[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

For whosoever believeth, so whoever chooses to believe, that's free thinking.

Free will and having subjective opinions about the Bible are two different things. We can choose whether or not to receive Jesus as our savior. But as 2 Peter 1:20 warns us "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation".

[angels]

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If God created us all (and I do believe he did) why would he give us the ability to think freely if he didn't want us to do it?

I understand the reprocussions of believing in a different God, but I'm not about to go preach my God to someone. That's their life, they should be in control of it.

Hello Dannyy, welcome.
Nobody here is trying to force others to change their lives.
It's not as if the True Christians here are bashing anyone with Bible's is it?. People are trying to help the unbelievers. Trying to help them on the way to Jesus. And sometimes hearing the Truth actually hurts. But tough love is the only way to go.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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If God created us all (and I do believe he did) why would he give us the ability to think freely if he didn't want us to do it?

So you're saying He wants us to rebel against Him simply because we can? We can freely murder someone if we wanted to. We can freely engage in homosexual sodomy. We can freely lie with a beast. Are you saying God approves of that?

I understand the reprocussions of believing in a different God, but I'm not about to go preach my God to someone. That's their life, they should be in control of it.

So you ignore the Bible's commandments to tell us to preach the Word of God to the unsaved? Not very Christianlike, is it?

2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

[Dannyy]

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You know what, I'm really tired of arguing with people who will never even consider someone else's point. You have been so wrong about so much of what you are saying, not just in here, but in so many other parts of the forum.

Blacks, Homosexuals, and Retards are equal to us. God loves the man who is willing to help others, not the one who uses scare tactics like heaven and hell to make people believe in him. Yes, they exist, but you make it seem like you have to follow a certain lifestyle to the exact detail if you have any hope of getting into Heaven, as if you are all the perfect people.

God loves me as much as he loves Jimbo Osborne. It really bothers me that all of my good actions toward my fellow man will give me the same reward as you, the people who will shoot down anybody with different views than your own. God gave us free will so we could have and express our different views.

So while you sit behind your computers spewing hate and ignorance to the tools that actually believe what insane extremist pastors and reverends are saying, I'm going to go out and help someone, and actually earn my way into Heaven.

Bottom line, I am a great Christian, I love God. He loves me. See you in Heaven.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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You know what, I'm really tired of arguing with people who will never even consider someone else's point. You have been so wrong about so much of what you are saying, not just in here, but in so many other parts of the forum.

You know, I'm getting tired of fake Christians who don't know any Scripture to back up their claims. Also, you realize that we don't care about your unsaved opinions.

Blacks, Homosexuals, and Retards are equal to us. God loves the man who is willing to help others, not the one who uses scare tactics like heaven and hell to make people believe in him. Yes, they exist, but you make it seem like you have to follow a certain lifestyle to the exact detail if you have any hope of getting into Heaven, as if you are all the perfect people.

Where is your Scripture to support that? Wait, why even bother asking you. The Bible makes it perfectly clear what we should and should not do. We follow the Bible 100%, to the T. Therefore, it stands to reason, we are True Christians™. Anyone else is just picking and choosing which parts to believe.

God loves me as much as he loves Jimbo Osborne. It really bothers me that all of my good actions toward my fellow man will give me the same reward as you, the people who will shoot down anybody with different views than your own. God gave us free will so we could have and express our different views.

You're nothing but a blasphemer. Show us Scripture to back up your claims. The problem is, you can't. No matter how hard you look, you won't find the "Gospel of Dannyy" in there. Because that is what you are talking: Made-up nonsense that is nowhere to be found.

[Remy Lebeau]

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If God created us all (and I do believe he did) why would he give us the ability to think freely if he didn't want us to do it?

Define "think freely". We are all free to think as we wish.

Your question is akin to saying, "why would he give us the ability to molest babies if he didn't want us to do it?" Just because something is possible does not make it acceptable or right.

I understand the reprocussions of believing in a different God, but I'm not about to go preach my God to someone. That's their life, they should be in control of it.

Then you would stand by idly as a blind woman walked into rush hour traffic?

I do not know what to make of you. You say you are a Christian, you reference God as a creator, yet you do not belileve in Him.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry." - 2 Timothy 4:2-5

If you believe in God then you believe the above scripture to be True. With that in mind it is the duty of a Christian to preach. You cannot pick and choose what verses to believe in.

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." - Revelations 3: 15-16

Danny, you are heading headlong into the fiery pits of Hell. No amount of personal opinion on the matter is going to change what the Bible ACTUALLY says. Why do you even bother to call yourself a Christian or claim belief in certain biblical places (i.e. Heaven and Hell) and yet dismiss everything you don't like? It's like claiming to be a vegetarian, but dismissing the whole not eating meat issue because you enjoy Burger King Whoopers. You're a hypocrite, Danny.

"And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 24:51

[Dannyy]

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The good thing for me though, is I'm really not. I love God, and I know he loves me.

I'll see you in heaven. I'm going to bed now though. I expect to be banned in the morning, I've already got like 15 infractions.

[JennyD]

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The good thing for me though, is I'm really not. I love God, and I know he loves me.

I'll see you in heaven. I'm going to bed now though. I expect to be banned in the morning, I've already got like 15 infractions.

