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  • GOD=life
    WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
    True Christian™
    • Jan 2010
    • 3263

    #16
    Re: Good evening

    Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
    That's nice.
    If that's an example of an intelligent argument, I'd rather have the stupid version...

    If you want to learn about God, then simply open the KJV 1611 Bible at page 1 and don't finish until you reach the end.
    I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

    Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
    Matthew 7:22
    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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    • Pastor Ezekiel
      Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
       
      • Sep 2006
      • 78556

      #17
      Re: Good evening

      God did in fact author the KJV Bible. Here it is explained in Christian comic book form.

      If you're up to it, I'd like to see you read my sermon on the subject HERE.
      Who Will Jesus Damn?

      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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      • True Disciple
        True Christian™ Creation Scientist
        Landover Baptist University Associate Professor
        Smashing atheist science one fact at a time
        True Christian™
        • Nov 2009
        • 2445

        #18
        Re: Good evening

        Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
        NOTE: Extreme here is used to indicate severity. You take it word-for-word, which is the extreme, as opposed to not listening at all (the other extreme) or interpreting the Bible (the middle).
        What is there to interpret in the Bible? It's as crystal clear as it reads! And remember, there is no middle way in following Jesus' Word(tm):

        Matthew 12:30:
        He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

        Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
        Mostly because most of your members are quick to label non-believers as trolls. That's all.
        That's because they often behave as trolls. Atheists and other God-deniers aren't generally known for their moral behaviour, as they have no moral guide:

        Psalm 53:1:
        The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

        Thus, yes, they wrote about their experience with God. However, man wrote the Bible. Given, a good chunk of it was Jewish theologians, but there were portions written by men ranging from fishermen to kings. Once again, not God.
        Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
        Don't nitpick. Read the post word-for-word. There's a reason the different books in the Bible have names in them. PEOPLE wrote them.
        God is omnipotent, and He wants that His Word(tm) reaches His Children(tm) in the form that He wants it to be. After all:

        2 Timothy 3:16:
        All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

        I would think that, if God wants us to use the Bible this way, He will make sure there are no errors in it. This is why the Bible (KJV) is infallible.

        Anyway, welcome on our True Christian(tm) forum. I pray that you will open your heart for the uncompromised Message of the Bible.
        Sweet Lord Jesus,
        I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
        Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
        Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
        Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
        Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
        Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
        Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

        Amen.

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        • Cranky Old Man
          Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
          You kids get off his lawn!
           
          • Jan 2010
          • 22373

          #19
          Re: Good evening

          Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
          There's a reason the different books in the Bible have names in them. PEOPLE wrote them.
          Yes, but those people where possessed by the Holy Spirit so it's still God's word.

          To use an analogy, is it your keyboard or you who is writing your posts?
          5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
          To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
          James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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          • Jonathan Edwards
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            • Jan 2010
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            #20
            Re: Good evening

            Yes, but those people where possessed by the Holy Spirit so it's still God's word.

            To use an analogy, is it your keyboard or you who is writing your posts
            Doesn't make a difference. There is no proof of the existence of the 'Holy Spirit'. More likely one of two things happened:
            1. They were on some hallucinogen, likely one of the many that came from fungi that infected wheat back then, or
            2. They lied!

            You're under the 'infallible' assumption that the Bible was written by God, and why? Because it says so! It's like me writing a book that says I'm God. Just because I wrote it there, does it make it true? It's a circular argument.

            That's because they often behave as trolls. Atheists and other God-deniers aren't generally known for their moral behaviour, as they have no moral guide:
            In my opinion, morals are much less important than ethics. Morals tend to have no logical reasoning behind them.
            If that's an example of an intelligent argument, I'd rather have the stupid version...

            If you want to learn about God, then simply open the KJV 1611 Bible at page 1 and don't finish until you reach the end.
            I'd rather not waste my time with such a pointless endeavor. The Bible has been retranslated so many times, I'm not about to read your wording of it.

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            • GOD=life
              WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
              True Christian™
              • Jan 2010
              • 3263

              #21
              Re: Good evening

              Can you at least admit that you lied about being Christian?
              I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

              Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
              Matthew 7:22
              Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
              Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

              Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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              • True Disciple
                True Christian™ Creation Scientist
                Landover Baptist University Associate Professor
                Smashing atheist science one fact at a time
                True Christian™
                • Nov 2009
                • 2445

                #22
                Re: Good evening

                Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
                Doesn't make a difference. There is no proof of the existence of the 'Holy Spirit'. More likely one of two things happened:
                1. They were on some hallucinogen, likely one of the many that came from fungi that infected wheat back then, or
                2. They lied!

                You're under the 'infallible' assumption that the Bible was written by God, and why? Because it says so! It's like me writing a book that says I'm God. Just because I wrote it there, does it make it true? It's a circular argument.
                My friend, I already explained this:

                Originally posted by True Disciple View Post
                God is omnipotent, and He wants that His Word™ reaches His Children™ in the form that He wants it to be. After all:

                2 Timothy 3:16:
                All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

                I would think that, if God wants us to use the Bible this way, He will make sure there are no errors in it. This is why the Bible (KJV) is infallible.

                Anyway, welcome on our True Christian™ forum. I pray that you will open your heart for the uncompromised Message of the Bible.
                In my opinion, morals are much less important than ethics. Morals tend to have no logical reasoning behind them.
                Ethical is defined here as "how the Bible says we should behave." That's the same as moral.
                If you disagree, how do you define ethical, then? I mean, God created everything, also morals and ethics. I would think He would be rather an authority on these subjects then, wouldn't He?
                Sweet Lord Jesus,
                I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
                Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
                Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
                Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
                Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
                Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
                Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

                Amen.

