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Old 05-18-2008, 06:43 AM
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Yes, Freehold is one of the only counties in the United States to have such laws. Praise Jesus!
So, are you saying only in Freehold can one legally act as cruel to animals one wishes?
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So, are you saying only in Freehold can one legally act as cruel to animals one wishes?
We follow God's laws, mr. slant. All that "be kind to dumb animals" crap was coined by Karl Marx.
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Has this chucklehead ever cracked open a Bible?

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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We follow God's laws, mr. slant. All that "be kind to dumb animals" crap was coined by Karl Marx.
So you agree that your creation science team is experimenting on animals with cruel methods?
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So you agree that your creation science team is experimenting on animals with cruel methods?
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So you agree that your creation science team is experimenting on animals with cruel methods?
My above post didn't capture the extent of my question. I meant to say: So you agree that your creation science team is illegally experimenting on animals with cruel methods.
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My above post didn't capture the extent of my question. I meant to say: So you agree that your creation science team is illegally experimenting on animals with cruel methods.
I agree to no such thing. Are your eyes so slanty that you can't read English?

I clearly stated that the laws of Freehold follow the Laws of God.
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I agree to no such thing. Are your eyes so slanty that you can't read English?

I clearly stated that the laws of Freehold follow the Laws of God.
It's funny that you (plural) comment on my "slanty" eyes. I have made it very clear before and I will now, I don't have slanted eyes. Heredity is very powerful. Remember: Chinese dad and American mom.

So does Freehold have some sort of license that grants it freedom from the laws of the United States? I'm specifically speaking about America, God's supposed favorite country, is what you're doing illegal? Again, not the laws of your Christian faith or God, but the laws in our Constitution.
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So does Freehold have some sort of license that grants it freedom from the laws of the United States? I'm specifically speaking about America, God's supposed favorite country, is what you're doing illegal? Again, not the laws of your Christian faith or God, but the laws in our Constitution.
Where in the U.S. constitution does it say we have to be nice to dumb animals?

Every community has its own laws HopSing. For example dog fights are perfectly legal in some locales.
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I'm going to ignore the pointless studies you carry out and the fact that you are debunking myths that you already know the answers to and the hate you have to God's creatures. But I just want to ask one question: How do you get away with such immoral animal experiments? Aren't there laws that protect animal cruelty?
LBDD; many thanks for your interest in BS. Sister Virginia has answered one part, if I may, I will rebut the others.

Many people believe superstition or fail to believe in The Inerrant Word of God as per The Bible 1611. These same people would laugh if mendacious, untrustworthy, secular scientists were to “make discoveries” like Piltdown Man, the Tasaday tribe, the alien corpse at Roswell, whereas even the most Godly of Biblical Scientists can be, because of their innocence, goodness and trust, be subject to cruel atheist hoaxes e.g. Johann Beringer of Würzburg and The signature of God.

We here at Landover must therefore cover past ground as well as breaking new, so as to form an authoritative database.

Everything is proportional – we see that where human life is at stake, such things as “Extraordinary Rendition” (random Muslims being deported to a more liberal country for interrogation) is an acceptable solution.

Where the offense would be, say, one of jay-walking, a raid at 3a.m. by an Armed SWAT team and having your DNA taken from the rear in open court might be seem as a little excessive, or non-proportional.

Now in BS, we are looking at the immortal and Eternal soul and the life hereafter. What could be more important that that?

And did not God give us dominion over the animals and was that not that we might live a good and fruitful life? Well, of course it was!

Now, having been presented with the arguments, I’m sure that you see that any little scratches or grazes an animal may receive, it for the greater good and “proportional”

May I suggest that true science should know no boundaries, and to that end we have secured a few dolphins pups and Tuesday next we are due to ship them to the Mojave Desert to see if they die. The point being that if evolution worked, and these are fish that once lived on land, they should retain the wherewithal to exist quite happily in these conditions.

As True Scientists, we took the young ones so that they had not really had a chance to get used to water – so the results should be accurate, and one in the eye for evilutionists!
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Ezekiel Bathfire, let me spare you the trouble. I will tell you that the dolphins will not survive and so you do not need to go through the trouble of torturing these dolphins. The dolphin speciese has adapted to living in the ocean, they can not spontaneously adapt, that is not how natural selection works. Evolution is the gradual increase to complex diversity governed by the rules of natural selection. An animal can't choose to be adapted to any one environment. So even though your results are blindly obvious, you will not have disproven evolution.

