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  • Luaera
    Unsaved trash, Danish witch
    Under Investigation
    • Jan 2014
    • 19

    #46
    Re: Introducing the curious one

    Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
    If it's your own potential to will things to happen then how is that magical, and not simply your own ability to make things happen?
    I have understood so much that by your will you make things change in your life through symbolic acts, words and so forth. If you want to know more about the backgrounds and details you would have to ask a more devoted Wiccan about it.


    Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
    So this "religion" doesn't actually answer questions about human life or nature, as you earlier said. Perhaps you were simply repeating what you'd been told, but upon deeper reflection, you discover this claim fails to deliver.
    This is more a mistake from my side. I worded my answer incorrectly I ma afraid and the latter was more close to what I meant.



    Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
    Which are what? You've already exposed "magic" for being a vague and imprecise way of saying people can do what they put their minds to. You've already pointed out the silly belief of the afterlife based on naught but lovely fantasies. What more can you share?
    There are detailed books about the symbolics, rituals and theories, but I am yet to read them since I am pretty new to Wicca still. If you wish to find more you should try finding someone who has read more than I have, I am afraid.
    Exodus 22:18
    Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

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    • Luaera
      Unsaved trash, Danish witch
      Under Investigation
      • Jan 2014
      • 19

      #47
      Re: Introducing the curious one

      Originally posted by FreeFromBrains View Post
      So are you saying magic is simply people working a bit harder at things?
      According to Wicca it is a way to bend the energies of the world to help you achieve something. (Though you prevent bad things from happening by casting a circle, etc, but that is also something that I have very few details about how it actually works and where the tradition comes from originally. There are a lot of aspects to magic, preparations, fail safes etc.)

      But the world won't serve things for you on a silverplate, you still have to do some worrk yourself, though your magic will give you a little push on the way.
      Exodus 22:18
      Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

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      • Mary Etheldreda
        Gushing for Jesus
         
        • Sep 2011
        • 23775

        #48
        Re: Introducing the curious one

        Originally posted by Luaera View Post
        If you wish to find more you should try finding someone who has read more than I have, I am afraid.
        I have no interest in learning how to be a witch. I'm curious as to why you do. You came here saying that you are searching, but your searches lead to you paganism. When anyone asks you why, you have no answer.

        Why do you think that is?

        What is it about this fantasy religion that attracts you?

        What does it have that Christ Himself doesn't?
        Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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        • FreeFromBrains
          Unsaved trash, teenaged fool
          • May 2012
          • 389

          #49
          Re: Introducing the curious one

          Originally posted by Luaera View Post
          According to Wicca it is a way to bend the energies of the world to help you achieve something. (Though you prevent bad things from happening by casting a circle, etc, but that is also something that I have very few details about how it actually works and where the tradition comes from originally. There are a lot of aspects to magic, preparations, fail safes etc.)

          But the world won't serve things for you on a silverplate, you still have to do some worrk yourself, though your magic will give you a little push on the way.
          That sounds like it takes away from one's own autonomy. Surely, what a fellow does is the product of his own hard work: what would lead someone to think there is an external force that is responsible for his own achievements?

          Sounds like that kind of thinking is going to slow down the natural process of self acceptance and self actualisation.

          How you heard the terms 'magical thinking' and 'confirmation bias'?
          A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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          • Luaera
            Unsaved trash, Danish witch
            Under Investigation
            • Jan 2014
            • 19

            #50
            Re: Introducing the curious one

            Originally posted by FreeFromBrains View Post
            That sounds like it takes away from one's own autonomy. Surely, what a fellow does is the product of his own hard work: what would lead someone to think there is an external force that is responsible for his own achievements?

            Sounds like that kind of thinking is going to slow down the natural process of self acceptance and self actualisation.

            How you heard the terms 'magical thinking' and 'confirmation bias'?
            Yes, I have. And I am a bit more realistic than to believe that all is done by magic. I see it more as a confidence booster and a way to give yourself the feeling of "I can do this". In the end it is the person themself who achieve something, not the magic. Though it usually is a good idea to also show gratitude to the world for giving that extra help, it doesn't exactly make things worse.
            Exodus 22:18
            Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

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            • Luaera
              Unsaved trash, Danish witch
              Under Investigation
              • Jan 2014
              • 19

              #51
              Re: Introducing the curious one

              Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
              You came here saying that you are searching, but your searches lead to you paganism. When anyone asks you why, you have no answer.
              After searching for a while paganism and in ways Wicca gave a name to what I believed in. I found something that looked at the world in the same way I had already done for a while, though now I am looking for a clearer definition than pagan, since it is such a wide term.

              Christianity has many of the same characteristics, yes, but the way one expresses themself and how doesn't seem right to me, to put it simply.
              Exodus 22:18
              Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

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              • FreeFromBrains
                Unsaved trash, teenaged fool
                • May 2012
                • 389

                #52
                Re: Introducing the curious one

                Originally posted by Luaera View Post
                Yes, I have. And I am a bit more realistic than to believe that all is done by magic. I see it more as a confidence booster and a way to give yourself the feeling of "I can do this". In the end it is the person themself who achieve something, not the magic. Though it usually is a good idea to also show gratitude to the world for giving that extra help, it doesn't exactly make things worse.
                That sounds like the placebo effect. Or even the Hawthorn effect.

