[whisper]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Ok, hey guys. New member Whisper here and I just wanted to stte this as nicly as I can. I do not mean to offend any of you, for that is not what I am here to do.

I came here seeking a place to talk to fellow christans. Please excuse me If I misspell something, as I am on my iPod. Anyway, the few threads that I have looked At have not only offended me, but also made me feel a little bit worthless and just unworthy of God. Some threads made me very made, this being one of them. I have to say that I expected better from you all, seeing as this is a Christ centered site. Now, please do not bash what I am about to say. All I ask of you is to listen and to try and understand. Afteral, are not Christians supposedd to listen and be understanding?

Being a teenager is difficult enough without having to have someone poke fun at your clothing style and Music. I read these threads on emo and goth and I start to feel like no one here is really as open as they say they are. Myself? I think that "goth" and "emo" are labels and nothing more. They should. Not change the way you see someone. Just because a person wears black does not mean that they are the "spawn of the devil" or associated with Satan in any way. I am cuttently wearing A black Flyleaf shirt -Christian band-, a pair of Tripp pants -simply go onto hottopic.com if you do not know what these are-, black arm warmers, and black Converse. Does this make me emo or goth or a Satan worshipper? No. It makes me an almost 15 year old Christian girl dressed in dark colors.

I have friends who dress like
ME and others that do not. One of my friends, who is Mexican, frequently comes into school with checkered skinny jeans blasting Avenged Sevenfold -all of the members of a7x are Christians. Another one of my friends, who is black, likes arm warmers and wants to die her hair. We are all Christians, love God, pray all the time, and I have even led a few people to Christ.

Your protests against goth are false. If a person drinks blood, that means they practice vamprism and the got the blood drinking thing from the Bible. Self harm is a way of coping with pain when no one wants to listen - I would know! You can not pin these things onto label.

In fact, gothic is a building style and emo is really short for emotional. Instead of bashing these things, you should maybe talk to an "emo" or "goth" to get to understand. I'm open to talk too.

God bless.

[Nobar King]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Please excuse me If I misspell something, as I am on my iPod.

Why would you blame your iPod for your lack of education?

I have to say that I expected better from you all, seeing as this is a Christ centered site. Now, please do not bash what I am about to say. All I ask of you is to listen and to try and understand. Afteral, are not Christians supposedd to listen and be understanding?

Did you expect this to be a forum of licensed therapists? Maybe you're at the wrong forum if you want someone to hold your hand and not tell you how wrong you are.

I am cuttently wearing A black Flyleaf shirt -Christian band-, a pair of Tripp pants -simply go onto hottopic.com if you do not know what these are-, black arm warmers, and black Converse. Does this make me emo or goth or a Satan worshipper? No. It makes me an almost 15 year old Christian girl dressed in dark colors.

I have friends who dress like
ME and others that do not. One of my friends, who is Mexican, frequently comes into school with checkered skinny jeans blasting Avenged Sevenfold -all of the members of a7x are Christians. Another one of my friends, who is black, likes arm warmers and wants to die her hair. We are all Christians, love God, pray all the time, and I have even led a few people to Christ.

Those arm socks that you sluts like to wear serve only one purpose: To expose your upper arms and shoulders for boys to see. Be a decent Christian girl and buy some long sleeve shirts if your arms are cold. It's almost winter, now.

Your protests against goth are false. If a person drinks blood, that means they practice vamprism and the got the blood drinking thing from the Bible. Self harm is a way of coping with pain when no one wants to listen - I would know! You can not pin these things onto label.

Do you know why no one wants to listen to you? It's because you aren't willing to listen in the first place. There are plenty of people around who will tell you not to be depressed and not to cut yourself, but do you listen to them?

In fact, gothic is a building style and emo is really short for emotional. Instead of bashing these things, you should maybe talk to an "emo" or "goth" to get to understand. I'm open to talk too.

This is not a forum for talking to emotards or gothic sluts. It's a forum for close-minded people to praise Jesus and to fellowship with each other.

God bless.

Whom? You? Me?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Young lady, we honestly couldn't care less about your unsaved opinions. First off, labels are meaningful. What would you rather swim in a pool with? A fish labeled a "goldfish" or a fish labeled "great white shark". So don't give me that "Oh labels are meaningless!" nonsense.

Second, don't try to serve two masters at once, which is what you're doing. The Bible tells us that you cannot serve God and mammon, which as understood in the broadest sense, is a commandment not to serve two masters at once. Even the first of the ten commandments tells us that we shall not have any gods before God.

You're trying a delicate balancing act between being a Christian and being a Satan-worshipping goth. It's not going to work. You honestly think Jesus approves of you dressing like a devil-worshipping witch? You think Jesus wants you to listen to false-Christian rock 'n roll which leads you on the road to sexual fornication?

Young lady, at your rate, Jesus is going to toss your wrist-cutting butt in the flames of Hell! Jesus and I will sit back and laugh while that happens. This is why you need to repent your sins, give up your gothic, satan-worshipping deathstyle and ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR!

[whisper]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

I can see the we have different views on this subject. I have read yours and respect what you said. Some things I even agree with! However, I do not wish to let my emotions rule me, so I will not fight back. I do not want to be called unsaved filth again, for I know I am saved -thank God! I would like to mention the label thing, though. I meant labels for humans such as: prep, punk, emo, goth, jock, etc. I was not talking about animals I think you and I both know that human and animals are not the same.