Also, my question has not been answered. I don't get about the laws of God, I care only if these experiments are being produced illegally in our secular-governed country, America.
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Ezekiel Bathfire, let me spare you the trouble. I will tell you that the dolphins will not survive and so you do not need to go through the trouble of torturing these dolphins. The dolphin species has adapted to living in the ocean, they can not spontaneously adapt, that is not how natural selection works. Evolution is the gradual increase to complex diversity governed by the rules of natural selection. An animal can't choose to be adapted to any one environment. So even though your results are blindly obvious, you will not have disproved evolution.
If True Science concerned itself merely with what everyone thought was true, we would be living in the Dark Ages! I’ll tell you how the dolphin pups get on.

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Also, my question has not been answered. I don't get about the laws of God, I care only if these experiments are being produced illegally in our secular-governed country, America.
Let me put you straight on that one:

Iowa Territory was an organized territory of the United States from July 4, 1838 until Monday December 28, 1846 when the southeastern portion of it was separated to become Iowa, the 29th state. Now at the time of the joining, there were Landovers (and may still be) in other states and territories.

This lead to confusion and when Iowa was formed, the first Govenor of Iowa, James Clarke, (1812-1850) fought tirelessly to bring, what he saw as a great Christian advantage to the State, little knowing that it was already in Iowa - and no one pointed this out. So when the census of the new State was done, Landover was not included and never mentioned.

This omission could have been rectified but James Clarke died in a cholera epidemic on July 28, 1850 and Landover was forgotten and stayed unrepresented – which it found to be no disadvantage.

So without representation Landover paid no taxes to the Union and was self-governing. This meant that all laws passed in the name of Iowa, as described in the Act that brought Iowa into the Union, had no effect on Landover as no mention was made of it.

The next interesting part of history was the Civil War. Minnesota and Iowa came out on the Union side but Landover was never asked. This was just as well for, bearing in mind God’s support of slavery, Landover had enjoyed excellent relations with the Confederacy under Jefferson Davis.

At 4:30 o'clock on the morning of April 12th, the Confederates, under General Beauregard, opened fire on Fort Sumter and the Civil War had begun. President Davis called for 100,000 troops to support the independence of the South and Landover.

On April 9, 1865 General Robert E. Lee surrendered the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia to Lieutenant General Ulysses S. Grant under terms written by the latter. It was perhaps excusable that the surrender did not include Landover.

Landover continued being at war with the Union until 1959, and may have continued longer had not the error been seen by the sharp-eyed Professor Jehoram Mordant of the history department of Landover Christian University.

After some discussion with the late Pastor Deacon Aaron Carver and some very prominent members of the then majority party of the administration (who were members of Landover), it was responsibly agreed that Landover should be integrated into the Union, and, when that integration was complete, peace should be declared on terms agreeable to Landover.

The process has taken some time and negotiations at the highest level continue and have slowly brought Landover into line with most (but not all, and with several provisos) of the present Federal laws.

So, after all that, the laws on vivisection are basically those formulated before Iowa joined the Union in 1846.

There is thus no offense of animal cruelty, and, in any case, I have explained elsewhere, the experiments are proportional to the good they do.
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Mr. Bathfire, I find your vivisection experiments most compelling. Congratulations on undertaking such a difficult, though doubtless rewarding, field of inquiry!

As your pastors doubtless do, I work on my sermons months in advance. Currently, I'm preparing something for the Sunday before World Animal Day, an annual event held on October 4.

On this day, PETA activists and other Christ-hating monsters "celebrate" animals for the things they provide, like companionship and "a sense of wonder". They ignore, of course, their most important contributions . . . FOOD and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH!

I would love to show my congregation what science REALLY is about on World Animal Day, and demonstrate to them how animals can help us understand God (and His enemies, like Wiccans) better. Have you put together a PowerPoint show of your work? I think it would be wonderful for the children to see, perhaps to help guide them toward a career in Creation Science in Christ's service.

While I admit to hoping to be the first to publicly display such a slideshow for the edification of my congregation, I realize the importance of your work and would certainly understand if you felt it best to put your work in the public eye via YouTube or some simliar resource.
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Mr. Bathfire, I find your vivisection experiments most compelling. Congratulations on undertaking such a difficult, though doubtless rewarding, field of inquiry!

