[NNovek]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

If God is not real how come Jesus raised the dead, multiplied the loves and fishes and healed a blind man with His holy bodily fluids?


YIC

Who says that this has happened? Jesus is never been real? Do you have proof for that? No, i don't think so.

***More Eskimo chanting threatening True Christians(tm) with auto-da-fé removed by moderator*** Sorry, for using Estonian, but I can't find words in English. AND I am not angry. I just can't realise, how stupid can people over there be.

[Judgingisnogood]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Kristo is indeed a feminine name... along with Krista, and Krissy. All of these too have CHRIST as a root.

Aren't you upset that your parents raised you to be a homersexual? With a name like that, you didn't even have a chance to grow up straight! Did your parents make you wear a dress too?

Hi Fred

I sure can't say you're a grown up man, neither are you hilarious by your comment. Wondering if you'd say same thing to me while facing me in real life, probably not.
This place and internet is your comfort zone, once you get out of it, you'll see world differently.

But I'm not here to teach you, how to be grown up. I came here to let you people know as estonian that this Thread is false and full of fact mistakes.

Let me say this, before I will leave. I have nothing against Christians or any other religions, just don't make yourselves look like fools. I know there is many people here, who are actually really smart and kind.

Take care,

Kristo R.

[ex-estonian]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

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NAS

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Sorry guys for estonian language. Missionary work needs sacrifices.

[mr mees]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

***removed incantation in Eskimo that persecuted ex-estonian by demanding proof of his nationality***

And second:

Many Christians feel they have the right to hold grudges or animosity against certain people. They actually hate those who espouse abortion. They hate homosexuals. If someone does them wrong, they feel vindicated when they hold feelings of ill will towards that person, or persons. There are scriptures in the Old Testament where King David and others speak of their hatred for the wicked. This hatred for the wicked was expressed under the inspiration of God in the scriptures.

· Psalms 26:5 I hate the assembly of evildoers, and I will not sit with the wicked. (NAS)

Does the psalmist’s hatred for evildoers justify a Christian doing the same? There are numerous scriptures like Psalm 26:5 which one could use to rationalize hatred for the wicked.

Jesus Christ came to bring Israel, and mankind into a new covenant. Under the provisions of this covenant he gave believers a very different commandment regarding those who do evil, or are enemies.

· Matthew 5:43-48 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (NAS)

Notice the words of Jesus, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’” He did not say, “You have heard that it was commanded by God…”

The Jews had modified the commandments of Yahweh to fit their own agenda; this included allowing themselves the privilege of hating their enemies. That is why we see such animosity to this very day in the Middle East. Both Arab and Jew alike maintain mutual hatred for one another. In fact, in many Muslim nations people actually live by a written code of revenge, exacting precise prescribed amounts and types of vengeance for a wrong suffered. This should be sufficient reason to reject altogether the Satanic verse of the Koran.


Let us look at the commandment that was modified into a manmade tradition by the Jews to see what it actually says:

· Leviticus 19:16-18 ‘You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people, and you are not to act against the life of your neighbor; I am the LORD. You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD. (NAS)

Even under the conditions of the Law God requires His people to love their neighbors. He specifies that they are not to hate their fellow countrymen in their heart. They were allowed to reprove and rebuke a man for practicing evil of course, but vengeance belonged to the LORD.

The notion of ‘hatred’ towards others is very subtle at times. Often Christians make glib comments like, “I just HATE the Democrats!” A comment like this is made from our indignant feelings regarding the evil the Democratic Party promotes.

However, we must be cautious, because these words can also express what is in our hearts and minds. Don’t attempt to justify yourself, saying, “I don’t REALLY hate Democrats, I just hate their political agenda.” By your words you will be either justified or condemned.

Dear Christian brother or sister, if you say something long enough, it can become the expression of what you feel in your heart.

· Mark 7:20-23 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.” (NAS)

· Jeremiah 17:9-10 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings. (NKJ)

We must guard our hearts. A time of great persecution lies ahead for all true believers, and God is calling us to be like His son Jesus. We must love and forgive even those who irritate, harm or act with malice towards us. It only takes small measures of leaven (sin) to cause the lump of dough in our heart to rise with pride and anger. Now is the hour to correct our thoughts, and be careful as to what we think, say and do.

· Luke 6:27-36 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way. And if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, in order to receive back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.” (NAS)

It is easy to love those who always treat us nicely. Even the heathen do that. The distinctive difference between the true disciples of Jesus and those who simply play church is obvious because of their attitude of loving those who refuse to love them in return. Most Christians are so immature in this area. They are thin-skinned, and nurture self-pity if their feelings have been hurt. They love to harbor a grudge by nursing their wounds as though it was a God-given right.

