[Brother Phil (Quarantined)]

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It's too painful to lower myself into the sort of stupidity which would be necessary to counter your nonsensical babbling, so I am going to leave it to someone else. Others here can tolerate doofs better than I can.

Aww thanks for backing down from a fight you sissy faggot! This is case in point that there is no scientific proof for anything in the bible.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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Aww thanks for backing down from a fight you sissy faggot! This is case in point that there is no scientific proof for anything in the bible.

See? Just give someone a little rope and they will hang themselves.

The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible. We have listed statements on this page that are consistent with known scientific facts. Many of them were listed in the Bible hundreds or even thousands of years before being recorded elsewhere. Many concepts and notes on this page are adapted from ideas and statements that appear in The DEFENDER’S Study Bible.[1]
Statements Consistent With Paleontology

• Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible. (Actually reading the Bible would help, though. ) Click this sentence to see our Dinosaurs page if you would like more information in this subject area.

Statements Consistent With Astronomy

• The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.
  1. Genesis 22:17
     Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
  
  
  1. Jeremiah 33:22
     “As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
  Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)
  
• The Bible also says that each star is unique.
  1. 1 Corinthians 15:41
     There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
  All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)
  
• The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.
  1. Jeremiah 31:35,36
     Thus says the LORD,
     Who gives the sun for a light by day,
     The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
     Who disturbs the sea,
     And its waves roar
     (The LORD of hosts is His name):
     “If those ordinances depart
     From before Me, says the LORD,
     Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
     From being a nation before Me forever.”
  
  
• The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.
  1. Job 26:7
     He stretches out the north over empty space;
     He hangs the earth on nothing.

Statements Consistent With Meteorology

• The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.
  1. Ecclesiastes 1:6
     The wind goes toward the south,
     And turns around to the north;
     The wind whirls about continually,
     And comes again on its circuit.
  
  
• The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.
  1. Job 28:25
     To establish a weight for the wind,
     And apportion the waters by measure.
  The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)

Statements Consistent With Biology

• The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.
  1. Leviticus 17:11
     ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
  The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1]
  
• The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living organism.
  1. Genesis 1:11,12
     Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
  
  
  1. Genesis 1:21
     So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
  
  
  1. Genesis 1:25
     And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
  The phrase “according to its kind” occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.[1]
  
• The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.
  1. Genesis 2:7
     And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
  
  
  1. Genesis 3:19
     In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
     Till you return to the ground,
     For out of it you were taken;
     For dust you are,
     And to dust you shall return.
  
  
• It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.
  1. Proverbs 12:4
     An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
     But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.
  
  
  1. Proverbs 14:30
     A sound heart is life to the body,
     But envy is rottenness to the bones.
  
  
  1. Proverbs 15:30
     The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
     And a good report makes the bones healthy.
  
  
  1. Proverbs 16:24
     Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
     Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
  
  
  1. Proverbs 17:22
     A merry heart does good, like medicine,
     But a broken spirit dries the bones.

Statements Consistent With Anthropology

• We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.
  1. Job 30:5,6
     They were driven out from among men,
     They shouted at them as at a thief.
     They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
     In caves of the earth and the rocks.
  Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.[1] (Go into a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)

Statements Consistent With Hydrology

• The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.[3]
  1. Psalm 135:7
     He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
     He makes lightning for the rain;
     He brings the wind out of His treasuries.
  
  
  1. Jeremiah 10:13
     When He utters His voice,
     There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
     “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
     He makes lightning for the rain,
     He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”
  In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.[1]
  
  1. Job 36:27-29
     For He draws up drops of water,
     Which distill as rain from the mist,
     Which the clouds drop down
     And pour abundantly on man.
     Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
     The thunder from His canopy?
  This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1]
  
• The Bible describes the recirculation of water.
  1. Ecclesiastes 1:7
     All the rivers run into the sea,
     Yet the sea is not full;
     To the place from which the rivers come,
     There they return again.
  
  
  1. Isaiah 55:10
     For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
     And do not return there,
     But water the earth,
     And make it bring forth and bud,
     That it may give seed to the sower
     And bread to the eater,
  
  
• The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.
  1. Job 26:8
     He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
     Yet the clouds are not broken under it.
  
  
  1. Job 37:11
     Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
     He scatters His bright clouds.
  
  
• Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible written before 1400BC—more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.
  1. Genesis 7:11
     In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
  
  
  1. Job 38:16
     Have you entered the springs of the sea?
     Or have you walked in search of the depths?
  We discuss the “fountains of the great deep” further in our Creation Versus Evolution page.

Statements Consistent With Geology

• The Bible describes the Earth’s crust (along with a comment on astronomy).
  1. Jeremiah 31:37
     Thus says the LORD:
     “If heaven above can be measured,
     And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
     I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
     For all that they have done, says the LORD.”
  Although some scientists claim that they have now measured the size of the universe, it is interesting to note that every human attempt to drill through the earth’s crust to the plastic mantle beneath has, thus far, ended in failure.[1]
  
• The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.
  1. Isaiah 40:22
     It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
     And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
     Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
     And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
  The word translated “circle” here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated “circuit,” or “compass” (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square.
  The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere in this book On the Heavens.
  This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce his findings. (At that time, “theologians” of the Roman Catholic Church maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert otherwise was deemed heretical.)
  We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became casualties—an effect we still feel to this day.

