[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

My confusion really comes from readings of Song of Songs (or Song of Solomon) which rejoices in a couple taking pleasure in each others body as they make love. If this sort of thing is describe as holy in the Bible, why is it wrong?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

My confusion really comes from readings of Song of Songs (or Song of Solomon) which rejoices in a couple taking pleasure in each others body as they make love. If this sort of thing is describe as holy in the Bible, why is it wrong?

Do you and your husband have a flat chested little sister (Song of Solomon 8:8)? Do you have a belly like a heap of wheat (Song of Solomon 7:2)? I'm no theologian, dear, but perhaps those particular letters weren't written to, or about, you.

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

No, they're not about me. They are about a couple who made beautiful love together and it was holy. Solomon wrote this piece as the song of all songs as it rejoices in the passion of two lovers. Who the people are is of no importance to the meaning as a whole. A God ordained marriage leads to this God ordained love which rejoices in individuals who love everything about their partner.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

A God ordained marriage leads to this God ordained love which rejoices in individuals who love everything about their partner.

A God ordained marriage leads to a an organized union in which Christ is the head of the man, the man is the head of the woman (1 Corinthians 11:3), and the woman delivers a quiver full of boys (Psalms 127:3-5). If you think marriage is about your husband worshiping you, then you will have led him astray, and you both will be serving the devil.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

The love of Christ for us, The Church, His Bride does not involve bordello themed soireés or disgusting obsessions (such as African fetish worship) and Jesus does not impregnate us. That is His Father's job and Jesus is the Answer. It was only necessary for one woman to be so blessed:

Luke 1:28-31 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. KJV

As the first step forward in the line from David to Jesus, Solomon was fully aware of these details and has anticipated our every longing for fulfillment in Him. Is it being suggested that God needs to impregnate more of us for His Glory to rise?

Isaiah 59:21–60:3 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. KJV
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[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Are you denying an entire book of the Bible which rejoices in making love to one another? During procreation, God gives us the blessing of being allowed to enjoy each others bodies, not worship them. Think about the difference between humans and animals. An animal does things purely to produce but lacks the ability to take pleasure in these acts. If they did enjoy them, they would follow their animalistic instinct to continuously fulfill those sensations. God, though has blessed us, the humans, with the ability to feel intimate pleasure. It is holy for a man and a woman to abstain from each other until they are brought together in a monogomous relationship. Then, they are allowed to share themselves with each other under God's blessing. If you deny that it is holy to enjoy your partner, then you deny the wisdom of King Solomon blessed by God and therefore deny the absolute truth of the Bible and if one word os false, then how can we prove the next is true?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Are you denying an entire book of the Bible which rejoices in making love to one another?

Miss Lizalor denies nothing that comes from the LORD. She is a True Christian™ lady, one who has been Saved from an eternity of Damnation, bought for a most treasured price (1st Corinthians 7:23). To insinuate she could deny that which makes her Whole and Complete and Perfect is to insinuate she doesn't really love Jesus after all. I know how deeply her feelings for Christ runs. Kindly don't make such accusations again. It's rude and offensive.

During procreation, God gives us the blessing of being allowed to enjoy each others bodies, not worship them.

You advocate enjoying each other's bodies for the sake of pleasure of the flesh. This directly goes against Scripture (Galatians 5:17). Are you suggesting your interpretation of Song of Solomon is more Righteous than Paul's?

Think about the difference between humans and animals. An animal does things purely to produce but lacks the ability to take pleasure in these acts. If they did enjoy them, they would follow their animalistic instinct to continuously fulfill those sensations.

I'm going to take a stab at this, but, you're not terribly familiar with animal behavior, are you?

Anyway...

God, though has blessed us, the humans, with the ability to feel intimate pleasure.

Dear, if the bride can't go a little bit further to maintain her purity to please the LORD, if she must "get it on" on the honeymoon, the marriage is naught but an excuse to follow one's "animalistic instinct to continuously fulfill those sensations." You may think that by using the sanctity of marriage as an excuse you are still honoring Christ, but He knows you're honoring your G-spot over Him.

