[ConcernedNumbskull]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Friend, the only thought crimes you should be concerned with are those the LORD Himself warns you against (ie, finding another person attractive Matthew 5:28, failing to give Him 100% of your attention and affection all the time Deuteronomy 6:5, failing to find His Glorious Biography believable John 3:18, etc). As the LORD knows just what you're thinking at all times (Psalm 139:2-4), you would do best to stop telling other people what to think, and start controlling your own thoughts lest they damn you to an eternity of torment.

Thought crime is the essence of 1984-like injustice.

I'm appalled a religion that controls thought exists, let alone controls over a BILLION goddamn people.

[GOD=life]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Don't feel attacked dear friend, we're on the same side.

Only God knows my feelings, please do not make assumptions as to what I feel. I feel only the purest form of love and that is what I dedicate much of my Earthly time for. It's a great deal for me and one I advice everyone to accept as well.

And He demand us to love Him and our brother and sisters, and yes even our enemy's!

Then you haven't been reading the Bible much...

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I know people who dressed perfectly well, live in a great chrisian society and still got raped.

You can send them over to me and I will gladly help them. It is quite possible that they do not follow the KJV 1611 Bible since it's a little harder for women to read. If you follow NIV or GNT, then you are really following an atrocity, even though it's also called "Bible". It's not.

You don't have to believe me, just do an online search for "NIV vs KJV" and you'll find out for yourself. Also: NIV took out verses that didn't fit their agenda.

Everything happens for a reason and if those women were raped in a fashion they didn't like, then it follows logically they they explore with God what they did wrong. God does not let anything happen to True Christians.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

If they're missing a shield, then maybe they're not fully trusting God?

Even by there so called brothers in Christ.

Are you referring to the Cat-holics? They're not Christian. At. All.

Again, if you don't believe me, do a simple online search: "catholic not christian" and prepare to be educated.

like you said they are victims.

Yes, but victims of what? If television and public education have led them to believe they SHOULD be acting like femme fatales and wear lingerie in public, then who exactly is doing the victimization here?

Let's say an atheist tells you to strap $100 bills to your body and take a midnight stroll in the Bronx. Of course you will get robbed (duh), but wouldn't the atheist be at least a tiny bit at fault for giving you dangerously misleading advice?

And that brings us to what we as True Christians are up against: people who give dangerously false advice, sometimes even under the "Christian" label with corrupted Bibles, pedophile priests and so on. Read the forums, you will find endless Scriptural support for every single position. That *is* Christianity: following the every single Word of God.

Now you might think: eh, we don't have to follow every word of God, right? That doesn't make sense. Well, let's see what God has to say on the matter:

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Okidoki, looks like we do have to follow every word after all. But maybe we should interpret things and stuff? Like bend the rules a little bit? Surely that's okay??

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

Oh, bummer Looks like we cannot give our own twist to it.

Although I have no idea why she should write a apoligy to there father, while they are the victim.. ??

For starters, his dignity has been put at stake. The rapist has to make amends with the father and pay 50 shekels (about $14 today):

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

God instructs us that the rapist has to marry her (provided that she's a virgin).

It is great to pray for and write a letter to there rapist when they are ready to forgive them, ...

Forgiveness goes both ways: there are three victims here: the woman who is raped, the father and the rapist. They are equal victims but through Christ's love, they can make amends.

Still surprising: you feel attacked while you actually say you agree with me: we as christians should bring them back to Jesus, so they know they are loved.

Hold your horses there: however or whatever I feel as a Christian has no bearing on a rational conversation. Secondly, I have seen no proof that you are a Christian or perhaps someone pretending to be.

There is an introduction section where newcomers to our friendly forums introduce themselves and also give their favorite Bible verses. So far, I have not seen a single verse coming from you, so you being a Christian (see how True Christians capitalize the word "Christian") is very much unsubstantiated opinion.

In Christ.

[IHeartLardLucifer]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Friends,

I recently received a rather offensive email from an abusive Goth, who was for some reason angry at my What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?? Article.

In her email she 'claimed' to be 'horrified' by my article? She told me I was apparently a 'heartless ignorant bigot sexist caveman', and told me she herself had been a rape-victim... like that's any surprise??

