[ex-estonian]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

There are thousands of examples why estonians are wicked.
Just one example, official information about porn usage in Estonia.

Estonians in average spend 8,5 mins on porn sites (one visit). The first most favoured searching phrase is 'Lisa Ann'. The second is 'Milf'.
The most loved nation-based searching phrases are: russian, arab, chech. Arab's - how wicked is that?

But we havent lost the battle. On christmas eve the porn watching decreases 20%! One of five porn addicts know in their hearth that Jesus is better than Lisa Ann!

[mr mees]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

***removed incantation in Eskimo that persecuted ex-estonian by demanding proof of his nationality***

And second:

Many Christians feel they have the right to hold grudges or animosity against certain people. They actually hate those who espouse abortion. They hate homosexuals. If someone does them wrong, they feel vindicated when they hold feelings of ill will towards that person, or persons. There are scriptures in the Old Testament where King David and others speak of their hatred for the wicked. This hatred for the wicked was expressed under the inspiration of God in the scriptures.

· Psalms 26:5 I hate the assembly of evildoers, and I will not sit with the wicked. (NAS)

Does the psalmist’s hatred for evildoers justify a Christian doing the same? There are numerous scriptures like Psalm 26:5 which one could use to rationalize hatred for the wicked.

Jesus Christ came to bring Israel, and mankind into a new covenant. Under the provisions of this covenant he gave believers a very different commandment regarding those who do evil, or are enemies.

· Matthew 5:43-48 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (NAS)

Notice the words of Jesus, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’” He did not say, “You have heard that it was commanded by God…”

The Jews had modified the commandments of Yahweh to fit their own agenda; this included allowing themselves the privilege of hating their enemies. That is why we see such animosity to this very day in the Middle East. Both Arab and Jew alike maintain mutual hatred for one another. In fact, in many Muslim nations people actually live by a written code of revenge, exacting precise prescribed amounts and types of vengeance for a wrong suffered. This should be sufficient reason to reject altogether the Satanic verse of the Koran.


Let us look at the commandment that was modified into a manmade tradition by the Jews to see what it actually says:

· Leviticus 19:16-18 ‘You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people, and you are not to act against the life of your neighbor; I am the LORD. You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD. (NAS)

Even under the conditions of the Law God requires His people to love their neighbors. He specifies that they are not to hate their fellow countrymen in their heart. They were allowed to reprove and rebuke a man for practicing evil of course, but vengeance belonged to the LORD.

The notion of ‘hatred’ towards others is very subtle at times. Often Christians make glib comments like, “I just HATE the Democrats!” A comment like this is made from our indignant feelings regarding the evil the Democratic Party promotes.

However, we must be cautious, because these words can also express what is in our hearts and minds. Don’t attempt to justify yourself, saying, “I don’t REALLY hate Democrats, I just hate their political agenda.” By your words you will be either justified or condemned.

Dear Christian brother or sister, if you say something long enough, it can become the expression of what you feel in your heart.

· Mark 7:20-23 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.” (NAS)

· Jeremiah 17:9-10 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings. (NKJ)

We must guard our hearts. A time of great persecution lies ahead for all true believers, and God is calling us to be like His son Jesus. We must love and forgive even those who irritate, harm or act with malice towards us. It only takes small measures of leaven (sin) to cause the lump of dough in our heart to rise with pride and anger. Now is the hour to correct our thoughts, and be careful as to what we think, say and do.

· Luke 6:27-36 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way. And if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, in order to receive back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.” (NAS)

It is easy to love those who always treat us nicely. Even the heathen do that. The distinctive difference between the true disciples of Jesus and those who simply play church is obvious because of their attitude of loving those who refuse to love them in return. Most Christians are so immature in this area. They are thin-skinned, and nurture self-pity if their feelings have been hurt. They love to harbor a grudge by nursing their wounds as though it was a God-given right.

So what happens when a brother or sister in Jesus says something mean, or hurtful to you? Certainly it will produce hurt, or even anger. Hurt and anger are not, by themselves, wrong.

God’s word tells us to be angry. Even Jesus got angry when he saw the temple moneychangers. Anger is a secondary emotion; it is a response to hurt or some other root cause.

When someone hurts our feelings, it makes us feel belittled or disrespected, and this produces anger. God allows us to be angry, but He does NOT allow us to sin by hating the person who wronged us.