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

What does the Bible say about sex and marriage? It says that if you are going to do it, it is better to be married than burn in Hell for sex outside of wedlock. It doesn't say, don't marry if you only plan on having sex. It says that if this is what you plan on, don't let it be a sin. That being the case, it is condoned to marry for lustful or sexual reasons because it is allowed within the constrains of marriage but it would be sinful if you weren't married.
Of course, before I am bashed for saying that sex is only for pleasure, I will clarify. Sex is for procreation, but God has indeed blessed us with our bodies to rejoices in each other. To intimately rejoice in this manner during a monogomous relationship which God has brought together is to praise God's power and blessings. A couple are bound to one another in that they can love each other intellectually, spiritually, and now physically.

I also know from my study of animals that they do not do it for pleasure. Animals solely reproduce for the continuation of their lineage.

As far as your friend, I was only speaking the truth as God would have me do. She denounced pleasure during sex as leading a man astray and therefore of Satan. Was Solomon a servant of Satan or of God? God blessed Solomon with wisdom- he was the wisest of the wise, yet you overlook how he expresses the blessings that God puts on this intimacy between two lovers.

[Didymus Much]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

...I also know from my study of animals that they do not do it for pleasure. Animals solely reproduce for the continuation of their lineage...

Then why are there documented cases of homosexual behaviour (short- and long-term) throughout the animal kingdom?

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Scientifically speaking, that's unproven and circumstantial. Of course, if that's your stance, then let's not forget that they also act with offspring killings and intraspecies eating. Humans count that as murder of children and cannibalism.

[Donovan A. Mordecai]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Scientifically speaking, that's unproven and circumstantial. Of course, if that's your stance, then let's not forget that they also act with offspring killings and intraspecies eating. Humans count that as murder of children and cannibalism.

God is not necessarily against those things, He just prefers to have the initiative.

Jeremiah 19:9


And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.

Exodus11:5

And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

Yours in Him
DAM

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Humans count that as murder of children and cannibalism.

Unless of course the human is directed by the LORD to discipline. Then it's counted as GLORY!

(Numbers 25:1-9; Joshua 8:1-29; Judges 20:48; Deuteronomy 28:53-57; Jeremiah 19: 9)

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Sex is for procreation, but God has indeed blessed us with our bodies to rejoices in each other. To intimately rejoice in this manner during a monogomous relationship which God has brought together is to praise God's power and blessings. A couple are bound to one another in that they can love each other intellectually, spiritually, and now physically.

You're just making this up as you go. Paul says nothing about enjoying the act of procreation, and even leads off by telling us that it's best for a Christian man to not even touch a woman at all, except to avoid fornication. There is no mention of intense multiple orgasms or mind-blowing ejaculations.

1 Corinthinas 7:1-5 "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."

Your conjecture is why we have so much sexual sin in this country. "It's all about enjoying each other."

No wonder the fags think it's perfectly fine to punch rectums and inseminate the distal colons of other sissies.

In Christ

[Didymus Much]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Scientifically speaking, that's unproven and circumstantial...

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.
From the middle of October until next summer the Norwegian Natural History Museum of the University of Oslo will host the first exhibition that focuses on homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

"One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.

The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals...

You were saying?

...Of course, if that's your stance, then let's not forget that they also act with offspring killings...

So do Christians.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

So you disagree with science that disagrees with you, and you disagree with the Christians when they disagree with you. I know who your god is (look in a mirror).

[Lannah Aikens]

Re: You don't HAVE to do 'it' on the honeymoon

Go and read Song of Songs or the Song of Solomon as some know it.

There are very pure ways to engage in this act, but the way you speak of this nature act created by God is perverted of the truth. Read Songs and tell me that Solomon was not taking praise in this beautiful act that God permits through marriage.