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[Peacebewithyou]

My favorite bible verse to share with this forum: Matthew 5 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[b] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. I came to find Jesus over many years. I was born to a christian minister who lost faith early on because of a corrupt church. It has been a walk in faith for decades, as I have uncovered the truth slowly on my own. The most profound change was when God judged me and gave me supernatural visions and I had to beg for forgiveness and a second chance. I believe the people who have gone to hell and say they wouldn't want their worst enemy to go there, because it is terrible beyond imagination. Therefore, one must offer salvation to one's enemies, if they would take it. I don't go to church in person because I haven't found one yet. But I study under George Malkmus...at least I have internet church, and I study from many different pastors on the internet, too numerous to name, and I have a personal mentor in Christ, but he is in another state. Remember there is three diets in the bible: the book of genesis 1:29, then the diet of Moses' people (the unclean and the clean beasts) and then in the new testament the Gentiles are allowed their own omnivorous diet. So, the door is wide open for both Jew and Gentile and their particular lifestyles.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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Wait a minute. Who are these people that have been to Hell?

YIC

[Pim Pendergast]

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Welcome, PBWY. Tell us why Mat 5:21-22 is your favorite passage. What kind of visions did God give you? Tell us about your family.

And also, just make sure all future Bible quotes are from the KJV.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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I would be very wary of visions, for they may be unGodly:

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The devil is able to enter the minds of men and show them many false things.

[Pim Pendergast]

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I would be very wary of visions, for they may be unGodly:

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The devil is able to enter the minds of men and show them many false things.

Well said, Brother. I would rather trust the visions the prophets and Apostles had thousands of years ago than trust a vision someone had very recently.

[Peacebewithyou]

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Dr. Niles asked: Who are these people who have gone to hell? My answer: Those who have gone to hell, also are often shown a glimpse of heaven too. Those who have gone to hell and come back to share, obviously are under protection and given a second chance. Matthew 5:4. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. I want to be really honest about my visitation. I went to a place where there are no second chances and in that place, your sins will receive retribution. I cannot say it was hell, just that it is a place where one goes where one has used up their last chance. The word, Hell, was not stated to me. What makes it frightening beyond imagination is that the reality there is more real than here. THe other thing that makes it terrible is that one is very clear there about what is right and wrong with full awareness about what purity actually is and in that awareness, one must suffer retribution. IT is one thing to do dumb stuff in this plane, under some level of ignorance about what is truly right and wrong, but there, there is no ambiguity, so the suffering is actually much worse. Degrading things done there is far worse, because one is totally aware of what purity is. As far as I can tell, it is just retribution for what one has done. THe hardest thing for me to bear was the awareness of the suffering of others. It broke my heart. I cried out, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do!" for all the people who will end up in that place. Truly my heart opened wide for all sentient beings, and I could never look upon an enemy the same way again. By the way, this experience turned me into a vegan overnight. I had been a vegan years before and had worked for Earthsave and Rainforest action network, but I dropped it after hanging around a lot of CHinese friends. I was shown the retribution for my buying and consuming animal products derived from torture and cruelty from factory farms. Also, hell doesn't only start when you die. Look at how people suffer when they eat junkfood sugar candy and are tormented by their teeth. THis is in that realm, to a small degree. SIns include also what you eat. What we want is God's grace and forgiveness and a second chance. THat is what we want for ourselves and each other, for anyone that has really been made aware of that place of suffering. I fear God not because I really think he is going to kill me, but I fear Him because I know that He can turn His back on a very bad sinner and leave him to his fate and not offer his forgiveness and grace. A person's fate comes from what he sows and the payment is difficult. God can intervene and help, or he can ignore the person and leave them to their payment. SO that is why I fear God and obey. Pim wrote: Welcome, PBWY. Tell us why Mat 5:21-22 is your favorite passage. What kind of visions did God give you? Tell us about your family. My answer: I chose that passage to share with you all, to inspire you all to have compassion for other races. The visions GOd gave me are too numerous to list now but they revealed that he has a perfect memory and laser-like moral precision in his judgement. They revealed his amazing wisdom and genius and goodness. They revealed his holiness and prompted me to read and believe in the Bible starting from the first chapter of Genesis.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Readers are often discouraged by huge blocks of text. Breaking your essays up into paragraphs can make your work much easier for you to organize and for us to read.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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George Malkmus is a fraud, a liar, and a false Christian. Read all about him HERE.

[Pim Pendergast]

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Those who have gone to hell, also are often shown a glimpse of heaven too. Those who have gone to hell and come back to share, obviously are under protection and given a second chance.

People don't come back from hell.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

You have to be dead to go to hell, and the Bible tells us we only die once. Jesus said people can't come back after seeing hell because it won't convince people who don't already believe the Bible (v31 below).

Lk 16:27-31
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send [Lazarus] to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The people you are talking about who have supposedly seen hell have either had a near-death experience or a "vision." Near-death experiences are just that -- what people experience when they are close to death. While these experiences may have things in common, no two people have the same experience. Visions (if they contradict the Bible) are just hallucinations. I wouldn't trust a hallucination -- unless it was recorded by a prophet or an Apostle in Scripture.

I want to be really honest about my visitation. I went to a place where there are no second chances and in that place, your sins will receive retribution.

If there are no second chances in this place, how come you are here now telling us about it?

I cannot say it was hell, just that it is a place where one goes where one has used up their last chance. The word, Hell, was not stated to me.