· Ephesians 4:26-27 When angry, do not sin; do not ever let your wrath (your exasperation, your fury or indignation) last until the sun goes down. Leave no such room or foothold for the devil give no opportunity to him. AMP

If you harbor hatred towards a brother because he has hurt you, and made you angry, then you are sinning. The hurt and anger are normal human emotions; the hatred is allowing Satan to get a ‘foothold’ in your life. The Greek word for ‘foothold’ is defined as follows by Strong’s Dictionary:

· “Foothold” = 5117 topos (top'-os); a spot (general in space, but limited by occupancy), i.e. location (as a position, home, tract, etc.)

If we allow unresolved hurt and anger to continue, the scripture says that the devil will find a “spot” to occupy in our lives, and in our homes. This is not a good thing. Marriages are destroyed simply because anger is not resolved before a couple goes to bed. Instead, they allow the hurt and anger to fester all night long, and in the morning there is a cold distance between them. Husbands have the greater responsibility here. They must be the one’s to nurture their precious wives back to emotional health, loving them as Christ loves the church.

· I John 2:9-11 The one who says he is in the light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. The one who loves his brother abides in the light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. (NAS)

· I John 3:14-19 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. We know love by this that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoever has the world's goods, and beholds his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. We shall know by this that we are of the truth, and shall assure our heart before Him. (NAS)

It is difficult to imagine we are guilty of murder when we hate our brother, but God takes hatred very seriously. Not only is the attitude of a murderer prevalent in someone who hates a fellow believer, but also it causes him or her to walk in darkness. They are like the blind; they can walk, but they can’t see the deception that has enveloped their life.

Unless we do everything possible to eradicate hatred from our hearts and lives, we will not have eternal life…we will lose our salvation! That is why the scripture says, “Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” This is very serious business, and must not be taken lightly. A Christian who fancies him or herself as being spiritual, affirming their love and devotion to God without loving their brother is a liar.

· I John 4:19-21 We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also. (NAS)

To summarize, a true believer cannot hate his brother, or even his enemies. Those who harbor hatred in their heart are malicious deceivers. Those who spread gossip and slander are, in effect, concealing their own hatred through lying lips.

· Proverbs 26:22-28 The words of a whisperer are like dainty morsels, and they go down into the innermost parts of the body. Like an earthen vessel overlaid with silver dross are burning lips and a wicked heart. He who hates disguises it with his lips, but he lays up deceit in his heart. When he speaks graciously, do not believe him, for there are seven abominations in his heart. Though his hatred covers itself with guile, His wickedness will be revealed before the assembly. He who digs a pit will fall into it, and he who rolls a stone, it will come back on him. A lying tongue hates those it crushes, and a flattering mouth works ruin. (NAS)

· Proverbs 10:18-19 He who conceals hatred has lying lips, and he who spreads slander is a fool. When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable, but he who restrains his lips is wise. (NAS)

There is a cure for hatred…love and forgiveness. These terms are not just convenient Christian rhetoric, but the very essence of what our life should reflect.

· Proverbs 10:11-12 The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life, but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence. Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all transgressions. (NAS)

In short, a Christian is NOT allowed to hate other human beings. In fact, God requires them to love others, even their enemies, and those who mistreat them. Jesus is the ultimate model to follow, and in his last moments, as he hung beaten and tortured, he forgave those who were responsible.

· Luke 23:33-34 And when they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." NAS

[ex-estonian]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

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NAS

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Sorry guys for estonian language. Missionary work needs sacrifices.

[Judgingisnogood]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Kristo is indeed a feminine name... along with Krista, and Krissy. All of these too have CHRIST as a root.

Aren't you upset that your parents raised you to be a homersexual? With a name like that, you didn't even have a chance to grow up straight! Did your parents make you wear a dress too?

Hi Fred

I sure can't say you're a grown up man, neither are you hilarious by your comment. Wondering if you'd say same thing to me while facing me in real life, probably not.
This place and internet is your comfort zone, once you get out of it, you'll see world differently.

But I'm not here to teach you, how to be grown up. I came here to let you people know as estonian that this Thread is false and full of fact mistakes.

Let me say this, before I will leave. I have nothing against Christians or any other religions, just don't make yourselves look like fools. I know there is many people here, who are actually really smart and kind.

Take care,

Kristo R.

