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The Landover Baptist University for the Saved has received an offer of a $1.5Million grant from the DOF to research into a True™ Periodic Table. The offer is conditional upon a Republican victory, so we are entirely confident and are spending the money prudently and wisely.

As no further research work will take place until after November, the following is thus to be considered a work in progress. All the more so, as it has not yet been peer reviewed. Suggestions, amendments, additions are welcome.

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Notes:

Earth Air Fire and Water are simultaneously elements and attributes and modifiers. This is not a simple concept, so you should just accept it.

The Genesis Group
This is mainly concerned with the basic elements.
Brass: There is what I believe to be an errant group of researchers, who would have it that Brass can be transmuted to Copper and another, as yet unnamed, element. However, this is clearly abject rubbish as it is stated in Job:28:2: Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.

Stone: another difficult element. There are those, counted amongst the Godly, who would have it that Stone and Rock are the same things. The argument against is that Rocks are for standing on, issuing forth water and burning offerings, whereas stones are for stoning and obtaining brass. The debate continues, but for the time being they are separate. We hope the research will help here.

Brimstone was at one time considered to be a Fire Element – we have found cold Brimstone, so clearly this element is now in the right place.

The Exodus Groups I and II:
This is composed of 2 sets of element, the first group being used for minor offerings and basic temple and basic female decoration. The second group, being for favored temple, favored female and royal decoration and hence unsuitable for the Unsaved™

Ligure: although we have only been able to find one very small example of this element, we are pleased to announce that it seems to fit well with the others of that group.

The Later Group:
These have been found to be a mixed lot and their properties are diverse – they will become a feature of the study when the Republicans win.

The Air and Fire Groups
The Landover Baptist University for the Saved is pretty confident about these. Incense was a problem because it is cold, but the argument is that it is only incense when it is burned, before that it isn’t.

The Water Group:
Bdellium needs further research. It seems trees bring up Bdellium from the bowels of the earth, we have found no demonic influence in it, other than it is very difficult to remove from garments and raiment.

Wine is the result of water and Divine Intervention. We have considered seeing if it is possible to turn wine back into water but were strongly rebuked by Pastor Deacon Fred who made it clear that any attempt would be blasphemous.

Pearl and Coral are supposed to be very hard water like ice but with a greater concentration of Fire so that they do not melt.

Snow Water is distinguished from ordinary water by its surfactant properties, Job:9:30: If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean; Ladies of Landover can benefit by this scientific research.
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This is an excellent and balanced article Brother Bathfire. I sincerely doubt any secularist will be able to disprove it.
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The Landover Baptist University for the Saved has received an offer of a $1.5Million grant from the DOF to research into a True™ Periodic Table. The offer is conditional upon a Republican victory, so we are entirely confident and are spending the money prudently and wisely.

As no further research work will take place until after November, the following is thus to be considered a work in progress. All the more so, as it has not yet been peer reviewed. Suggestions, amendments, additions are welcome.

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The Genesis Group
This is mainly concerned with the basic elements.
Brass: There is what I believe to be an errant group of researchers, who would have it that Brass can be transmuted to Copper and another, as yet unnamed, element. However, this is clearly abject rubbish as it is stated in Job:28:2: Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.

Stone: another difficult element. There are those, counted amongst the Godly, who would have it that Stone and Rock are the same things. The argument against is that Rocks are for standing on, issuing forth water and burning offerings, whereas stones are for stoning and obtaining brass. The debate continues, but for the time being they are separate. We hope the research will help here.

Brimstone was at one time considered to be a Fire Element – we have found cold Brimstone, so clearly this element is now in the right place.
Has any explanation yet been found for the singular properties of iron chariots, as detailed in Judges 1:19?
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Has any explanation yet been found for the singular properties of iron chariots, as detailed in Judges 1:19?
J'g:1:18: Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.
J'g:1:19: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

I firstly will admit that my historical and military knowledge is not all it should be, my speciality lies in Godly scientific matters. All I can scientifically add is the iron is 9.2 times heavier than gopher-wood per cubic cubit.