It's a well known FACT that the rape statistics are extremely high within the Gothic subculture. But then what do they expect? If you dress like a hooker, men will treat you like a hooker. You play, you pay!

Take a look at these freaks ...











They all look like whores ! Is it any wonder so many goths are raped, when they dress like filthy Satanic sluts in heat?? It's disgusting... then they complain about it??They may as well paint a red big sign on themselves saying "Rape Me Rape Me Rape Me" with the way they dress.

They are pathetic!

I think the "freaks you posted look rather hot, especially that cool as wings tattoo

[A Follower]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

I think the "freaks you posted look rather hot, especially that cool as wings tattoo

No wonder then that they get raped by you and your ilk. People like you have no Christian morals so nothing is stopping you from raping them. Exposing your lust for the filthy pictures on this public Christian forum is already halfway to raping them.

[Keystone]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Son, most of these Goth freaks are Satanists, Nazis, drug-addicts and perverts. They get raped BECAUSE the hate God, because they refuse to dress like normal folks, and refuse to act like a normal human being. Do you not think that maybe God wanted them to get raped, as a warning to turn from their sinful perverted lives? They may not get a second chance. These statistics speak for themselves. If these freaks don't want to get raped, they should quit dressing themselves up like cheap street trash, get some respect and common decency, and start going to Church - while they still have time.

Not you, my brother, but the things you say make me sad and angry.
Ill explain.
First off you use the term 'most off' My question is how many do you know personally enough to know what they are?
I guess I know more.

Even if some are nazi, satanist, drug addict etc, you think that is making it impossible for God to safe em? You think those troubles are bigger then God? Of course not! You know God is biggest of all things. Period.

You really think God wants them to get raped?!
God NEVER wants any one to get hurt, not you, not me and also no goth.
They (as MANY others) get raped for some people are sick in there heads and those who are, aren't mostly goth's most are 'normal' looking people in suits and dressed up well and sober.

Yes, they want attention. Don't we all?
They just don't know Jesus yet! We all get Jesus attention and that is enough, they need Him too and it is our job to show Who Jesus is!
And that is not a person Who wants them to get hurt, He wants to safe em.
He doesn't rejoice when a goth get raped or hurt. He cries. He wants His children all at home.

One of our sisters in here remembered me of the something Jesus tough us. (the sister who works with people who got raped, to bring em back to Jesus) She said "Love your enemy's" How you talk about this goth girls and guys, are like they are your enemy's (Trash doesn't sound like you think they are valuable, and so enemy's) Shouldn't you love your enemy's? Even if they are goth?
Didn't Jesus loved all who where 'trash' and 'scum' ?
Maybe we should to.

I don't know much, but I know Him.
And for that I want to share His loving toughs with you.

Love you all and pray we might to get to know Him more and more, so that His name will be honored. <3

[James Hutchins]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

I just have to wonder, who in their right mind would want to rape a goth? Surely they are all syphilitic and have the AIDS all over their bodies. They might as well add a tattoo on their faces that says 'Touch me and Die'.
Can you imagine the stench thier breath must reek of, bits of dead babies in thier teeth and the fecal matter of the thousands of random sex partners.
I am convinced God allows goths to roam His Earth to forewarn those non-Christians of the fate that will befall them if they fail to heed His Loving warnings. They remind me of the bloddied and totaled car on the trailer the cops bring around to teach the dangers of drunk driving.

[Didymus Much]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

...God NEVER wants any one to get hurt...

Ever read the Old Testament?

Or Revelation?

How do you even square the crucifiction with your view of what God wants?

[Nobar King]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

I just have to wonder, who in their right mind would want to rape a goth?

Are you talking about male rape or female rape?

[Keystone]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Only God knows my feelings, please do not make assumptions as to what I feel. I feel only the purest form of love and that is what I dedicate much of my Earthly time for. It's a great deal for me and one I advice everyone to accept as well.


Then you haven't been reading the Bible much...

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


You can send them over to me and I will gladly help them. It is quite possible that they do not follow the KJV 1611 Bible since it's a little harder for women to read. If you follow NIV or GNT, then you are really following an atrocity, even though it's also called "Bible". It's not.

You don't have to believe me, just do an online search for "NIV vs KJV" and you'll find out for yourself. Also: NIV took out verses that didn't fit their agenda.