As your pastors doubtless do, I work on my sermons months in advance. Currently, I'm preparing something for the Sunday before World Animal Day, an annual event held on October 4.

On this day, PETA activists and other Christ-hating monsters "celebrate" animals for the things they provide, like companionship and "a sense of wonder". They ignore, of course, their most important contributions . . . FOOD and SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH!

I would love to show my congregation what science REALLY is about on World Animal Day, and demonstrate to them how animals can help us understand God (and His enemies, like Wiccans) better. Have you put together a PowerPoint show of your work? I think it would be wonderful for the children to see, perhaps to help guide them toward a career in Creation Science in Christ's service.

While I admit to hoping to be the first to publicly display such a slideshow for the edification of my congregation, I realize the importance of your work and would certainly understand if you felt it best to put your work in the public eye via YouTube or some similar resource.
As a True Scientist™, I am always pleased when others take an interest, as through them, I feel that I am dispelling ignorance and a general fear of Biblical Science, without which, secular, so-called scientists would corrupt the mind and faith of millions.

We here at Landover Christian University Research Facility are usually content to have our papers peer reviewed by others from Christian Universities throughout God’s World. We (and that includes me) are unused to public displays, although your idea and infectious enthusiasm are certainly compelling.

A problem I have is that all results of research are, by contract, the intellectual property of Landover Baptist Church and thus I would have no ethical choice but to discuss the matter with The Pastors. Nevertheless, unless I have missed something, which is not beyond the bounds of possibility, I feel that they would raise no objection to the Slide Show. (I assume it is similar to a Magic Lantern viewing?) Indeed, I have even thought of a title “World Animal Day – Animals in the Service of God” and I see Landover’s name prominent in all slides!

Please keep in touch, your advice may be valuable if it is agreed that I progress.
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I feel that they would raise no objection to the Slide Show. (I assume it is similar to a Magic Lantern viewing?)
There are some similarities, yes. It's like a computerized version of the Magic Lantern!
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Indeed, I have even thought of a title “World Animal Day – Animals in the Service of God” and I see Landover’s name prominent in all slides!
Mister Bathfire, that is a wonderful title! And here I thought scientists were all dry and uncreative. Thank you for showing me the error of that mistaken assumption!
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Have you put together a PowerPoint show of your work? I think it would be wonderful for the children to see, perhaps to help guide them toward a career in Creation Science in Christ's service.

While I admit to hoping to be the first to publicly display such a slideshow for the edification of my congregation, I realize the importance of your work and would certainly understand if you felt it best to put your work in the public eye via YouTube or some simliar resource.
What a great idea, Rev. Rodimer! Using the Devil's own tool, YouTube, to share glorious Creation Science with the masses!

Well done, sir!
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To the original poster,

Your post is a sick and demented post especially the pictures used at the end.
It takes a truly sick-minded individual to post such a thing.
People that do things to any innocent animals are the worst, you are just as bad for writing like you did. Such photos displayed should be made illegal.

Karma and the law of three will come and get you for this post.

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Do you or have you ever eaten meat?

I suspect that the act of eating meat involves an innocent animal.
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Your post is a sick and demented post especially the pictures used at the end.
It takes a truly sick-minded individual to post such a thing.
People that do things to any innocent animals are the worst, you are just as bad for writing like you did. Such photos displayed should be made illegal.

Karma and the law of three will come and get you for this post.

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Dear Jerc -

What is this "karma"? Where is it in the Bible?

We are Christians, not Hindus. We do not believe in this "karma" nonsense.

What is this law of three? Does that mean that someone else will post three times as many photos of vivisection experiments?

Now, to tag on Herr Doktor's post, have you eaten meat? Eggs? Dairy products? Worn leather? Used glue? Ridden a horse? Walked a dog on a choke-chain? Worn silk?

If so, you are just as guilty of murdering and abusing innocent animals, hypocrite!
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Your post is a sick and demented post especially the pictures used at the end.
It takes a truly sick-minded individual to post such a thing.
People that do things to any innocent animals are the worst, you are just as bad for writing like you did. Such photos displayed should be made illegal.

Karma and the law of three will come and get you for this post.

Joric.
Save your Karma for that Transformer, Boy George. Law of Three? Does that have anything to do with the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost?!? If not, then I dare say it doesn't mean anything to me.

I happen to hate cats. Besides being the preferred vessel of demonic familiar spirits, they taste bland and have stringy meat like a poorly cooked jackrabbit.
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