[James Hutchins]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Make up your mind. Some very good points are listed but you belittle her because she is a woman. Heathen scum.
P.S I read it.

All of the good Pastors points are always valid, true and Godly. She is a woman, As such, she is inferior most any many (except australians, nigras and the french, they are born of tainted criminal blood).So, being the Pastor is an upstanding, beyond true Christian, I have to demand you take back your rude and uncalled for disparaging remarks.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Gravity: the force of attraction between all masses in the universe (objects to the ground)
Photosynthesis: The conversion of carbon dioxcide into organic compounds

Yes, great. Where does this force of gravity come from? Why does it exist. What makes things move?

How does carbon dioxide get converted organic compounds. How is the plant able to do this?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

#15 though, there are some intelligent people that do not believe in God. Charles Darwin was actually christian until his daughter died and he lost faith.

No there aren't. Charles Darwin was hardly intelligent, he actually believed in the theory of evolution!

[EmilyRose]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

No there aren't. Charles Darwin was hardly intelligent, he actually believed in the theory of evolution!

Because it's been proven.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Because it's been proven.

How ridiculous. There is NO proof for the THEORY of evolution. And even those things which scientists claim as proof weren't available in Darwin's day.

[Bryan Tamariki]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Because it's been proven.

Actually Emily the theory of 'evolution' has not been proven, that's why it's called a 'theory".

[Brother Temperance]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

P.S I read it.

And you're a nobody, so Pastor Ezekiel is still correct.

Because it's been proven.

If it's been proven, then Heathen Basher would have posted some proof for it. But he couldn't even find a single proof to post for it, although he could find 50 proofs that God is real and evilution is imaginary. Therefore, evilution can't be real.

[steinarey]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

"40. Science is just another (false) religion."
You previously said:
"18. The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves evolution is not so."
(this statement is wrong) but why should it matter if science is false?
"48. The Bible is 100% scientifically accurate."
Again... why should it matter? And again, a false statement.
Those (and in fact all) of your "proofs" don't prove anything, your just stating things that the Bible says, without ever establishing that the Bible is true.
At least not in any good reasonable way.
So that means...
"15. All intelligent people believe in the Christian God."
goes for people that are not that intellectual.

Here's one proof that God does not exist, and by the standards of reasoning, it is more powerful then all your statements together...

"Omnipotence is impossible due to paradoxes

Another way to disprove the almighty god is that omnipotence leads to paradoxes. Can god make a rock that is too heavy for him to carry? Can god build a wall that even he can't tear down?

Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. Thus god's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not omnipotent. Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and decisions one must act over time. If god stands above time he can not do that and has no free will. Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void!

Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be omnipotent." - http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/nogod/no_god.htm

[steinarey]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Yes, great. Where does this force of gravity come from? Why does it exist. What makes things move?

How does carbon dioxide get converted organic compounds. How is the plant able to do this?

If you took about 3 science classes, you would know.
Gravity is caused by what is called "space-time", a term coined by Einstein.
That is: Time is the 4th dimension and when heavy objects, with a great mass that is, are in existence they bend that space-time which makes things that are lighter go in the curves which are formed by the dent the heavy objects make in the space, that is time.

Listing all reactants and products, photosynthesis can be described as:
6 CO2 + 12 H2O → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O

Photosynthesis is a lot more complicated than the simplified diagram above. Actually, photosynthesis doesn't actually produce glucose; rather, it produces a 3-carbon compound which is a precursor to glucose. In addition, there are a couple different chemical pathways that plants utilize in different situations (see C3, C4, and CAM plants). In autotrophs, there are organelles within each plant cell called chloroplasts. Chlorophyll is a protein associated with a metal (magnesium). Chlorophyll absorbs energy (photons) from the sun and combines ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) with a phosphate group to form ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) in a process called phosphorylation. ADP + Phosphate + energy → ATP

This ATP has more energy than ADP. This extra energy is used by a number of other enzymes which build glucose molecules (C6H12O6 above) via the Calvin cycle of photosynthesis.

And photons go at the speed of light, which is relative to where it is. But in a vacuum Its value is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second, often approximated as 300,000 kilometres per second or 186,000 miles per second.
There you go...
Now let the Bible explain those things without science.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

If you took about 3 science classes, you would know.
Gravity is caused by what is called "space-time", a term coined by Einstein.
That is: Time is the 4th dimension and when heavy objects, with a great mass that is, are in existence they bend that space-time which makes things that are lighter go in the curves which are formed by the dent the heavy objects make in the space, that is time.

Listing all reactants and products, photosynthesis can be described as:
6 CO2 + 12 H2O → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O

Photosynthesis is a lot more complicated than the simplified diagram above. Actually, photosynthesis doesn't actually produce glucose; rather, it produces a 3-carbon compound which is a precursor to glucose. In addition, there are a couple different chemical pathways that plants utilize in different situations (see C3, C4, and CAM plants). In autotrophs, there are organelles within each plant cell called chloroplasts. Chlorophyll is a protein associated with a metal (magnesium). Chlorophyll absorbs energy (photons) from the sun and combines ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) with a phosphate group to form ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) in a process called phosphorylation. ADP + Phosphate + energy → ATP

This ATP has more energy than ADP. This extra energy is used by a number of other enzymes which build glucose molecules (C6H12O6 above) via the Calvin cycle of photosynthesis.

And photons go at the speed of light, which is relative to where it is. But in a vacuum Its value is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second, often approximated as 300,000 kilometres per second or 186,000 miles per second.
There you go...
Now let the Bible explain those things without science.

Look kid, I think you've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek. We aren't here to talk about your ridiculous lies, we are here to discuss only solid, hard truth (the Bible).

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

... some copy and pasted stuff ... Now let the Bible explain those things without science.

No problem: Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."