[NNovek]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

If God is not real how come Jesus raised the dead, multiplied the loves and fishes and healed a blind man with His holy bodily fluids?


YIC

Who says that this has happened? Jesus is never been real? Do you have proof for that? No, i don't think so.

***More Eskimo chanting threatening True Christians(tm) with auto-da-fé removed by moderator*** Sorry, for using Estonian, but I can't find words in English. AND I am not angry. I just can't realise, how stupid can people over there be.

[NNovek]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Dear Friends.
Im estonian and I am thankful the God sent me message today and I have found this forum. I know and see every day the lies around me. I see every day sins and altuThis is absolutely pure truth, estonians are wicked nation and dont belong to Gods domain.
When I was born, in the first minute I realised my parents are not babtized and their intentions are evil. My childhood was painful, because I had to pray in secret. When my teacher found bible from my schoolbag, I was in a huge trouble. In home, in school. Even the mayor himself visited our familiy and explained how worrying this situation is. He talked with me personally and told me about great benefits on communism and gay pride. This was confusing and I felt lost. There was no one for me. Only god himself. And he made me to become strong and gave me wisdom to see Gods intentions.
Estonia must be purified! Estonia must again be given to God as it has been! This country has to deserve the other name it has been called: "Maarjamaa" "The Land of Mary, mother of Jesus". All true christians in America, russia, Africa and Indonesia have to unite and re-conquer this land and nation! Only this way is possible to help other European countries!

Dear idiot,
do you even believe what are you talking about? It's impossible and i can say that you are lying.
Estonians are not communists. If you are estonian, you know that very well. But I can see you are just on stupid christian who wants to insult us, right?

[NNovek]

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But we havent lost the battle. On christmas eve the porn watching decreases 20%! One of five porn addicts know in their hearth that Jesus is better than Lisa Ann!

Pff, we just spend the day and eve with our family and watch porn

[Alvin Moss]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Please don't soil our Godly site with your foreign gibberish. We speak American here. Why don't you fill us in on how you think conditions are in Estonia? If you think communism is good for the Estones, please explain your theory.

[NNovek]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Dear Alvin (Oh, chipmunks are way better than you),
how many times I have to say that Estonians (yes, estonians not estones) are not communists. Go back to school, it would be better to you and others.
So, again. You are from europe actually. Actually Estonians used to have their own god (Taara, Tarapita or something like that) so we are not godless as you said.

And please, don't come to tell me that i have gone the wrong way and soever, because YOU ARE WRONG AND NOT I.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

You are from europe actually...YOU ARE WRONG AND NOT I.

Your insulting attitude is neither appreciated nor justified. Also, again, you are mistaken on every level. I am from Texas, which is a country between America and Mexico. Technically, we are part of America. I am not from godless Europe.

Also, we here are directed by Almighty God, through His word, which is to be found in the scriptures. When you attack His word, you attack Him. Therefore, let me explain again: We are right and you are wrong. Writing in all capital letters will not make you right. You seem prideful. Look here: Proverbs 16:18

[NNovek]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Your insulting attitude is neither appreciated nor justified. Also, again, you are mistaken on every level. I am from Texas, which is a country between America and Mexico. Technically, we are part of America. I am not from godless Europe.

Also, we here are directed by Almighty God, through His word, which is to be found in the scriptures. When you attack His word, you attack Him. Therefore, let me explain again: We are right and you are wrong. Writing in all capital letters will not make you right. You seem prideful. Look here: Proverbs 16:18

Pointless to disguss you, Americans are from europe. That's easy history and can't be denied.

[Alvin Moss]

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Pointless to disguss you, Americans are from europe. That's easy history and can't be denied.

Oh, I see. My apologies; I see you mean my distant ancestors. It is true that my fore bearers were among the wave of Christian Americans who left degenerate Europe for the promised land. Here, we flourished. Now there are many Negroes, Mexicans, Chinamen and other Democrats here among the Americans.

[SELUR SUSEJ]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

I Have NEVER read a more bigotted group of people. Together in...what this isnt Gods glory? Read...what you are writing.

JAMES HUTCHINS
"Every single person I have met from there was a Godless liar. Even as bad as bulgaria or portugal!"