[Thorn in God's Backside]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

I have several friends who are ethnic goths. They are wonderful people and are actually Christian. A human being is just that, a human who is able to express themselves in various diffrent manerisms. The ideal thing about being jumbled into a group labled "goths" means that we don't worry about seing the color of skin or religion, we see expression and beauty. I met a "goth" the other day who dressed in neon colors. She was very friendly and nice. A close friend of mine who is Christian is an ethnic goth is my best friend and has some of the best advice. He doesn't judge me or how I dress or do my makeup. He doesn't judge me because of my music. He knows that it is a form of expression and accepts me for that. Why is it that you people think that a goth=evil? I promice you that it is not so. True there is a bad apple in every bunch, and you could say the same do not deny it because it would be a lie to your God.
~I stand up for what I believe in, even if I stand alone~

[Nobar King]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

You stand alone.

[NickBremsha]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Young lady, we honestly couldn't care less about your unsaved opinions.

Young lady, at your rate, Jesus is going to toss your wrist-cutting butt in the flames of Hell! Jesus and I will sit back and laugh while that happens. This is why you need to repent your sins, give up your gothic, satan-worshipping deathstyle and ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR!

Isn't it someone's own choice what you want to believe in? I always thought America was a free country. And to honest, I'm wandering who's more sick; you or the goths... Don't get me wrong here, but the word of Jesus is about loving, not about hating.

[Mrs. Rogers]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Don't get me wrong here, but the word of Jesus is about loving, not about hating.

Oh but you are quite wrong, Nick.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Exactly, Mrs. Rogers. People believe in the myth that Jesus was all about peace, love, and tolerance, yet He wasn't afriad to show His hatred and anger. GLORY! Here's some more of my favorites.

Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Matthew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [Jesus is saying when he comes back he will kill most of the world, just like the story of Noah]

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. [Anyone who doesn't receive Christ's followers will be destroyed.]

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

[Nobar King]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

Isn't it someone's own choice what you want to believe in? I always thought America was a free country.

I think you're confusing the constitution with the concept of free will.

[Detheroth]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

I stand with "Thorn" therefore proving you wrong Nobar.

This thread is just as pathetic as the Fapping/masturbation thread. This site is full of scripture quoting stereotype haters, who are so blinded by their own ignorance as to not be able to see the flaws in their own judgement. The bible is not meant to be taken literally. There are too many contradictions in the bible to list them all, but here are a few:
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

A contradiction in Moses' personality:
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

And a contradiction as to whether the righteous flourish or die:
PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

Now if you follow the bible exactly, what do you believe? There are inconsistencies that are so blatantly obvious, and it proves that the bible is a book that is meant to be taken metaphorically. You pretend to shun people who do not follow your Puritan beliefs, but in reality, it seems that you are more pathetic than the people you attempt to ostracize .

Now im going to escape my ban and sit back and watch everyone flame me.

[Nobar King]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

What kind of name is Detheroth? Sounds kind of lispy.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

I stand with "Thorn" therefore proving you wrong Nobar.

This thread is just as pathetic as the Fapping/masturbation thread. This site is full of scripture quoting stereotype haters, who are so blinded by their own ignorance as to not be able to see the flaws in their own judgement. The bible is not meant to be taken literally. There are too many contradictions in the bible to list them all, but here are a few:
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

He's a LORD of war against his enemies and peaceful towards those who love him. What contradiction?

A contradiction in Moses' personality:
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

Meek because he followed the Lord, as for the killing, he was just passing on what God had told him.

And a contradiction as to whether the righteous flourish or die:
PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

We spiritually flourish like the palm tree, but when we die (perisheth) no secular man cares. Again, what contradiction?

Now if you follow the bible exactly, what do you believe? There are inconsistencies that are so blatantly obvious, and it proves that the bible is a book that is meant to be taken metaphorically. You pretend to shun people who do not follow your Puritan beliefs, but in reality, it seems that you are more pathetic than the people you attempt to ostracize .

Now im going to escape my ban and sit back and watch everyone flame me.

Those are not contradictions.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they we

This site is full of scripture quoting stereotype haters, who are so blinded by their own ignorance as to not be able to see the flaws in their own judgement.

Can you prove that by giving explicit examples or are you just making this up?

The bible is not meant to be taken literally.

God disagrees with you: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

There are too many contradictions in the bible to list them all, but here are a few

Nonsense. You cannot take just a few words, you have to look at the context! If you look at the context you will see that there are no contradictions in the Holy Bible. It's perfect.

Now im going to escape my ban and sit back and watch everyone flame me.

With leave the part with the flames to satan once you arrive in hell .

[neowolf24]

Re: Are there any black (African) Goths and what color do they wear?

wow there are a lot of morons here, I've seen something that says whisper is banned for life and guaranteed to go to hell. As a true Christian who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior, I can honestly say this website is a bunch of wackadoodles. Personally I would wear the banned for life thing as a badge of honor, as this site is about as Christian as Satan is. To the people who read this and assume all Baptists are like this, please don't compare us to morons like this. As for the topic at hand, to the writer I say you might as well talk to a brick wall, I guarantee you'll get a better, more intelligent response. Morons like this refuse to be reached by reasonable arguments or even common sense. Kudos for trying to stand up for what you believe in but you're just wasting time here.