Nevertheless, as Faith in the Word of God has never prevented me from forming a Godly theory:

(I see a possibility that a reading of the above might suggest that the Lord was with Judah when he went to the mountains but Judah was on his own when he went to the valley. However, Judah was doing God’s Work and could reasonably have expected some support.)

Usually, chariots do not provide much trouble to the Lord (e.g. the Red Sea episode) so why should they here?

The answer may lie in the method used for fighting chariots on the battlefield. You would fight them with other chariots and, should the enemy break through in numbers, as they neared the lines, the infantry would then take over.

The normal chariot was constructed of light wood for speed and manoeuvrability. This would be useful on most ground. The disadvantage was that it was susceptible to damage, particularly around the areas of the axel and wheels. Once so damaged, the charioteer was a dead man. Thus this was the part of the chariot that Judah’s charioteers would concentrate upon. Heavy blows to the wheels, poles of gopher-wood stuck through the spokes, burning arrows, and the classic wheel to wheel stuff, etc.

However, we are now looking at the enemy possessing chariots of iron. Now the enemy is down in the valley – on flat ground. The valley is narrow (most valleys are) so the question of manoeuvrability and the speed of the horses isn’t so critical. But the weight of the chariots still remains critical – a horse has only so much energy, so there is a question of how far and how long an iron chariot can be pulled.

Judah sends his charioteers forwards. Traditionally they would trot for the most of the way and then charge when the two sides of chariots were within, say ¼ mile of each other. The idea is to draw the chariots of the valley people. The people of the valley wait… Judah’s chariots move nearer… they are now at that point between the enemy and their own ranks where retreat is not an option. Judah does not understand why the enemy’s chariots have not advanced and charged. There is a small diversionary attack to Judah’s left flank. As Judah deals with this, his chariots have now moved too close and the chariots of the valley begin their charge.

Judah’s chariots respond but all their swiftness is of no effect, they bounce off the enemy’s chariots in pieces. Judah’s charioteers are destroyed as the infantry of the people of the valley charges.

At this stage, all Judah can do is wait for the arrival of the enemy chariots; chariots that are impervious to the skill of the infantry.

The losses are too great, Judah retreats.

The question is why did God not intervene. Look a little further down the verses:

J'g:1:27: Neither did Manasseh drive out the inhabitants of Beth-shean and her towns, nor Taanach and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Dor and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Ibleam and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Megiddo and her towns: but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.
J'g:1:28: And it came to pass, when Israel was strong, that they put the Canaanites to tribute, and did not utterly drive them out.
J'g:1:29: Neither did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer; but the Canaanites dwelt in Gezer among them.
J'g:1:30: Neither did Zebulun drive out the inhabitants of Kitron, nor the inhabitants of Nahalol; but the Canaanites dwelt among them, and became tributaries.
J'g:1:31: Neither did Asher drive out the inhabitants of Accho, nor the inhabitants of Zidon, nor of Ahlab, nor of Achzib, nor of Helbah, nor of Aphik, nor of Rehob:

We see that the Lord of Hosts was with Manasseh, Ephraim, Zebulun, and Asher yet they did not drive out the various people.

In His Wisdom and Mercy, The Lord had called time on the slaying, which had pleased Him greatly, and had decided tribute was the thing. The question of the iron chariots had therefore caused the Lord to change the battle plan.

Why did He not just organize a slaughter and then continue with the new plan? Well, that’s like asking why He didn’t start the battle with air-strikes and heavy artillery – the Lord keeps to the methods of the time and an earthquake, flood or fire would have caught Judah and his men and a plague is a bit slow.

Thank you for exercising my gray matter – I have been talking with Mrs Bathfire for most of the day about the evils of selling doves and this was a pleasant interlude.
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Has any explanation yet been found for the singular properties of iron chariots, as detailed in Judges 1:19?
An excellent question, given that it would appear from the text that God could not drive out the lowlanders who had chariots of iron:

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19

However, it is very clear that God could drive out iron charioteers when he chose to do so:

And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred chariots of iron.... And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet. Judges 4:13-16

What are we to make of this seeming discrepancy? The answer, I believe, comes in a closer reading of Judges 1:19. The "he" referred to there was obviously Judah, not God. So, although God was with Judah, and helped Judah to drive out the mountain men, God chose not to help Judah drive out the valley residents, as Brother Bathfire has so eloquently stated.

