[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Wow. Ignorance really is bliss. I can't take much more of this. You can't get anything through your thick skulls can you? I gave you verses specifically declaring pleasureable sex with your wife/husband as holy and basically commanded by God! If you don't believe me, do some research to find places in the Bible where it is explained, but stop putting your blasphemous words into his mouth. Add words to the Bible and you can burn in Hell.

Is this website all a divine revelation? I thought it was not as good as heroin and bukkake at first, but now I'm sure it is divinely inspired.
I'm almost certain now that you guys are the best Christians ever. Thank you for turning me on to Jesus!

Sex is pleasurable, and if kept in the procreative confines of marriage, it is blessed by God...

Hebrews 13:4: Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

It's all right there in the Bible, dear.

Pastor Ed

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Wow. Ignorance really is bliss. I can't take much more of this. You can't get anything through your thick skulls can you? I gave you verses specifically declaring pleasureable sex with your wife/husband as holy and basically commanded by God! If you don't believe me, do some research to find places in the Bible where it is explained, but stop putting your blasphemous words into his mouth. Add words to the Bible and you can burn in Hell.

Is this website all a divine revelation? I thought it was not as good as heroin and bukkake at first, but now I'm sure it is divinely inspired.
I'm almost certain now that you guys are the best Christians ever. Thank you for turning me on to Jesus!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

and the third (and most widely agreed belief) is that it is simply wrtten as a lyrical poem "to extole human love and marriage."

That doesn't make any sense, dear, as the Holy Spirit worked through the Jews who had no concept of love within marriage. For them it was, and still is, naught but a commercial union through which two families' wealth is joined. To suggest otherwise is to suggest the LORD didn't know the Jewish people or how to best reach them. That's silly, as they were His chosen ones, after all.

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

That is actually widely debated by theologians, so don't say you know with absolute certainty that this is what it means. There are generally four sides to the debate. One of them is the allegory which you suggest that it is an allegory for Christ and the Church. At the time of its writing, though, it would most likely have been God and Israel. The other three ideas are that it might have been a script for a dramatic romance, a typifyication where Solomon represents Christ and the Shulamite (female) represents the Church, and the third (and most widely agreed belief) is that it is simply wrtten as a lyrical poem "to extole human love and marriage."

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

My confusion really comes from readings of Song of Songs (or Song of Solomon) which rejoices in a couple taking pleasure in each others body as they make love. If this sort of thing is describe as holy in the Bible, why is it wrong?

Because it is an allegory of Christ and the Church...

Song of Solomon 2:1-4:
"1 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.
2 As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.
3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love."

Ephesians 5:25-32: "25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

You aren't here looking to use Jesus' Holy Religious Text as a means of sexual sin are you?

Pastor Ed

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

I'm still waiting for a reply concerning the other 3 verses.
Concerning what you are saying, though, if this is the love between man and God, shouldn't this also be emulated between husband and wife which is the literal meaning of the piece. The literal meaning is that it is love between two lovers. If this love is such an example holy enough to symbolize the love between man and God, then how can you call it unholy if it is the love blessed by GOD?
Moving on, though, tell me what you think about those earlier 3 verses I posted.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

It is written as from a female's perspective in parts and a male's in others, or did you skip that part?
Look at the last three verses I posted, though. I want your opinion on those three in particular.

It only APPEARS to be written from a female and then male perspective. But The Lord isn't some confused middle age transvestite, The Lord is a MAN so in TRUTH(tm) it's written from a MALE perspective about God's love for a MAN

There is nothing perverted about it.

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

It is written as from a female's perspective in parts and a male's in others, or did you skip that part?
Look at the last three verses I posted, though. I want your opinion on those three in particular.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Wow. If any of you actually read your bibles or even the verses I posted, you would understand. Sit down to the scripture and read the TRUTH! You have perverted what God has made holy. Have any of you read any of Solomon's writings? I post them but like the blind, you overlook them. Fornication is DEFINED as sex outside of marriage! Someone even posted that definition! You sons and daughters of snakes, why have you added and taken away from the Bible? The verses I posted show that it is COMMANDED to engage sexually! And to the one who said that a man who looks at a woman with lust, he has committed adultery in his heart- do you not know what adultery is? It is lusting for someone whom God has not givento you to be bound at the soul. The Bible clearly says that if you live lustfully and long for sex, you should marry so that you do not sin by having sex unmarried! Look it up!

The Song Solomon is about God's love for MAN! It has nothing to with a woman. Do you think The Lord is just some pervert who only wants to spoog between some harlot's dirty pillows?

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

You don't have to believe me, but believe that the Bible is infallible! Look at the verses I gave you and tell me what you think.

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Wow. If any of you actually read your bibles or even the verses I posted, you would understand. Sit down to the scripture and read the TRUTH! You have perverted what God has made holy. Have any of you read any of Solomon's writings? I post them but like the blind, you overlook them. Fornication is DEFINED as sex outside of marriage! Someone even posted that definition! You sons and daughters of snakes, why have you added and taken away from the Bible? The verses I posted show that it is COMMANDED to engage sexually! And to the one who said that a man who looks at a woman with lust, he has committed adultery in his heart- do you not know what adultery is? It is lusting for someone whom God has not givento you to be bound at the soul. The Bible clearly says that if you live lustfully and long for sex, you should marry so that you do not sin by having sex unmarried! Look it up!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Yes. Fornication is sex outside of marriage, but that's not what I am talking about. I'm talking about sex between a husband and a wife.

NO! Fornication is Fornication! You have sex with your wife just because you delude yourself it's fun, it's the same as having sex with your dog.

[Didymus Much]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

...My misuse of a word does not change what the truth of sex in marriage...

Yes, your truth, not the Bible's, no matter how many times you repeat it.

...It is only Holy to perform sex with your partner, but if you lust in your heart for another, you have committed adultery...

Hmmm, let's see:

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Anything there about lookething on women EXCEPT your wife? I ain't seeing it. Therefore, it means looking on ANY woman (even your wife) with lust is a bad thing.

... That is why you should love your partner always and never look at another because this is the only relationship God has declared good for you.

More of you putting your words in God's mouth.

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Haha, touche. My misuse of a word does not change what the truth of sex in marriage. God commands it lest Satan leads us away to fulfill our temptations outside of our marriage bed. It is only Holy to perform sex with your partner, but if you lust in your heart for another, you have committed adultery. That is why you should love your partner always and never look at another because this is the only relationship God has declared good for you.

[Attila's Wife]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Lusting, not lasting. My tablet is difficult to type on.

Moses had no such problems.