                How could you ever know the difference from doing well all by yourself or doing well yourself plus magic?
                A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

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                • Luaera
                  Unsaved trash, Danish witch
                  Under Investigation
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 19

                  #53
                  Re: Introducing the curious one

                  Originally posted by FreeFromBrains View Post
                  That sounds like the placebo effect. Or even the Hawthorn effect.

                  How could you ever know the difference from doing well all by yourself or doing well yourself plus magic?
                  Placebo effect is a good word for it, yes. There isn't really a way to prove that it actually works, but even though it is placebo it works and that is usually enough for most people. Most people are aware that it could just as well be a simple placebo effect, but they still keep going. Faith doesn't necessarily have to be proved by science, since you believe in it and that's enough
                  Exodus 22:18
                  Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

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                  • Mary Etheldreda
                    Gushing for Jesus
                     
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 23775

                    #54
                    Re: Introducing the curious one

                    Originally posted by Luaera View Post
                    though now I am looking for a clearer definition than pagan, since it is such a wide term.
                    Exactly. You might find the most accurate definition of paganism is: Pretending What I Want To Be True Is True.

                    Originally posted by Luaera View Post
                    Christianity has many of the same characteristics,
                    Hardly. God's omnipotence is real. Pagan is just collective Pretend Time for lonely women who want to feel empowered and feminine, even while they let themselves get fat and boring.
                    Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                    • see_the_light
                      True Christian™
                      True Christian™
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1386

                      #55
                      Re: Introducing the curious one

                      Originally posted by Luaera View Post

                      Christianity has many of the same characteristics, yes, but the way one expresses themself and how doesn't seem right to me, to put it simply.
                      I have been absent from this thread for a couple of posts because I didn't want to ask more pagan things and make you dwell in that pit (given that you barely scraped the surface good for your soul and let it stay that way).

                      But now we arrive at the crux of the question

                      Given that you were raised a lutheran your douts about christianism might be warranted.

                      Do you care to explain what and why the expression failed and it just "doesn't seem right "

                      As I mentioned earlier we'd advise you to read and ask questions arising from the KJV 1611, but to help you find your way to JESUS earlier we might put to rest some of your doubts.

                      PRAISE THE LORD!

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                      • see_the_light
                        True Christian™
                        True Christian™
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 1386

                        #56
                        Re: Introducing the curious one

                        Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                        Exactly. You might find the most accurate definition of paganism is: Pretending What I Want To Be True Is True.



                        Hardly. God's omnipotence is real. Pagan is just collective Pretend Time for lonely women who want to feel empowered and feminine, even while they let themselves get fat and boring.
                        Exactly, from what I have seem in other threads the pagans we had so far were either boys that wanted to get drunk, fornicate right and left and pretend to themselves that they are mighty warriors of old, OR scorned girls/women that would like to fornicate and be popular but "mirror says no" so they play their frustrations to convince themselves that they could "anything" if they set their "powers" to it but make nothing because "it's an harmony thing with the ""godess"".

                        In a certain sense it's even more worrying than full fledged heathens, they are lulled into a "children playing grownups in fairyland" thing and I fear that they'll deny the years they see in the mirror until by their death-bed they see the hollow and sinful life they led.

                        Even if they are stupid enough not to see that satan is smiling behind that mirror , they will see when they find themselves in hell.

                        PRAY TO JESUS!

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                        • Pastor Ezekiel
                          Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                           
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 78555

                          #57
                          Re: Introducing the curious one

                          Dear witch;

                          If you'd like to find out more about Landover Baptist Church, please read THIS thread created especially for new posters.

                          If you have a question, use the "search" function before posting it. Most likely it is being discussed somewhere on this Godly forum. Please don't waste God's precious bandwidth.

                          You will keep a respectful tongue in your head whenever addressing your betters, which includes all True Christians™. Failure to do so, or any attempt at inciting debate or mockery of God's Divine Plan, can and will result in the suspension of your posting privileges.

                          Your rights on this forum are listed HERE. If you feel that any of these rights have been violated, please don't hesitate to contact a Pastor at once.

                          We are not interested in hearing you babble on about witchcraft. So cut that out, and ask Jesus to take charge of your life.

                          YIC,

                          --Pastor Ezekiel
                          Who Will Jesus Damn?

                          Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                          Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                          • James Hutchins
                            True Christian™
                            Just a Regular Nice Guy
                             
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 29453

                            #58
                            Re: Introducing the curious one

                            Welcome Ms. Montana.

                            I am pleased you want to become a Christian. A eternity in Heaven beats an eternity in Hell six days a week, the seventh obviously, is reserved for Jesus.
                            Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                            Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                            Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                            Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                            Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                            Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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