Even you don't seem to be sure what your visions mean. What good are they, then?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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I believe the people who have gone to hell and say they wouldn't want their worst enemy to go there, because it is terrible beyond imagination.

Are you NUTS?



Of COURSE I want my worst enemies (joos, mooslims, hindoos, presbyterians, etc.) in Hell. That's because I'm going to be sitting right up there in Heaven with Jesus, laughing at all the jerkwads who rejected His Blood, just like it says in the Bible:

(Psalms 2:4-5) "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure."

Jesus isn't some damned smelly hippie: He has RULES.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Mary Etheldreda]

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[God] has a perfect memory and laser-like moral precision in his judgement.... his amazing wisdom and genius and goodness.... his holiness....

Oh AMEN to that! We know the LORD's moral compass is perfect and righteous and good all the time, other wise we might think it's morally wrong to ignore the eternal suffering of sentient people for all eternity for the simple crime of ignorance, especially when one has the power to intervene and help. But we know God is good all the time, all the time God is good, even when, as you say, "God can intervene and help, or he can ignore the person and leave them...." and He leaves them indeed! To suffer for ever and ever and ever!

Praise JESUS!

but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18

[Peacebewithyou]

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To Pim, I did not have a near death experience or die; I had a vision


To Mary, actually we have to care about all sentient beings. Before I went to that bad place, I ascended to what seemed like heaven...a very bright peaceful place with such intense tranquility, it was difficult to even have any thoughts...just abiding in tranquility. IT was like I went into the future and I knew that my debts had been resolved in life and I had freedom. But suddenly I did have a thought in this bright formless realm. I remembered my brother in pain on the earth. I did not do enough to help him and he was suffering in life. At that point, that is when I dropped down to a realm that seemed like hell. That is when my heart opened to all sentient beings suffering and I have never been the same again. I did feel what Jesus felt, when he said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." I felt it too. I still feel it. THat awareness is life-changing. IT is like your heart is a flower. Once the flowerbud opens, it cannot close again.


For the young man who quoted Psalm 2. When a heavenly being with an enlightened mind laughs at an ordinary human, it is not with human emotion, like glee. It is laughter at the silliness of what these children are attached to. It is laughter about what they take so seriously. It is funny, like a joke. It is actually good to have this point of view. When you can laugh at your conflicts, at your interpersonal fights, at what you are trying to hoard for yourself or any ego-stroking...when you can laugh at all these things sincerely, life is so much easier and then you can start to see higher. This laughter is not meant to be condescending or belittling. It is just funny in their eyes. People are fighting so hard against each other to gain the upper hand, when there is the whole world out there, and also an immense inner world to cultivate. It is funny. I am glad that I get the joke. It made me laugh, too, from my belly...

[Mary Etheldreda]

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For the young man who quoted Psalm 2. When a heavenly being with an enlightened mind laughs at an ordinary human, it is not with human emotion, like glee. It is laughter at the silliness of what these children are attached to. It is laughter about what they take so seriously.

Yes! Laughing at the silliness of being attached to things like nerve endings that don't scream constantly at the pain of being burned, and the childish sorrow of never getting any respite from intense pain like singed body parts finally falling off, or loss of consciousness! The LORD laughs at the folly of humans wanting to be free from constant, horrifying pain! Oh, it may sound cruel to those who are duped by the moral code of modern society, but we know His ways are higher than our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9), and so we know to suppress that part of our minds that recoil in disgust and horror at the mere idea of endless, insufferable torture of a human being (much less most humans throughout history) for the unpardonable crime of not believing that Jesus lives in Heaven and yet is present on earth, that He mysteriously impregnated a woman 2000 years ago so she could give birth to Him to undergo an ancient ritual of blood sacrifice in order to dispel a curse laid upon them before they were conceived, insuring they would live forever, and in the meantime trusting Jesus to manipulate the world for them upon request (some restrictions apply), even though they have never seen that happen to anyone anywhere ever.



Although I think you're mistaken about the vegetarian stuff. That not only sounds silly, it directly goes against what Jesus says (Matthew 15:11), and what God commands (Acts 11:7).

[Pim Pendergast]

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To Pim, I did not have a near death experience or die; I had a vision

The Bible doesn't put much store by visions, which is remarkable considering the number of visions recorded in the Bible. False visions are common. In the passages below to see vanity means to have a false vision.

Ez 13:6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
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Ez 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God.
Ez 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

Ez 21:29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

Ez 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.

Lam 2:14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

Perhaps God Himself has given you these false visions.

Jer 20:7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

Whatever the case, visions are unreliable. People from all religions claim to have visions, and they can't all be right. You're only one of many people I've heard claim to have a vision of hell. I've yet to hear two accounts that match. The Bible is a collection of many visions by many different men over many centuries, and it is the only reliable source of information on hell.

[Richard de Goddeley]

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The Bible is a collection of many visions by many different men over many centuries, and it is the only reliable source of information on hell.

With the world in the state it is, the Bible is the only reliable source of information ANYWHERE. Scientists are Satan's minions in the flesh, turning away the faithful daily. Sodomites run around on our streets unshackled by a society brainwashed by the media. Even our children are under attack, attending pubic "schools" where they are taught gibberish meant only to turn them from God!

Thank the Lord that the end is so close! Finally we can see the true followers redeemed and the sinners sent to hell to burn for all eternity!