[MaharishiRajaHari]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

Allah(pbuh) is very displeased with jennabenna. This woman follows the Shaitan and his Jinns in taking intoxicants (drugs) and the sinfulness of the flesh. Allah(pbuh) will pleased with you Hubert for chastising this woman. She deserves the just punishment Prophet Mohammad gave.

Hallo greetings Kosmic brother you are wrong these women jennabenna are all right with the Krishna ok. As long as they not hate men and they LOVE all beings and the earth the sky and the little bug who walk upon the earth they are Krishna ok peace and blessing of overwhelming super bright all encompassing love-light-star-bright at night in the day all the time

Krishna blessing you

[One-Love-man]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

Hippies everywhere are going to shed a tear for this Dr. Death, but True Christians know the tragedies that LSD has wrought on the American family. How many familes have been destroyed due to the un-necessary suicides of their children jumping out of windows high on acid? How many spaced out hippies have been lost to their parents because of their acid habits? Children, these drugs may seem fun at first, but they will destroy you life. DON'T DO THEM!!

Wow mann, did some one say LSD
Well lets get high mann dreaming awake mann deep
non local on the way to hyperspace peace Y

[Bible Student]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

No friend, failure is not a big enough punishment for Hoffman. Illness is God's punishment for sin. By seeking to cure illness Hoffman was seeking to thwart the will of God. Eternal damnation is the only appropriate punishment for Hoffman's sin.

That article is a bit off the mark. The earliest uses in the US for LSD was as a treatment for alcoholism and other addiction and for schizophrenia. Preliminary research and clinic studies showed it to be effective. When those heathen sinners started to use it for recreational jollies, the government of this great Christian nation decided to put it on the no-no list, and rightly so.

Now to use it to cure a God-given disease like schizophrenia is plainly evil. However might it not be a good thing to help those alcoholics and addicted people eliminate their sinful behavior? Surely God himself gave the inspiration to those scientists (sometimes He just has to use the tools at hand) who used LSD for that purpose.

Naturally if one holds to the idea that alcoholism and addictive behavior are diseases and not the blatant, willful act to commit sins against our dear Lord and Savior, Jesus, then perhaps too LSD creation was the work of the devil. You being a True Christian would be the final authority on this as I am only offering my humble opinion up for consideration.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

That article is a bit off the mark. The earliest uses in the US for LSD was as a treatment for alcoholism and other addiction and for schizophrenia. Preliminary research and clinic studies showed it to be effective. When those heathen sinners started to use it for recreational jollies, the government of this great Christian nation decided to put it on the no-no list, and rightly so.

Now to use it to cure a God-given disease like schizophrenia is plainly evil. However might it not be a good thing to help those alcoholics and addicted people eliminate their sinful behavior? Surely God himself gave the inspiration to those scientists (sometimes He just has to use the tools at hand) who used LSD for that purpose.

Naturally if one holds to the idea that alcoholism and addictive behavior are diseases and not the blatant, willful act to commit sins against our dear Lord and Savior, Jesus, then perhaps too LSD creation was the work of the devil. You being a True Christian would be the final authority on this as I am only offering my humble opinion up for consideration.

Friend, though your argument looks good at first, I feel it may be a bit specious due to not taking into account a much simpler explanation as to why the earliest research and clinical studies made it appear that LSD had some beneficial effects.

Those scientists probably falsified the results in a concerted effort to lead men into temptation and sin. And since Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is the best one, I assume this to be the case.

However, for the sake of argument, lets assume that those heathen scientists did not, in fact, cover up data and LSD does have a few beneficial health effects. There are still plenty of great Biblical reasons to avoid it.

"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer." 1 Peter 4:7

This is, of course, the most important one. Using a drug, even in an effort to main sobriety, is still a sinful behavior. What alcoholics should be doing is praying to God to remove their addiction. That is the only 100% fool-proof way to stop sinning.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matthew 7:7-8

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." Matthew 21:22

Another thing to consider is that the usage of LSD is certainly sinful, and True Christians™ must always act in ways that do not encourage others to sin. A similar situation is found in 1 Corinthians, when Paul warns of the dangers of eating meat sacrificed to idols.

"For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." 1 Corinthians 8:10-13

So, you can see that, even if in an unlikely scenario that LSD might not be totally and completely evil, it is still sinful and should be avoided by anybody trying to avoid the fiery pits of Hell.

