagulated due to random effects that could have occurred any time, anywhere and that Jesus was such a pebble and the stories which formed around His life developed gradually. No great surprise, non-believers pretty much all think that.

But having lost the "discussion" he rants. O you of used the wrong word or That not what contempory mean or I eat worms and of course he does. But parrotting—as we see—the nebulous cant of macaroni ogres mandates that he accept nebulosity more broadly. Origins, in his nightmare, are not specific points in time but gradual agglommerations over centuries or decades at best and contemporay must therefore mean during those formative decades (or centuries).

Josephus fits perfectly that window, indeed he stands at its very nativity, as the benoodled would surely think.

But to noodle is to not think. The "Jesus myth" as he calls it had a nebulous genesis over a couple of centuries, he would declare. Sources from anywhere in that grey area are therefore "contemporaneous" he should say.

He does not say that.

And that is how we know he is empty.

It is such a pity that writing a New Book of The Bible would be sinful, you would have my vote for Holy Scribe!

Glory
AM

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Earlier you were relying on quite narrow dates to suggest that Josephus was born after Jesus' death and resurrection which, as you say, would be in the same year. As the dates get fuzzier,

You are not paying attention, the qoute you pick has was about and article Irinka posteed and not Josephus.

The rest of you post shows you havering been paying attention to anything at all.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello, Friends!

"The day and date of the crucifixion (Good Friday) are known with a fair degree of precision," he said. But the year has been in question.

The day is known because the myths around it tell us it was on The Day of Frigg, the yet the year, no clues to pin it down in the historical record .. ..
Yes I know they are talking of the crucifixion and I am taking about the resurrection, but get a year for one and you've nailed it for the other.

Earlier you were relying on quite narrow dates to suggest that Josephus was born after Jesus' death and resurrection which, as you say, would be in the same year. As the dates get fuzzier, so does your dogma.

Mr Freddie is not full of anything, he is one of those people in whom there was a noodle shaped space which only noodles could fill. And noodles it is.

EXAMPLE

But there is still no record of Him written at the time, only documentation of the myths of a religious sect.

From the noodle perspective religions in general are a sort of coagulation of divers myths most of which fall by the wayside. From time to time, approximately every 600years or so, certain stories and histories-of-wishful-thinking get conflated and endure. Perhaps in a similar way one sees a river, there are stones and ripples and little eddy currents and leaves and things but occasionally some of those stones and leaves get entangled and then a tree might drop a branch or a buzzard might have a heart attack and plummet and eventually the river branches around this pile of detritus, possibly even forming a new river, over centuries. He would say that there was nothing in particular to distinguish one of those stones or leaves or buzzards, they just coagulated due to random effects that could have occurred any time, anywhere and that Jesus was such a pebble and the stories which formed around His life developed gradually. No great surprise, non-believers pretty much all think that.

But having lost the "discussion" he rants. O you of used the wrong word or That not what contempory mean or I eat worms and of course he does. But parrotting—as we see—the nebulous cant of macaroni ogres mandates that he accept nebulosity more broadly. Origins, in his nightmare, are not specific points in time but gradual agglommerations over centuries or decades at best and contemporay must therefore mean during those formative decades (or centuries).

Josephus fits perfectly that window, indeed he stands at its very nativity, as the benoodled would surely think.

But to noodle is to not think. The "Jesus myth" as he calls it had a nebulous genesis over a couple of centuries, he would declare. Sources from anywhere in that grey area are therefore "contemporaneous" he should say.

He does not say that.

And that is how we know he is empty.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Keep the pegleg forward.

What, and have it turned into kindling?

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Now where would be the fun in that dear Irinka?

I fear for my shins should Irinka get within striking distance.

Your idea of fun strikes me as rather childish. Having fun at someone else's expense is the kind of thing I am teaching my children to never do. Beware: Proverbs 1:26

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, Friends!

...I fear for my shins should Irinka get within striking distance.

Keep the pegleg forward.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello, Friends!

You are not Zekie Boy's father or my brother or MatzoLizalor's classmate to allow yourself such liberties. So stop.

Now where would be the fun in that dear Irinka?

Geez, you two, get a room.

I fear for my shins should Irinka get within striking distance.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Geez, you two, get a room.

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: Hello, Friends!

You're STILL not feeling the Love are you? To hung up on a few harmless jibes.

What is wrong with calling Zekie Boy by the same name as his father does?

You are not Pastor Ezekiel's father or my brother or MitzaLizalor's classmate to allow yourself such liberties. So stop.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello, Friends!

By the way, there is no negative connotation to the words Spaghetti, Lasagna or Manicotti, while words like repellent, Zekie Boy and a few others we both know about do have a connotation of condescending and putting down.

You're STILL not feeling the Love are you? To hung up on a few harmless jibes.

What is wrong with calling Zekie Boy by the same name as his father does?

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Still just coming across asIrinka, you really do not know me, I am not full of Hate.

As a Pastafarian I believe the following.

By the way, there is no negative connotation to the words Spaghetti, Lasagna or Manicotti, while words like repellent, Zekie Boy and a few others we both know about do have a connotation of condescending and putting down.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Hello, Friends!

I never said "me" and that is key. I view your hatred as quite generalized, though I also suspect that you do have some kind of axe to grind with me as you seem to constantly call me repellent and get hung up on my every word with the intention of finding fault with it. It does not hurt me, but a perpetual feeling of disgust does creep up on me when I find myself interacting with you. No insult intended, simply stating facts.

There you go again Irinka, concentrating on the negative, and ignoring the Love.

[Irinka the repentant jewess]

Re: Hello, Friends!

Still just coming across asIrinka, you really do not know me, I am not full of Hate.

As a Pastafarian I believe the following.

I never said "me" and that is key. I view your hatred as quite generalized, though I also suspect that you do have some kind of axe to grind with me as you seem to constantly call me repellent and get hung up on my every word with the intention of finding fault with it. It does not hurt me, but a perpetual feeling of disgust does creep up on me when I find myself interacting with you. No insult intended, simply stating facts. If you are a devout pastafsrian, you should not just talk the talk but walk the walk and demonstrate your love by showing kindness and compassion, not name calling (not just me, many others) and arrogant and hateful speech.