Statements Consistent With Physics

• The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter wrote the following verse).
  1. 2 Peter 3:10
     But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
  
  
• The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile ) device that uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible contains passages that describe something like television—something that allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages typically refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for sure whether the Bible is true or not.)
  1. Matthew 24:30
     Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
  
  
  1. Revelation 11:9-11
     Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.

Things In The Bible That Science Can Not Explain

The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts. Still, the Bible mentions some things that we can not explain. Yet, if God is really God, He should have the ability to do some things we can not explain.
In the last 100 years (and especially in the last ten) scientists discovered many proofs that confirm the Bible’s accuracy. Since these proofs support the accuracy of the text we can understand scientifically, it makes sense to trust the Bible’s text that we can not yet understand. (For example, how many people knew what hydrothermal vents were 30 years ago?) If you would like to see the proof we have for the accuracy of the Bible, click on the link below.
How Do You Know The Bible Is True? If you like reading books, a good one that addresses the facts that support Christianity is Know Why You Believe by Paul Little. There is an advantage to a book—it does not change as a page on the Internet can. Plus, a million copies of Paul Little’s book have been printed (about 40 times the number required to be called a “best seller”) which proves it is not an isolated person’s opinion.

References

[1] The DEFENDER’S Study Bible, Word Publishing, Grand Rapids, Michigan (1995).
[2] The Number of Stars
[3] The Hydrologic Cycle
[4] Submarine Volcanic Ecosystems (An article on hydrothermal vents.)

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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There is no scripture that says that God himself sat down at his huge Heavenly table with scroll and quill and wrote out the Bible.

Name 5 things that have ever been scientifficaly proven in the bible... you can't because any scientist who tried would be murdered by the catholic church. Take Socrates for example. And another thing: in order to scietifically prove that the Bible is true it would take a whole lot more that 3 months. How did you prove mary's conception of jesus? How did you prove that the flood did infact wipe out all of the earth? WHere did Cain get his wife? There is not a popsickle's chance in hell that you Difinitivly proved all of these things!

By the way what was your doctoate in... (un-Christian term deleted)?

Note that I kindly use the "Quote" feature that God has provided for us.....

5 things that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt:

1. The Bible has been read by more people in this world than any 10 other books COMBINED.
2. The Bible is True beyond a shadow of a doubt. I personally have gone through every word and proven that each is TRUE.
3. Pi is exactly three.
4. The heavens are a flat surface, stretched above the earth like a sheet (in fact, this Fact has been lurking in the scientifical field for ages, even though scientists don't like to admit it, what with their "space-time" bull).
5. Jesus was the Son of God.

ALL of these (and so many more) have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt! Perhaps you need to visit the Landover University for the Saved research facility to see for yourself (full background check by the Department of Faith required for entrance).

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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Umm, Zekey, whales are mammals, not fish. And they aren't saying that these whales have human brains, merely saying that they have similar cells to what are found in human brains.
This does not give them a human level of intelligence, but it does mean they are smarter than your average goldfish.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Aww thanks for backing down from a fight you sissy faggot! This is case in point that there is no scientific proof for anything in the bible.

I believe you owe both Pastor Pistle AND Jesus Christ a heartfelt apology. Don't make things any worse for yourself son. Eternal damnation awaits!

[Brother Phil (Quarantined)]

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I believe you owe both Pastor Pistle AND Jesus Christ a heartfelt apology. Don't make things any worse for yourself son. Eternal damnation awaits!

How does eternal damnation await me? Why doent eternal damnation await everysingle person on this forum that has ever verbally abused another member? I have been called a hethan and i think if that is your standard all insults result in direct damnation!

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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I think you are mistaken -- the Lord God Himself insults people who do not believe in Him (calling them fools). We are merely tools for Jesus, vessels through which He flows. Each True Christian here has the Holy Spirit dwelling somewhere inside him, and therefore are only mouthpieces for the Word of God. Eternal damnation awaits for you for insulting the members on the board who are representatives for the Lord God Almighty. GLORY! The Bible gives us license to insult those who hate Jesus:

15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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How does eternal damnation await me? Why doent eternal damnation await everysingle person on this forum that has ever verbally abused another member? I have been called a hethan and i think if that is your standard all insults result in direct damnation!

We are still waiting for your apology to Pastor Pistle.....

We are not here to verbally abuse anyone. We are instructed by God to judge righteously, and try to steer unsaved scum such as yourself onto the path toward Salvation©. Sometimes the truth hurts, but that won't stop us from dishing it out to you. Your spelling and grammar indicates that you are a mental midget of some kind, so we are going to have a tough time getting through to you, I can tell.

Now get on your knees and admit that you are a worthless piece of heathen filth, and beg Jesus to take over your life boy. Do it now!