So what happens when a brother or sister in Jesus says something mean, or hurtful to you? Certainly it will produce hurt, or even anger. Hurt and anger are not, by themselves, wrong.

God’s word tells us to be angry. Even Jesus got angry when he saw the temple moneychangers. Anger is a secondary emotion; it is a response to hurt or some other root cause.

When someone hurts our feelings, it makes us feel belittled or disrespected, and this produces anger. God allows us to be angry, but He does NOT allow us to sin by hating the person who wronged us.

· Ephesians 4:26-27 When angry, do not sin; do not ever let your wrath (your exasperation, your fury or indignation) last until the sun goes down. Leave no such room or foothold for the devil give no opportunity to him. AMP

If you harbor hatred towards a brother because he has hurt you, and made you angry, then you are sinning. The hurt and anger are normal human emotions; the hatred is allowing Satan to get a ‘foothold’ in your life. The Greek word for ‘foothold’ is defined as follows by Strong’s Dictionary:

· “Foothold” = 5117 topos (top'-os); a spot (general in space, but limited by occupancy), i.e. location (as a position, home, tract, etc.)

If we allow unresolved hurt and anger to continue, the scripture says that the devil will find a “spot” to occupy in our lives, and in our homes. This is not a good thing. Marriages are destroyed simply because anger is not resolved before a couple goes to bed. Instead, they allow the hurt and anger to fester all night long, and in the morning there is a cold distance between them. Husbands have the greater responsibility here. They must be the one’s to nurture their precious wives back to emotional health, loving them as Christ loves the church.

· I John 2:9-11 The one who says he is in the light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. The one who loves his brother abides in the light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. (NAS)

· I John 3:14-19 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. We know love by this that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoever has the world's goods, and beholds his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. We shall know by this that we are of the truth, and shall assure our heart before Him. (NAS)

It is difficult to imagine we are guilty of murder when we hate our brother, but God takes hatred very seriously. Not only is the attitude of a murderer prevalent in someone who hates a fellow believer, but also it causes him or her to walk in darkness. They are like the blind; they can walk, but they can’t see the deception that has enveloped their life.

Unless we do everything possible to eradicate hatred from our hearts and lives, we will not have eternal life…we will lose our salvation! That is why the scripture says, “Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” This is very serious business, and must not be taken lightly. A Christian who fancies him or herself as being spiritual, affirming their love and devotion to God without loving their brother is a liar.

· I John 4:19-21 We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also. (NAS)

To summarize, a true believer cannot hate his brother, or even his enemies. Those who harbor hatred in their heart are malicious deceivers. Those who spread gossip and slander are, in effect, concealing their own hatred through lying lips.

· Proverbs 26:22-28 The words of a whisperer are like dainty morsels, and they go down into the innermost parts of the body. Like an earthen vessel overlaid with silver dross are burning lips and a wicked heart. He who hates disguises it with his lips, but he lays up deceit in his heart. When he speaks graciously, do not believe him, for there are seven abominations in his heart. Though his hatred covers itself with guile, His wickedness will be revealed before the assembly. He who digs a pit will fall into it, and he who rolls a stone, it will come back on him. A lying tongue hates those it crushes, and a flattering mouth works ruin. (NAS)

· Proverbs 10:18-19 He who conceals hatred has lying lips, and he who spreads slander is a fool. When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable, but he who restrains his lips is wise. (NAS)

There is a cure for hatred…love and forgiveness. These terms are not just convenient Christian rhetoric, but the very essence of what our life should reflect.

· Proverbs 10:11-12 The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life, but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence. Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all transgressions. (NAS)

In short, a Christian is NOT allowed to hate other human beings. In fact, God requires them to love others, even their enemies, and those who mistreat them. Jesus is the ultimate model to follow, and in his last moments, as he hung beaten and tortured, he forgave those who were responsible.

· Luke 23:33-34 And when they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." NAS

[ex-estonian]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

There are thousands of examples why estonians are wicked.
Just one example, official information about porn usage in Estonia.

Estonians in average spend 8,5 mins on porn sites (one visit). The first most favoured searching phrase is 'Lisa Ann'. The second is 'Milf'.
The most loved nation-based searching phrases are: russian, arab, chech. Arab's - how wicked is that?

But we havent lost the battle. On christmas eve the porn watching decreases 20%! One of five porn addicts know in their hearth that Jesus is better than Lisa Ann!

[TrueAtheist666]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Anyways, it's our own choice, free will to believe whatever we want! You have no right to judge us if we don't! If I think god does not exist, then so be it, I have the right to think so, it is my opinion! If you believe in god, then so be it, it is your right to think so and I am fine with it! So be fine if us, estonians, don't believe in it!