I believe God did this to show the Jews that they were nothing without Him. Unfortunately, the Jews back then, just like the Jews today, often turned away from God's message of hope in their singleminded quest for world domination. So, even after this warning, the Jews turned to idol worship, and God was so frustrated that He sold the whole lot of them into slavery in Judges 2:14. Even that didn't straighten the Jews out, so, despite constantly raising Judges to redeem them from slavery, God had to sell them again in Judges 4:2, Judges 3:8, and Judges 10:7.

This leaves open the question of how God discomfited the iron chariots in Judges 4. This is just speculation on my part, and not Bible truth or Landover doctrine, but I suspect that God built Himself a giant electromagnet.
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Bless you, Brothers Ezekiel and Ahimaaz. I copied your posts here into the discussion of Judges 1-3 in the Bible in a Year forum, so that they will become part of the commentary.
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Brother Bathfire, this Periodic Table of the Elements is a mighty work. Truly the Templeton Prize is as good as yours.

I might note that Salt (Genesis 19:26) could be elemental; or it could be a compound of nitre and lightning. I am not sure.

I confess that Manna (Exodus 16:15) is a mystery to me. It is compared with Bdellium, but the Hebrew word literally means "what [in G*d's name] is it?", so even the Patriarchs were confused by the substance. Scholars say it may have been tamarisk sap or lichen, and therefore a plant substance and not elemental.

Joy fills my soul when I look at the Christian Table of the Elements. I am certain that this is the greatest scientific advance since Michelson and Morley discovered the aether. Bless you, Sir, may God bless you.

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I am sure that with science of this quality, the formal review by a Landover Pastor will proceed without a hitch.

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I have a few points for you to consider: Nitre appears in Jeremaiah 2:22 as well as in Proverbs. Jeremiah 2:22 also introduces the element soap (which is not the same as the animal product soap, which was only invented 1,000 or more years later); we see this used again in Malachi 3:2, Job 9:30 and 22:30, and Isaiah 1:25. Isaiah 1:25 introduces dross and tin, and Isaiah 27:9 brings us chalkstones (known today as limestone). Ezekiel 27:17 adds Pannag and balm, though perhaps those are best viewed as agricultural products and not as elements, much like we would probably not view a man's "seed of copulation" (Leviticus 15:16) as an element.

Perhaps the most intriguing Biblical element is (in Hebrew) ךופ , translated variously as "fair colors" (Isaiah 54:11), "painting" (Jeremaiah 4:30), and "precious stones" (1 Chronicles 29:2).
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I might note that Salt (Genesis 19:26) could be elemental; or it could be a compound of nitre and lightning. I am not sure.
Well, in just that verse..
The Bible clearly states that salt can be created from humans.
And we all know that our human bodies are, chemically, made up of dust. (Genesis 2:7)

Thus, salt should logically be a compound of dust (Which would also explain the dust-like appearance of salt) and something else.
What that something else is exactly though, that is something we should be looking into further I think.
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Pastor Billy-Reubin, Brothers One Eyed Jack, Temperance, Salvation Seeker, Bobby-Joe and Smith! I must thank you on so many levels – your comments are the greatest reward in themselves.

Brother Salvation Seeker mentions the possibility of Salt being an element but then adds a caveat. Remarkably, the caveat is same one that the late Pastor Gideon Malachi (1787 – 1887) addressed in his Seminal work, “With out Without Salt?” (Vol 2 pp3462 -3569 - LBC Press 1838). Brother Salvation Seeker will be pleased to hear that his conclusions are the same as the good Pastor. Salt will appear in the final table if the nitre/lightning mix (Thanks OEJ) can be ruled out.