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                • Pastor Ezekiel
                  Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                   
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 78556

                  #23
                  Re: Good evening

                  Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
                  I'd rather not waste my time with such a pointless endeavor. The Bible has been retranslated so many times, I'm not about to read your wording of it.
                  In that case you are wasting our time and God's precious bandwidth.

                  Not that a busy Godmocker like you would be interested, but I have a sermon on the subject HERE that explains clearly how to tell which Bible version is the one TRUE Word of God.
                  Who Will Jesus Damn?

                  Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                  Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                  Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                  • GOD=life
                    WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                    True Christian™
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 3263

                    #24
                    Re: Good evening

                    This guy is a strange one... he changes religion every couple of posts.

                    But rest assured that he's not here to attack our little irrational beliefs, he's just here to tell us that the Bible is written by imbeciles on drugs and that God does not exist
                    I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                    Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                    Matthew 7:22
                    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                    Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                    • Jonathan Edwards
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                      • Jan 2010
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                      #25
                      Re: Good evening

                      Originally posted by True Disciple View Post
                      My friend, I already explained this:





                      Ethical is defined here as "how the Bible says we should behave." That's the same as moral.
                      If you disagree, how do you define ethical, then? I mean, God created everything, also morals and ethics. I would think He would be rather an authority on these subjects then, wouldn't He?
                      It's still an assumption. You're assuming God exists. It's true, I'm not very much of a Christian. I believe it's partially true, and thus give it as much attention and importance. But even then, I don't go to the extreme of telling people that they don't have rights and telling everyone they're going to hell.

                      And as for the second part, what you described there is more or less morals. I define 'ethical' as correct. I feel that as long as no one or nothing is being hurt by one's actions, it's ethical. Thus, I don't have a major problem with other religions, or with homosexuals and the like. But of course, that's so wrong, no?

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                      • Cranky Old Man
                        Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
                        You kids get off his lawn!
                         
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 22373

                        #26
                        Re: Good evening

                        Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
                        Doesn't make a difference. There is no proof of the existence of the 'Holy Spirit'.
                        Of course there is. It's in the Holy Bible.

                        You're under the 'infallible' assumption that the Bible was written by God
                        No it was written by people. There's a reason the different books in the Bible have names in them. God just made sure they did it the way he wanted it to be.

                        It's like me writing a book that says I'm God.
                        You would fail. Your book would be filled with inconsistencies and mistakes in logic, important aspects of life and the meaning of life would be missing. Only God himself could have written a book that covers everything in a consistent and logical way. No human could ever match that. But feel free to try anyway.

                        The Bible has been retranslated so many times, I'm not about to read your wording of it.
                        The KJV1611 is not his version, it is His version! Unlike many other versions it's translation is far more accurate. But I think you are only pretending to be interested in this. If you would be really interested you would already have known about KJV1611 and you would have read it already.
                        5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
                        To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
                        James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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                        • Jonathan Edwards
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                          #27
                          Re: Good evening

                          Originally posted by Cranky Old Man View Post
                          Of course there is. It's in the Holy Bible.

                          No it was written by people. There's a reason the different books in the Bible have names in them. God just made sure they did it the way he wanted it to be.

                          You would fail. Your book would be filled with inconsistencies and mistakes in logic, important aspects of life and the meaning of life would be missing. Only God himself could have written a book that covers everything in a consistent and logical way. No human could ever match that. But feel free to try anyway.

                          The KJV1611 is not his version, it is His version! Unlike many other versions it's translation is far more accurate. But I think you are only pretending to be interested in this. If you would be really interested you would already have known about KJV1611 and you would have read it already.
                          Oh, alright, you believe it was 'created' by God and written through people. Point is, your proof for God's existence is the Bible, which isn't much proof; It's just as likely to be a giant collaboration of false truths by many men.

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                          • GOD=life
                            WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                            True Christian™
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 3263

                            #28
                            Re: Good evening

                            I repeat: can you at least admit that you lied about being a Christian?

                            I know atheists have few morals, but come on...
                            I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                            Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                            Matthew 7:22
                            Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                            Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                            Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                            • Cranky Old Man
                              Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
                              You kids get off his lawn!
                               
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 22373

                              #29
                              Re: Good evening

                              Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
                              I'm Christian.
                              Originally posted by Jonathan Edwards View Post
                              Oh, alright, you believe it was 'created' by God and written through people. Point is, your proof for God's existence is the Bible, which isn't much proof; It's just as likely to be a giant collaboration of false truths by many men.
                              You claim to be a Christian, so that means there are at least parts of the Bible you believe in. If that is the case then why do you think all those other parts of the Bible exists? If you believe in Christ, how then can you believe He would allow false information about Him to be in His Bible? Don't you think God, being powerful enough to create everything, would be able to make sure His Bible is correct?
                              5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
                              To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
                              James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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                              • GOD=life
                                WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                                True Christian™
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 3263

                                #30
                                Re: Good evening

                                Originally posted by Cranky Old Man View Post
                                But I think you are only pretending to be interested in this.
                                I'm going to have to agree with you, Brother. This chap is not looking to learn but to lecture us Christians. The questions are already answered in the rules and announcements section of this forum.

                                Frankly, I have heard much more intelligent atheist arguments... perhaps one of us should argue on his behalf as he's not doing a very good job.
                                I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                                Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                                Matthew 7:22
                                Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                                Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                                Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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