Is it really hard to accept that some people in different countries are atheists? You see what you, true believers, have become? - the anger and not tolerating people who are not the same as you are (believing god). How should people even want to believe in god if they become as angry as you are?! You sure don't have manners because it is not nice to say bad things to others! Believing god = being angry and saying bad things?! You seem more like devils because of your behaviour.

No need to push people with your "god stuff" because eventually it is people own choice whether to believe it or not.

Peace.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Dear Friends.
Im estonian and I am thankful the God sent me message today and I have found this forum. I know and see every day the lies around me. I see every day sins and altuThis is absolutely pure truth, estonians are wicked nation and dont belong to Gods domain.
When I was born, in the first minute I realised my parents are not babtized and their intentions are evil. My childhood was painful, because I had to pray in secret. When my teacher found bible from my schoolbag, I was in a huge trouble. In home, in school. Even the mayor himself visited our familiy and explained how worrying this situation is. He talked with me personally and told me about great benefits on communism and gay pride. This was confusing and I felt lost. There was no one for me. Only god himself. And he made me to become strong and gave me wisdom to see Gods intentions.
Estonia must be purified! Estonia must again be given to God as it has been! This country has to deserve the other name it has been called: "Maarjamaa" "The Land of Mary, mother of Jesus". All true christians in America, russia, Africa and Indonesia have to unite and re-conquer this land and nation! Only this way is possible to help other European countries!

I was ready to quit! The swarms of impolite heathens from Estonia were driving Jesus crazy. But now YOU COME ALONG!



Finally, our hard work to get the vile nation of Estonia to understand the Wrath of God has paid off!



This shows that our prayers are not in vain! Our prayers are answered! Another person has the chance to enter Heaven. Tere tulemast! If you persist, you'll see that your place in Heaven will be among Jesus' favorites. Luke tells us this!

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

We would also like to know you better, so please make an Introduction of yourself, your Church, your favorite verses and your path to Jesus HERE according to these instructions.Thank you, Friend, for making this a happy day for JESUS!




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Fred Hall]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Dear Friends.
Im estonian and I am thankful the God sent me message today and I have found this forum. I know and see every day the lies around me. I see every day sins and altuThis is absolutely pure truth, estonians are wicked nation and dont belong to Gods domain.
When I was born, in the first minute I realised my parents are not babtized and their intentions are evil. My childhood was painful, because I had to pray in secret. When my teacher found bible from my schoolbag, I was in a huge trouble. In home, in school. Even the mayor himself visited our familiy and explained how worrying this situation is. He talked with me personally and told me about great benefits on communism and gay pride. This was confusing and I felt lost. There was no one for me. Only god himself. And he made me to become strong and gave me wisdom to see Gods intentions.
Estonia must be purified! Estonia must again be given to God as it has been! This country has to deserve the other name it has been called: "Maarjamaa" "The Land of Mary, mother of Jesus". All true christians in America, russia, Africa and Indonesia have to unite and re-conquer this land and nation! Only this way is possible to help other European countries!

Thank-you for the true witness that you give friend. . May God have mercy on your soul for exposing the truth about that godless place!

[Fred Hall]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Hi Elmer,

What "Miss R., " stands for? I'm male my friend. Kristo is a male name, roots are from "CHRIST", "CHRISTO", you should know it if you're True Christian.

Kristo is indeed a feminine name... along with Krista, and Krissy. All of these too have CHRIST as a root.

Aren't you upset that your parents raised you to be a homersexual? With a name like that, you didn't even have a chance to grow up straight! Did your parents make you wear a dress too?

[Elmer G. White]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

I pointed out FORCING people to do something they don't want to is FALSE.
If somone forces you to do something you don't want to, you think it's good?
Let me ask you simple question, have you done anything GOOD in your life so far, if you say the only "GOOD" is eternity?
I do believe that my soul/spirit are higher being and it can be immortal, but I don't feel like I need to believe in "GOD" to believe so.

Sinner Darling,

Do you really think that people should never ever do something they don't want to do? Let's say there's a child suffering from curable cancer (prayer will cure it also but for your sake let's stick to atheist medicine). He doesn't want to take the medicine, because it feels bad. He'll die if you follow his wishes. The only way to save him is to force him take the medicine. But you can't do what is GOOD because the child does not want it? Say, you see someone taking an overdose of barbiturates to kill herself. She's still conscious and tells you not to interfere. What do you do?

THIS is what we do. People are harming themselves by rejecting Jesus. It is our DUTY!