Everything happens for a reason and if those women were raped in a fashion they didn't like, then it follows logically they they explore with God what they did wrong. God does not let anything happen to True Christians.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

If they're missing a shield, then maybe they're not fully trusting God?


Are you referring to the Cat-holics? They're not Christian. At. All.

Again, if you don't believe me, do a simple online search: "catholic not christian" and prepare to be educated.


Yes, but victims of what? If television and public education have led them to believe they SHOULD be acting like femme fatales and wear lingerie in public, then who exactly is doing the victimization here?

Let's say an atheist tells you to strap $100 bills to your body and take a midnight stroll in the Bronx. Of course you will get robbed (duh), but wouldn't the atheist be at least a tiny bit at fault for giving you dangerously misleading advice?

And that brings us to what we as True Christians are up against: people who give dangerously false advice, sometimes even under the "Christian" label with corrupted Bibles, pedophile priests and so on. Read the forums, you will find endless Scriptural support for every single position. That *is* Christianity: following the every single Word of God.

Now you might think: eh, we don't have to follow every word of God, right? That doesn't make sense. Well, let's see what God has to say on the matter:

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Okidoki, looks like we do have to follow every word after all. But maybe we should interpret things and stuff? Like bend the rules a little bit? Surely that's okay??

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

Oh, bummer Looks like we cannot give our own twist to it.


For starters, his dignity has been put at stake. The rapist has to make amends with the father and pay 50 shekels (about $14 today):

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

God instructs us that the rapist has to marry her (provided that she's a virgin).


Forgiveness goes both ways: there are three victims here: the woman who is raped, the father and the rapist. They are equal victims but through Christ's love, they can make amends.


Hold your horses there: however or whatever I feel as a Christian has no bearing on a rational conversation. Secondly, I have seen no proof that you are a Christian or perhaps someone pretending to be.

There is an introduction section where newcomers to our friendly forums introduce themselves and also give their favorite Bible verses. So far, I have not seen a single verse coming from you, so you being a Christian (see how True Christians capitalize the word "Christian") is very much unsubstantiated opinion.

In Christ.

Hey Jesus lover!
First I ant to thank you for your effort and time, I see you have a lot af knowledge and that is great.
We might learn somethings here ^^

Sorry if I interpreted something wrongly. Its hard to see in glyph the emotions, I got it from the phrase you say I persecute you.

About not reading the bible, well let's say only God knows this too ;p
I do know that phrase.
It is about when you do follow Jesus, you must be willing to hate em, if they do not follow Jesus with you.
For what will the point be, to hate them and do all to show em that, while they follow Jesus just as good as they can, with you?

But im gonna relay on my sister again, found her name now: Mary Etheldreda. She remembered me on the verse about loving our enemy's. Not only that but, also thinking on matthew 22 when they ask Jesus what the most important commands are.
I know I don't have to explain to you what He replays.
What do you think about that?

About the translation versions, I'm not from around your place, we have dutch bibles here. I am sure God is big enough to make sure translation mistakes don't become so big that they might lead me away from God.
If that is possible, and there's just one English written bible that is leading to Him, He knew that half of the earth will be lost and He wouldn't make them in the first place.
I am sure He is sovereign, and so He took care of this.

Can I ask, wasn't David a man to Gods heart. While he had committed adultery?
Wasn't Petrus a disciple of God, while he had sunk in the water and had to little faith? Even when he betrayed Jesus before the cock crowed?
Wasn't he a true christian?
He still sunk when he lost side of Jesus, right?

I found your comparison rather odd, but like I said I'm not from around there ;p But I get your point you are saying we should be aware of evil advice. Of course we should never listen to it and want those who did follow up bad advice.

Thanks for your wisdom, its a reminder, but yea of course we shouldn't follow up every word of it, and no we shouldn't water it down. I'm glad to tell you I was already blessed by having this knowledge. =]

The part about paying the dad $14 and force her to marry him we disagree. There where like 3 kinds of laws I think. Let me know if you disagree.
Ceremonial, civil and moral law. In which the ten commandments are the moral. They still count, for they are timeless.
The ceremonial aren't needed anymore for they all pointed to Jesus, and He already died, He said it is finished.
And the civil commandments where for that time. We also don't stone people to dead right? For the moral law says: Don't kill.
Please let me know you thoughts on this.
I'll be glad to hear em.