Why do you mock Jesus, Dannyy? You claim that those He condemns, like sodomites, are "equal" to Christians!

[Remy Lebeau]

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The good thing for me though, is I'm really not. I love God, and I know he loves me.

I'll see you in heaven. I'm going to bed now though. I expect to be banned in the morning, I've already got like 15 infractions.

Clearly you are intent on making up your own fictional mock Jesus and ignoring the actual book from which we acquire knowkledge of Him. You continually fail to realize that reality does not bend to your whims. Just because you want Jesus to be some lovey dovey pansy fag enabling liberal hippy doesn't make it so. God is a distinct entity apart from yourself. You can't just impose your own personal morality unto God no more than you can impose it on us. That is BLASPHEMY!!!

Do you honestly believe you can just make up a story and expect it to come true? Where is your scripture to support your assertions, Danny???

If you don't even believe in the Bible (which you obviously don't) why are you claiming that you're going to Heaven. You don't believe any other part of the Bible so why do you believe in Heaven?

It's like saying that the Death Star was real, but the rest of Star Wars is just science fiction. But your belief in the Death Star must be contingent upon a belief in the rest of the Star Wars universe. You wouldn't even know about the Death Star without the rest. Again, you're a blatant hypocrite and I can't help but think you are here to mock us.

[satan's False Word]

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Where is your Scripture to support that? Wait, why even bother asking you. The Bible makes it perfectly clear what we should and should not do. We follow the Bible 100%, to the T. Therefore, it stands to reason, we are True Christians™. Anyone else is just picking and choosing which parts to believe.

Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Peter 2:15-17
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Peter 2:15-17
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.

Where does it say that God loves retards?

[satan's False Word]

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Where does it say that God loves retards?

You'll have to look up the meaning of ALL in a dictionary to have a better understanding of His great love!
Where in the KJV does it say that God loves All of mankind, except the mentally disabled. And I am not referring to the scriptures you so often refer to on who God hates. We are focussing on LOVE here, not HATE!!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You'll have to look up the meaning of ALL in a dictionary to have a better understanding of His great love!
Where in the KJV does it say that God loves All of mankind, except the mentally disabled. And I am not referring to the scriptures you so often refer to on who God hates. We are focussing on LOVE here, not HATE!!

God does not love the unsaved and the unrepentant. If God loved everyone, what use would He have for hell?

What are you, a Lutheran or something? I suppose you think queer pastors are just fine and dandy.

[HelpMePrayBetter]

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It's just hard for a man like me to understand why all the long debates keep going on.

Good, devout, educated men like Pastor Ezekiel tell us what the Bible says. We then DO what the Bible says. Pastor = tell. Flock = do.

If I was good, devout, and educated enough to understand the Bible myself, then MY name would be Pastor. It ain't. His is.

I tried understanding the Bible on my own for thirty years, but the Lord saw fit just to lead me to better, wiser men who already understand it. That's why I'm here.

Pastor Ezekiel, I know that you care for the souls of these proud and ignorant folk and want to save them, too. You're a good man for that. Me, I just want to follow the directions laid down in God's Love Letters and get on to the purifying and cleansing.

[Remy Lebeau]

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The problem with false christians like you is that you pull scripture out of context and attempt to bend it to your whims. Sorry, but I am going to have to set you straight.

Rev. Jim, I see you have asked for scripture of where God says that He loves all people (black, mentally challanged and all the heathens outside of Landover's gates). I am happy to indulge you with these.

Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why don't you take that verse in context. That verse is Paul speaking from the perspective of one of God's Elect. As we here at Landover Baptist are likewise God's Elect, I can also say:

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long(seee Matthew 5:10-12); we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:33-39

This says that nothing can come come between God's love and His Elect, not that God loves everyone.

1 John 3:23 (You might want to spend some over-time lulling on this one, seeing as it commands us, word for word, to love one another, not only to love your white, healthy neighbor in Landover.)
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

When have we ever said that we do not love the pitiful uncleaned sinfilled massed who dot the globe? However, you're wrong in your assertion that this verse tells us to love unsaved trash such as yourself. "love one another" refers to other believers, not unbeliever like yourself.

"My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." - 1 John 3:18-23

As you can clearly see and read, these verses refer to those who "do those things that are pleasing in His sight". We all know what He does to those who don't uphold righteousness (Matthew 13:40-42) and it is definitely not loving.

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" - Matthew 5:44

The above is the verse you should have used. But even this verse does not specify that GOD loves everyone.

1 Thessalonians 3:12
12And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Peter 2:15-17
15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Like the previous verse you quoted, these verses do not say that God loves everyone. They call for US to love unsaved trash. Incidentally, 1 Thessalonians 3:12 differenciates between "one another" and the rest, "all men". It invalidates your initial "interpretation" of 1 John 3:23 you quoted above.

I am sure if you do a study on who God loves, as apposed to who He hates, you will find that he loves all of His creation.

You haven't studied God's Word so what would you know about who He Loves or Hates? Once again, you have not produced anything stating that God loves everyone (i.e to include unrepentent rapist, serial killers, thieves, homosexuals, those who practice bestiality, atheists, fornicators, pagans, etc.). Next time read the Bible instead of doing a blind google search for occurences of the word "love" in the Bible.