[Bible Student]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

Friend, though your argument looks good at first, I feel it may be a bit specious due to not taking into account a much simpler explanation as to why the earliest research and clinical studies made it appear that LSD had some beneficial effects.

Those scientists probably falsified the results in a concerted effort to lead men into temptation and sin. And since Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is the best one, I assume this to be the case.

However, for the sake of argument, lets assume that those heathen scientists did not, in fact, cover up data and LSD does have a few beneficial health effects. There are still plenty of great Biblical reasons to avoid it.

"But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer." 1 Peter 4:7

This is, of course, the most important one. Using a drug, even in an effort to main sobriety, is still a sinful behavior. What alcoholics should be doing is praying to God to remove their addiction. That is the only 100% fool-proof way to stop sinning.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matthew 7:7-8

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." Matthew 21:22

Another thing to consider is that the usage of LSD is certainly sinful, and True Christians™ must always act in ways that do not encourage others to sin. A similar situation is found in 1 Corinthians, when Paul warns of the dangers of eating meat sacrificed to idols.

"For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." 1 Corinthians 8:10-13

So, you can see that, even if in an unlikely scenario that LSD might not be totally and completely evil, it is still sinful and should be avoided by anybody trying to avoid the fiery pits of Hell.

Thank you, Lycia. Point taken. I had not thought it through thoroughly enough. [Wow, was that sentence a tongue twister!] And seeing that you have attained the esteemed rank of True Christian, I believe your explanation is the most accurate one.

If I might add one point, the data collected in the late 60s was accurate. It was in a field of interest related to my education and occupation. Be that as it may, you pointed out that it didn't matter anyway. Your bible verses trump what heathen scientists did. For me, the matter is closed.

[Forest Spirit]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

but what if you only do a little bit?

[Bible Student]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

but what if you only do a little bit?

Is that something like being only a little bit pregnant or a little bit dead?

[guest user]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

so its not like he intentionally meant to cause anyone harm who are you to judge him it makes you look really low being happy about his death leave the judging up to god not you

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

so its not like he intentionally meant to cause anyone harm who are you to judge him it makes you look really low being happy about his death leave the judging up to god not you

Here at LBC, the pastors and other experts know why God has some people die early and other live long lives.

There is really no question about it.

[Isaac Fisher]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

so its not like he intentionally meant to cause anyone harm who are you to judge him it makes you look really low being happy about his death leave the judging up to god not you

God tells us to judge.

[andreas.karlssson]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Albert Hoffman. However, 78% of Americans are Christians . . . Including the devout President, Barack Obama.

No one?

How did you get that number? did you ask every American if they are Christian? Cause even if they are "christian" in the books that doesnt mean they really believe in God. I'm a christian when it comes to books and if you ask the government(in Sweden that is) but the only reason for that is that I support ideas and religions, I donate money to other religions as well(Im an agnostic myself and don't really fit to any of the current religions available i feel, if I had to pick it would propobly be wicca, I like the idea that god is everything and everything in all the elements of the world etc etc but havent looked into it to much) but yeah,
Numbers from the government is really easily inaccurate is what I want to get to anyways.

I'm happy you found your religion that you believe in as long as you do not harm anyone I believe you should be able to believe whatever you want. Pro-life FTW!

Also Abbie and Albert most likely aint the same persons as the evidence speak against it.. (at least the evidence I have, if you have anything else to prove me wrong go for it )

[Isaac Fisher]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

(Im an agnostic myself and don't really fit to any of the current religions available i feel, if I had to pick it would propobly be wicca, I like the idea that god is everything and everything in all the elements of the world etc etc but havent looked into it to much)

Convert! Quick! If you die now you'll go to hell!


God won't forgive your sins untill you praise him!

[andreas.karlssson]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

I can't really convert quickly, God obviously know if you fake it(if he's the Christian God he's allknowing etc so) also, what religion to convert to :<<<

[Brother Temperance]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

I can't really convert quickly, God obviously know if you fake it(if he's the Christian God he's allknowing etc so) also, what religion to convert to :<<<

Hmmm. You come here to Landover Baptist Church and ask us what religion we think you should follow. Let's all just take a moment to think about that one, shall we?

[andreas.karlssson]

Re: LSD finally killed Albert Hoffman:

When did I ask you that? Never. I'm just fine making my own decisions thank you very much.

And I came to this forum to learn more about Creationists(sure is looking dark so far for the future of USA if you get a Creationist in the White House lol)