[steinarey]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

Look kid, I think you've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek. We aren't here to talk about your ridiculous lies, we are here to discuss only solid, hard truth (the Bible).

How does the Bible explain these things then?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

There is a lot of misleading "science" in this, and most of it is really just vague assumptions, ignorance of common sense, and believing things just because a "distinguished scientist said so" (appeal to authority).

If you took about 3 science classes, you would know.
Gravity is caused by what is called "space-time", a term coined by Einstein.
That is: Time is the 4th dimension and when heavy objects, with a great mass that is, are in existence they bend that space-time which makes things that are lighter go in the curves which are formed by the dent the heavy objects make in the space, that is time.

First off, there is no such thing as a "4th dimension" except as a concept used in science fiction films. When the Star Wars people flew to lightspeed they entered the 4th dimension. Quit looking to George Lucas for scientific information.

There are only 3 dimensions. One dimension is a straight line. Two dimensions is a square. Three dimensions is a cube. Can you draw anything more dimensional than a cube? It's impossible. All you make is a bigger cube.

Furthermore, "space-time" is a ridiculous concept. How can space = time? Space is space...the distance between objects. Time is time...how long something lasts. They are two seperate ways of measuring things. You can measure how far apart something is (space) or you can measure how long it lasts (time)? It makes as much sense as coming up with something called space-weight, or temperature-time.

Listing all reactants and products, photosynthesis can be described as:
6 CO2 + 12 H2O → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O

The math looks complicated but its actually very simple. You have 1 part Carbon Dioxide (CO²) and 2 parts Water (H²O). You also show your lack of chemistry knowledge by writing Carbon Dioxide as CO2 when it should be CO². Since you can't write proper formulas, how can we trust the rest of your chemical theories?

Photosynthesis is a lot more complicated than the simplified diagram above. Actually, photosynthesis doesn't actually produce glucose; rather, it produces a 3-carbon compound which is a precursor to glucose. In addition, there are a couple different chemical pathways that plants utilize in different situations (see C3, C4, and CAM plants). In autotrophs, there are organelles within each plant cell called chloroplasts. Chlorophyll is a protein associated with a metal (magnesium). Chlorophyll absorbs energy (photons) from the sun and combines ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) with a phosphate group to form ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) in a process called phosphorylation. ADP + Phosphate + energy → ATP

All this scientific mumbo-jumbo looks impressive, but can you prove it?

This ATP has more energy than ADP. This extra energy is used by a number of other enzymes which build glucose molecules (C6H12O6 above) via the Calvin cycle of photosynthesis.

What I am understanding is that if you take Carbon Dioxide and mix with Water you get Glucose? No. Glucose is a sugar. What you get instead is carbonated water, and certainly plants don't produce Dr. Pepper so once again your logic fails.

And photons go at the speed of light, which is relative to where it is. But in a vacuum Its value is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second, often approximated as 300,000 kilometres per second or 186,000 miles per second.
There you go...
Now let the Bible explain those things without science.

I have no idea how light speed came up in this discussion.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

No response?

Checkmate, atheist scum.

[gm jack]

Re: 50 Proofs that God Exists

There is a lot of misleading "science" in this, and most of it is really just vague assumptions, ignorance of common sense, and believing things just because a "distinguished scientist said so" (appeal to authority).

As opposed to the Bible said so? All distinguished scientists do so by writing papers, detailing the experiments they have done and why they make the conclusions they have.

First off, there is no such thing as a "4th dimension" except as a concept used in science fiction films. When the Star Wars people flew to lightspeed they entered the 4th dimension. Quit looking to George Lucas for scientific information.

There are only 3 dimensions. One dimension is a straight line. Two dimensions is a square. Three dimensions is a cube. Can you draw anything more dimensional than a cube? It's impossible. All you make is a bigger cube.

Actually, time can be considered a dimension. As we are 3 dimensional beings, be can only see one 3 dimensional reality at a time, but over time, that 3 dimensional reality changes as it moves through the 4th dimension (time). It's a bit of an abstract concept, but it's implications can be proven and measured. If you want, I can start explaining the theory, but I suspect it would be a lot of effort for minimal return.

Furthermore, "space-time" is a ridiculous concept. How can space = time? Space is space...the distance between objects. Time is time...how long something lasts. They are two seperate ways of measuring things. You can measure how far apart something is (space) or you can measure how long it lasts (time)? It makes as much sense as coming up with something called space-weight, or temperature-time.

The math looks complicated but its actually very simple. You have 1 part Carbon Dioxide (CO²) and 2 parts Water (H²O). You also show your lack of chemistry knowledge by writing Carbon Dioxide as CO2 when it should be CO². Since you can't write proper formulas, how can we trust the rest of your chemical theories?

However, the idea explains things which a separate time and space model could not. Einstein's work on relativity showed how time and space are irrevocably linked. For example, it explains why gravity is able to slow down light, despite light not having any mass.

All this scientific mumbo-jumbo looks impressive, but can you prove it?

I can. I did part of the experiments in my final year of school. None of it is actually that hard conceptually, but was just hideously tricky to refine in the first place.

What I am understanding is that if you take Carbon Dioxide and mix with Water you get Glucose? No. Glucose is a sugar. What you get instead is carbonated water, and certainly plants don't produce Dr. Pepper so once again your logic fails.

No. That is not forcing and chemical change between the two. As he described above, initially, the formation of glucose form water and carbon is unfavourable energetically, so requires an input of energy. However, due to a lovely little thing called the sun, photons are able to provide this energy. However, it can only occur via the the very specialist pathway provided for by the enzymes in the chloroplasts, which drastically require the energy needed for the reaction.

I have no idea how light speed came up in this discussion.

Someone else asked how fast a photon moves, so he gave the correct answer.