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Personally, I've brought the Gospel to hundreds of people who are now on their way to heaven.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[ex-estonian]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Dear Friends.
Im estonian and I am thankful the God sent me message today and I have found this forum. I know and see every day the lies around me. I see every day sins and altuThis is absolutely pure truth, estonians are wicked nation and dont belong to Gods domain.
When I was born, in the first minute I realised my parents are not babtized and their intentions are evil. My childhood was painful, because I had to pray in secret. When my teacher found bible from my schoolbag, I was in a huge trouble. In home, in school. Even the mayor himself visited our familiy and explained how worrying this situation is. He talked with me personally and told me about great benefits on communism and gay pride. This was confusing and I felt lost. There was no one for me. Only god himself. And he made me to become strong and gave me wisdom to see Gods intentions.
Estonia must be purified! Estonia must again be given to God as it has been! This country has to deserve the other name it has been called: "Maarjamaa" "The Land of Mary, mother of Jesus". All true christians in America, russia, Africa and Indonesia have to unite and re-conquer this land and nation! Only this way is possible to help other European countries!

[Judgingisnogood]

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Miss R.,

How can it be wrong to wish to do people GOOD. The only GOOD that matters is Eternity. Life is infinitesimally small compared to Eternal Life in Christ or - if you refuse to believe - eternal Torture with Satan. This is very clearly stated in reliable documents!

Elmer

Hi Elmer,

Thank you for responding and thank you for the !WARNING you sent me.

What "Miss R., " stands for? I'm male my friend. Kristo is a male name, roots are from "CHRIST", "CHRISTO", you should know it if you're True Christian.

No, it's not wrong to wish people do good, I do it everyday. But as you point out GOOD in Caps Lock it seems we are understanding "GOOD" differently.
I pointed out FORCING people to do something they don't want to is FALSE.
If somone forces you to do something you don't want to, you think it's good?
Let me ask you simple question, have you done anything GOOD in your life so far, if you say the only "GOOD" is eternity?
I do believe that my soul/spirit are higher being and it can be immortal, but I don't feel like I need to believe in "GOD" to believe so.

As reliable documents you mean Bible? If so, then why are the "reliable documents" ONLY reliable to Christians? Reliability means everyone understand something in same way. Reliable facts can't be something that many participants understands differently.
See the difference?

Grand wishes,

KRISTO R.

[Fred Hall]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Verily, Mr. Hall,

We have an ongoing campaign to free Estonia from its atheist regime before it is too late and Jesus returns.



Yours in Christ,

Elmer

That is great news!

Say...perhaps we can also start a campaign to help stop the incest in Estonia, and bring awareness to the problem. They have the highest rate of incest in all Europe, and 6 out of every 7 aborted fetuses are from incestual relationships. It's no wonder that Estonian women have so many abortions. Still though, it doesn't make it right in God's eyes. Killing is wrong....even if more than half of aborted fetuses would grow up with mental retardation due to genetic defects.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

No, most of estonians are AGNOSTICS if you know what it means.
I'm not bothered that people go to church and believe in "god", do prayers.
Do that, make yourself feel good about it and live happy life. But forcing people to believe in something they don't want to is FALSE.

Take care,

Kristo R.

Miss R.,

How can it be wrong to wish to do people GOOD. The only GOOD that matters is Eternity. Life is infinitesimally small compared to Eternal Life in Christ or - if you refuse to believe - eternal Torture with Satan. This is very clearly stated in reliable documents!

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

What does this mean? It means that if you fail to believe in Jesus you'll be condemned. What does THAT mean, you may ask. We have the answer!



Matthew 13:41-43
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

People often don't know what is good for them. Agnosticism won't save you. Faith will. Don't you want to see Jesus one day welcome your soul into the Joys of Heaven?




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Judgingisnogood]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Verily, Mr. Hall,

We have an ongoing campaign to free Estonia from its atheist regime before it is too late and Jesus returns.

Revelation 6:2
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Greetings,

After I was linked to this webpage and specific article, I just had to reply.
Let me point out that I'm also Estonian.

First of all... I admire people, who speaks out loud of their opinions live in public and takes responsibility of their words.
Second thing is that I find this page pretty much what I'd call "yellow literature". I'm not accusing, it's just my personal opinion.

Third thing is that you are missunderstanding the situation, not ~70% of estonians are atheits (Being atheist means you follow some sort of religion, right?)
No, most of estonians are AGNOSTICS if you know what it means.
I'm not bothered that people go to church and believe in "god", do prayers.
Do that, make yourself feel good about it and live happy life. But forcing people to believe in something they don't want to is FALSE.

Take care,

Kristo R.