[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New Christian

You want me to believe
that Jesus was God but yet did not
know the time of His return which only God knew?

If that's what the Bible says, then yes.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

Your problem, dear friend, is that you are trying to figure things out for yourself instead of simply taking God's word for it, which is not how God wants you to do things:

[Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV] 5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

If the Bible says that the Word is God, that Jesus is the Word, and that Jesus was not in possession of certain information, then we must accept all of those things as true. God said it; Christians must believe it; that settles it.

You want me to believe
that Jesus was God but yet did not
know the time of His return which only God knew?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New Christian

Jesus was a man. He has a soul.

Does God have a soul?

If God has a soul, then how can God be Jesus.

If God does not have a soul, then how can God be Jesus?

Your problem, dear friend, is that you are trying to figure things out for yourself instead of simply taking God's word for it, which is not how God wants you to do things:

[Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV] 5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

If the Bible says that the Word is God, that Jesus is the Word, and that Jesus was not in possession of certain information, then we must accept all of those things as true. God said it; Christians must believe it; that settles it.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

Unless the Bible says something, I cannot comment on why God chooses to share some information, but not other information, among Himselves:

[Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV] 8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

I do know that the Bible verses that I and others have quoted show that Jesus is God, and you haven't rebutted our explanation.

Jesus was a man. He has a soul.

Does God have a soul?

If God has a soul, then how can God be Jesus.

If God does not have a soul, then how can God be Jesus?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New Christian

How come Jesus Christ did not know the time of His return being that you say He is God.

Unless the Bible says something, I cannot comment on why God chooses to share some information, but not other information, among Himselves:

[Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV] 8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

I do know that the Bible verses that I and others have quoted show that Jesus is God, and you haven't rebutted our explanation.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

Scripture tells us that the Word is God and that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one:

[John 1:1 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[1 John 5:7 KJV] 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And who is the Word? That's right: The Word is Jesus Christ:

[John 1:14-17 KJV] 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

So the Bible confirms that Jesus is God and is one with the Father. Since we don't believe in cherry-picking and twisting verses to make the Bible sound internally contradictory, something that God's Word just cannot be, it's obvious that the verses that you have cited need to be read consistently with those that we True Christians™ have cited.

How come Jesus Christ did not know the time of His return being that you say He is God.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: New Christian

I would like to know what the men of the forum
have to say concerning what I have said?

Scripture tells us that the Word is God and that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one:

[John 1:1 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[1 John 5:7 KJV] 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And who is the Word? That's right: The Word is Jesus Christ:

[John 1:14-17 KJV] 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

So the Bible confirms that Jesus is God and is one with the Father. Since we don't believe in cherry-picking and twisting verses to make the Bible sound internally contradictory, something that God's Word just cannot be, it's obvious that the verses that you have cited need to be read consistently with those that we True Christians™ have cited.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

Are you afraid I used the Girly-Princess-Doesn't-Really-Count Bible?

Say on, I would like to know what you have to say to me about it.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: New Christian

I would like to know what the men of the forum
have to say concerning what I have said?

Are you afraid I used the Girly-Princess-Doesn't-Really-Count Bible?

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

I don't know. Mormons? I've never heard this, it sounds silly to me.



And yet are the same, proving once again only an infinitely powerful God could be both the same, and different, and yet not different, and yet not exactly the same!

As you no doubt recall, Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the Triune Godhood, along with the Holy Spirit. The Trinity has always existed, God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the-Holy Spirit, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), and we know God-the-Son wouldn't lie about this because God-the-Father is trustworthy. He tells us to trust Him, so He must be (Psalm 62:8).

When God-the-Father took on the form of God-the-Son, He gave up His Heavenly Glory to become a servant (Philippians 2:5-11). As God-the-Son, He had to learn obedience to Himself / God-the-Father (Hebrews 5:8). We know of course that He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified, even though He as God-the-Father knew in advance what to expect, as well as the eventual outcome. God-the-Son praying to Himself as God-the-Father showed His dependence upon Himself in His humanity to carry out His plan of redemption, as evidenced in His high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46). See? They are still One.

I would like to know what the men of the forum
have to say concerning what I have said?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: New Christian

[B]Who started that lie "Jesus is an angel".

I don't know. Mormons? I've never heard this, it sounds silly to me.

Here I will teach you the difference between Jesus and God.
By using the scriptures from the Bible...

And yet are the same, proving once again only an infinitely powerful God could be both the same, and different, and yet not different, and yet not exactly the same!

As you no doubt recall, Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the Triune Godhood, along with the Holy Spirit. The Trinity has always existed, God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the-Holy Spirit, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), and we know God-the-Son wouldn't lie about this because God-the-Father is trustworthy. He tells us to trust Him, so He must be (Psalm 62:8).

When God-the-Father took on the form of God-the-Son, He gave up His Heavenly Glory to become a servant (Philippians 2:5-11). As God-the-Son, He had to learn obedience to Himself / God-the-Father (Hebrews 5:8). We know of course that He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified, even though He as God-the-Father knew in advance what to expect, as well as the eventual outcome. God-the-Son praying to Himself as God-the-Father showed His dependence upon Himself in His humanity to carry out His plan of redemption, as evidenced in His high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46). See? They are still One.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

And HERE'S MORE ... from the SCRIPTURES ... that SAYS the EXACT OPPOSITE:

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

[Didymus Much]

Re: New Christian

...More UNDENIABLE ABSOLUTE PROOF...from the SCRIPTURES...
that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God...

And HERE'S MORE ... from the SCRIPTURES ... that SAYS the EXACT OPPOSITE:

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

This ain't the TC's first rodeo, pardner.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

Here I will teach you the difference between Jesus and God.
By using the scriptures from the Bible.

Matthew, Chapter 26

39: And he went a little farther, and fell on his face,
and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

42: He went away again the second time, and prayed,
saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me,
except I drink it, thy will be done.

THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN WILL.

More UNDENIABLE ABSOLUTE PROOF...from the SCRIPTURES...
that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

John
1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

The WORD is The SPIRIT of LIFE.

Jesus is The LIGHT.

The LIGHT came from The WORD.

[Robert Sanders]

Re: New Christian

Who started that lie "Jesus is an angel".

If Jesus is an angel as they believe.

Then God who is the Father,

would have to be an Angel.

God is not an angel!