If we believe Jesus is the Son of God, He got down on earth, died for our sins, rose from the grave and went to heaven, to return one day again.
And we accept Him as our Lord and savior and life to that believe, we are Christian. I believe we can't add anything or leave anything out.
He is the Way, the Truth and the Live. Amen?

If it will make you happy, I will try introduce myself and give you my verse and reasons why. It is a awesome testimony of God's love actually.
But I'll never put anything on to prove to you or anyone, that I am or am not a Christian. For Jesus knows about this, that is enough for me.

Don't you just love His love and grace?
I love you brother!
I pray God will bless you with even more knowledge and wisdom from Him!

(hope I answered all things, if not feel free to ask more)
~I don't come to argue, just to spread the love, build you up and get build up, for He gives me so much love it is to much to keep for myself! <3 ~

[Keystone]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Sorry, Correction:

...Of course we should never listen to it and warn those who did follow up bad advice...

...yea of course we should follow up every word of it...

[Keystone]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Ever read the Old Testament?

Or Revelation?

How do you even square the crucifiction with your view of what God wants?

Hey dear friend ^^

I like your boldness and honesty. Question everything, and keep what is good. I hope you'll stay critical, but open minded as you read on =]

I did red the OT. I just finished it actually.
Get your thoughts, I have the privilege to have most people I know aren't believers. (I call this a privilege for it is a opportunity to show Jesus' love.)

Anyway, the OT is pretty violent, yes. But most is done by people and not even by God's command nor will.
Some is, I'm still investigation this. (Yay, I still got a lot to learn ;p) But it is never the end goal to hurt any one. The goal is always for good. And he never enjoys giving punishments.

Revelation, is about separating all that is evil from the people He loves (which includes all people, if the want)
But He can't force them, He won't take away your free will.
He still ain't back for He is very patient. He wants all people to get saved.
He won't enjoy people going to hell. He wants ALL in heaven, it is up to you.
I hope you join us though! =D Would be great.

The crucifixion! Oh my there you start such a great story.
I'm exited to tel you about it. First you need to keep in mind that Jesus is God and God is Jesus. He is 3 in 1. See Him as the righteous judge. Even thou He don't want to punish, He has to. He can't agree with sin. He is like the Father, who needs to punish His kid when he runs upon the street. For He want to prevent the kid comes under the bus.
So He needed to punish, then He said I'lltake the blame! Jesus become a man, a human like us. He prayed please let this pass, I (my fleshly me) don't want to do this (die on the cross). But only Your will be done.

And so it went. The Father cried when Jesus died the sky went dark for it. But for that, Jesus took our sin and so we could be free. That is why Jesus went our of free will for He loves you so much.

I hope this will help. Does this makes any sense?
If you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer them.

Jesus loves you SO much!
I'll pray you might get to know Him, He is waiting for you!

Much love,
from the Netherlands

[Didymus Much]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

...If that is possible, and there's just one English written bible that is leading to Him, He knew that half of the earth will be lost and He wouldn't make them in the first place...

Why are you putting limits on what God would do?

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

...Anyway, the OT is pretty violent, yes. But most is done by people and not even by God's command nor will...

You are very, very wrong.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 "2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling"

[Didymus Much]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

...Anyway, the OT is pretty violent, yes. But most is done by people and not even by God's command nor will...

Oops, I forgot about the Midianites:

Judges 6:16 "And the Lord said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man."

[James Hutchins]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Are you talking about male rape or female rape?

They have multiple sexes? Is there no end to the horror of the gothics?

[Keystone]

Re: DO GOTHS DESERVE TO GET RAPED ???

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

Hello there,

Not sure how to private mail you back so let's put it here.
It is kinda similair to this above but you sended me:

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You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

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Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.
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Not sure what part of my message you find yakker for I am telling him about our Lord.

Thanks you pray for me. But safe your precious time, the Holy Ghost fills my heart and there is no place for any demons.

Maybe I'll put out my testimony later on, I don't have the feeling you would be helped by it, but maybe others will be encouraged by it.
I spoil a thing though: I did not found Jesus, He found me...

Love <3