[Brother Phil (Quarantined)]

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how do you have copyrights to Salvation? now that is screwed up

oh so i get it because i have contradictory views to yours i am not able to insult you and yet your "Holy" pastors can insult me all that i want. You are a hypocrit! You tell me that i am not allowed to verbally abuse any one, and yet you called me a mental midget of some kind. No you are the idiot.

[Brother Phil (Quarantined)]

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I think you are mistaken -- the Lord God Himself insults people who do not believe in Him (calling them fools). We are merely tools for Jesus, vessels through which He flows. Each True Christian here has the Holy Spirit dwelling somewhere inside him, and therefore are only mouthpieces for the Word of God. Eternal damnation awaits for you for insulting the members on the board who are representatives for the Lord God Almighty. GLORY! The Bible gives us license to insult those who hate Jesus:

And since you have no proof that i hate Jesus it is that bord of "holy" members that represent anything but the views and teachings of Christ that i demand and appoligy from.

I actually love him! I am a christian, and i am also secure enough in my faith to accept the fact that evolution is true. Just because yall are not strong enough christians to not be affected by different viewpoints is not mine to judge. That is something that you will have to square with God some day.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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And since you have no proof that i hate Jesus it is that bord of "holy" members that represent anything but the views and teachings of Christ that i demand and appoligy from.

I actually love him! I am a christian, and i am also secure enough in my faith to accept the fact that evolution is true. Just because yall are not strong enough christians to not be affected by different viewpoints is not mine to judge. That is something that you will have to square with God some day.

No, you are a false Christian. You have not been Saved® by the blood of Christ. You think God's Holy Word is like a salad bar, where you can pick and choose what you like. You don't even show proper respect for God by using appropriate capitalization!

It doesn't work that way son. You have shown us by your words and hateful attitude that you hate Jesus. Unless you want to spend eternity gulping sulfur in hell, I'd suggest that you open your heart to Jesus and stop throwing a hissy fit every time things don't go your way.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

[Brother Phil (Quarantined)]

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No, you are a false Christian. You have not been Saved® by the blood of Christ. You think God's Holy Word is like a salad bar, where you can pick and choose what you like. You don't even show proper respect for God by using appropriate capitalization!

It doesn't work that way son. You have shown us by your words and hateful attitude that you hate Jesus. Unless you want to spend eternity gulping sulfur in hell, I'd suggest that you open your heart to Jesus and stop throwing a hissy fit every time things don't go your way.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Ok thanks... i am glad that you, the great pastor of the Saved® have told me that i am not a christian! I am so glad!? No it is not your place to tell me that how or what i believe is false. You as a pastor should be a loving shining example of Jesus' love for the world... what happened? You are hypocritical. If you are as holy as you seem to think that you are you would stop all of your criticism and start leading like the Lord would want you to. It is not your job to pass out damnation! That is why the only people that actually like christians are other christians!

Have you not noticed that people run away from you when you try to wittness to them with your mental and verbal rape? And no that is not because they are unsaved, its because you couldnt lead a gullible person to Christ if your life depended on it! Learn how to wittness the love of Jesus not pass out damnation like cookies. If you can't learn to do that you might as well work as a prison guard... no one likes them anyways.

[Brother Phil (Quarantined)]

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Note that I kindly use the "Quote" feature that God has provided for us.....

5 things that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt:

1. The Bible has been read by more people in this world than any 10 other books COMBINED.
2. The Bible is True beyond a shadow of a doubt. I personally have gone through every word and proven that each is TRUE.
3. Pi is exactly three.
4. The heavens are a flat surface, stretched above the earth like a sheet (in fact, this Fact has been lurking in the scientifical field for ages, even though scientists don't like to admit it, what with their "space-time" bull).
5. Jesus was the Son of God.

ALL of these (and so many more) have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt! Perhaps you need to visit the Landover University for the Saved research facility to see for yourself (full background check by the Department of Faith required for entrance).

Ok show me a proof of pi being three and its significance of this change.

Next the bible has never and can never be proven true... if you can i would really love to hear how you went through EVERY single scriputre and proved it true in under three months.

Now on your first point do you mean read in its entirity or just read from?

number four is just funny... if the heavens are a flat surface how did we get to the moon?

How did you difinitivly prove with out a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is the son of God? I want a full detailed explanation, and because the bible said so is not a good enough answer. I am not denying the last one. I believe that Jesus was the son of God, but i really have a hard time believing that you proved it.

I really think you were ripped off when you went to this college!

[Mrs. Rogers]

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I actually love him! I am a christian, and i am also secure enough in my faith to accept the fact that evolution is true.

Rubbish. It is only those who are brave enough to accept God's Word in it's entirety who are truly "secure" in their faith, as they have secured their salvation; living His Word as best they can - within the limits set by those dratted secular lawmakers anyway.

What do you have against the Bible, dear? Are the LORD's ripping yarns of old - and timeless laws - not "hip" enough for you? It would appear your salvation is being jeopardised by your snobbery.

I am praying for you.

[OnYourKnees]

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Have you not noticed that people run away from you when you try to wittness to them with your mental and verbal rape?

Verbal and mental rape? Run away?

No, I find that they stand and take it like men. It's what they really want, you see.