We here at Landover Baptist University for the Saved have long held that tin is merely a form of iron. However, the verse provided will serve to renew a more detailed look at its properties. As you know, we subject any potential candidate for inclusion in the Table to every verse of the Bible, and are then tested upon 3 Godly animals and 3 ungodly ones, thus the process is long. By newly introduced methods, Soap will be included in the same test to save valuable time

Dross is a complete oversight – I have before me a piece of dross, forced out the sweaty hands of a Red Sea Pedestrian in the Holy Land – and why it is not included, I have no idea. Papers from 1904 show that testing had been done on it here at Landover! Whether it should be categorized as Earth or Water is another matter. The argument for Earth is pretty strong - it looks like Earth. Against, it also looks like someone poured it all over the place and it set, so it might be Water with an absence of Fire. I include a picture.
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As you know, we subject any potential candidate for inclusion in the Table to every verse of the Bible, and are then tested upon 3 Godly animals and 3 ungodly ones, thus the process is long. By newly introduced methods, Soap will be included in the same test to save valuable time
Excellent, always good to know that we are following the strictest scientific method in these things.

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You can hardly be expected to complete the entire periodic table in a preliminary manuscript! My advice is to persevere, and I am sure that God will inspire you to the fruition of this magnificent project.

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Interesting. Dross is a particularly puzzling element to me, since Proverbs 26:23 presents us with a variant, "silver dross." Is this just an isotope of dross? A separate element entirely? An alloy perhaps? Puzzling questions, indeed, especially for someone like me, who has studied very little Biblical chemistry (though your post has inspired me to crack open the KJV1611 and brush up on the subject).

And don't get me started on the subject of whitewash (Ezekiel 13:11).
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Glory, this is an area where I truly shine. The Lord has blessed us with this grant, thanks to George W. Bush's unwavering support for the Godly Sciences. Personally I will be doing a great deal of research into the structure of iron chariots and why they are indestructible, and, if all goes well, I will present a patent to the United States Armed Forces for my 21st century chariot that will usher in victory in Iran!
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Brother Ezekiel, I wonder if Shittim wouldn't fit into your periodic table somewhere.
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Are you saying the Bible is out of date, friend? If so, why hasn't God written another one?
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Are you saying the Bible is out of date, friend? If so, why hasn't God written another one?
Well said, sister.
There's just no way he could ever argue against such logic.
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Interesting. Dross is a particularly puzzling element to me, since Proverbs 26:23 presents us with a variant, "silver dross." Is this just an isotope of dross? A separate element entirely? An alloy perhaps? Puzzling questions, indeed, especially for someone like me, who has studied very little Biblical chemistry (though your post has inspired me to crack open the KJV1611 and brush up on the subject).
The example pictured earlier is copper dross – it is what is left when you boil out all the goodness of copper – sliver dross is just the same – you boil the silver out and you’re left with dross. You can boil dross all day, and you’re just left with dross. As it has been tested already (see earlier) I subjected it to smiting – nothing much happens, except bits fly everywhere, so it’s an element.

Eze:13:11: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

I assume that when you refer to “ whitewash” (the common name), you refer untempered mortar (scientific name). Unfortunately, the secret of untempering mortar has been lost (I recall having it in my pocket when I went to the car this morning.)

Morter is slime, probably with Rock in it: Ge:11:3: And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

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Brother Ezekiel, I wonder if Shittim wouldn't fit into your periodic table somewhere.
Most interesting, but I’m afraid that is not possible. As I understand it Shittim means “of the Shitt” (or it may just be “Shitts”) So it is wood of the shitts.

As it happens I have just unloaded what felt like a cubic cubit of Shitt and I can tell you that it was a relief when I had finished!
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You can boil dross all day, and you’re just left with dross.
See, already your table has explained one of the great mysteries of the ages! I can only imagine the wonders that will result as you and Dr. Ville collaborate on further investigations.
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Ah, Brother Smith, I knew there was something I wished to ask you with your language skills and all -
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Perhaps the most intriguing Biblical element is (in Hebrew) ךופ , translated variously as "fair colors" (Isaiah 54:11), "painting" (Jeremaiah 4:30), and "precious stones" (1 Chronicles 29:2).
Could you give a phonetic pronunciation of the squiggles? I've a feeling it may help.
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Are you seriously claiming that rocks are archaic and out-of-date? At what point did iron cease to be relevant to the modern world?
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O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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