1.3 Million people live in Estonia.....have you met everyone one of them? To doom people whom you have never met, is ignorant plain out ignorant.
Look at your quotes James...."Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." You.....hate your wife, your children, your parents, these are your enemies? You hate all the people of Portugal and Bulgaria AND EStonia. Theres no love in your words and obviously not in your life. Have you EVER left America to see the world? The world is so big and full of so many diverse people and experiences and foods and colours and clothes. Theres so much Architecture and Art. Go to Italy if your so keen on God. Go ANYWHERE. Plane tickets are cheap in comparison to staying in one place your entire life and no even seeing the world into which you were born. Go to Nazerth...Isreal. Any place. Take a chance. Aruba. Bulgaria. Portugal. Estonia. Estonia has the biggest old town in all of Europe. Its beautiful. It has had inhabitants before the white settlers arrived in America. Its history is older than white America. I dont know if its older than Native American peoples, this i have to say i dont know. But it is ancient.

And to you Ex Viking....how could you say the worst maritime accident of the 20th century was deserved. Your sick. Your sick in your mind and your heart. People froze to death in cold water. Hundreds of people. Children. Babies. How could you so heartless against the suffering of other people? I dont understand how you are a Christian. These are not the teachings of Jesus to love thy neighbor. Your neighbor is Estonia.

So many people on this forum.....are heartless. Your heartless and ignorant. READ MORE BOOKS. ON different topics. Not only God. How about some fiction. Or some travelouges about people who have travelled to different countries. Go to a bookstore. Or buy a plane ticket and visit these places to make up your own mind about those you hate. SEE FOR YOURSELF. Dont believe anyones opinion go see for yourself. Go to Estonia. And then you have something to stand on, not anyones elses opinion, but your own.

I could go thru each of these forrum members who trashed Estonia for no good reason. And show you the error of your thinking. But Im not going to. I have a life to lead. And a beautiful sunset to see..... here in EStonia.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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^^^

Goodness, Satan must have stirred a hornets nest of demons in the Estoniers today!

They're all so grumpy and aggressive.

Friend, what you need is a dose of Divine Love. When you let Jesus into your heart, He chases all the demons out. Then you'll have room in your crusty old soul for the Holy Ghost and all the gifts He will give you! You could use with some peace, dear (Philippians 4:7).

[Smooth]

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First of all, Im Estonian and I belive in God. Ive been in a church for long time and I can tell by expiriance, what is coming from gods spirit and what is fanatical extremism. I have argued with several people from different christian and non christian sects. They have one thing in common:

1.they belive that they have monopol of truth
2.they think all others will burn in hell
3.some of them would even kill other persons who dont belive like they do. For example muslims think god likes them more, if they kill non muslims. Lately i heard the story about the woman who was RAPED by muslim, who prayed between rape sessions. This guy was 100% sure, he did the right thing. How stupid can you get in your beliefs?

I see the same attitude here my friends. You are so narrow minded, so closed to your little church beliefs. You will never find the one and only truth with that attitude. The truth can be found ONLY, if you are ready to accept, that you might be wrong. Theres no other way. NO OTHER WAY. Its plain logic if you think it thru. Its just so sad that people think that they please god when they act opposite to the New Testament spirit . Who killed Christ? They were called belivers at that time. Belivers who thought that THEY have the truth and others dont. Think about that, when you send people in hell and tell that god hates them (or Estonia).

Now, about Estonia.
1.Please dont spread LIES about Estonia. Some of your facts are simply wrong. We dont like communists, we are not natziz, we are not russians, we dont live in caves. If you do, Its just a statment of your own ARROGANT IGNORANCE. I can find nazi taken videos in america or any other country.Theres a whole wide world outside of America, which you obviously dont know much about. When you say that you even dont know where Estonia is, you basicly say "im stupid and proud of that".
If you lie, you are servant of the SATAN, right? Please dont do that, OK?
Yes we have problems, but which country doesnt?


2. There is difference between atheists and people who belive in higher being. Most of estonians belive in it. Estonians have been brainwashed by several occupants, including communists. Even christianity was brought here with violence. You might consider being more sensitive and less "go to hell if you dont belive in christ" attitude. Its exactly this attitude what pushes estonians AWAY from God. Do you get it?


3. About history. The three of BALTIC STATES (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were OCCUPIED (not volunteerly joined) in 1940. Soviet Union organized
illegal meetings what "supported" the idea of joining the SU in Baltic States. Russia does the same thing today, when supporting separatsim in Georgia and Ukraine.