Before Christianity and its Spread

[PrayerIsFun]

Did everyone automatically go to hell before there was a hell to go to? Europeans (your ancestors) were Pagans long before the Romans forced them to take up Christianity and even longer before the King James was translated. Does this mean your damned because of your heathen ancestors?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Did everyone automatically go to hell before there was a hell to go to? Europeans (your ancestors) were Pagans long before the Romans forced them to take up Christianity and even longer before the King James was translated. Does this mean your damned because of your heathen ancestors?

You make the basic error of ignoring Genesis. In the Beginning God Created the Earth... Thus God has been the one God for since Creation, 6,000 years ago; thus there was no "Before God".

God does slaughter worshippers of false gods (quite rightly) and Commands us not to worship them. If you go against His Commandments, Hell is your destination.

I hope this answers your question.

[PrayerIsFun]

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You make the basic error of ignoring Genesis. In the Beginning God Created the Earth... Thus God has been the one God for since Creation, 6,000 years ago; thus there was no "Before God".

God does slaughter worshippers of false gods (quite rightly) and Commands us not to worship them. If you go against His Commandments, Hell is your destination.

I hope this answers your question.

I never said "Before God". I said before the spread of Christianity and before Jesus.

[Talitha]

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I never said "Before God". I said before the spread of Christianity and before Jesus.

Jesus is God.

Even I know that.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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The first mention of Hell in the Bible is in

De:32:19: And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
[…]
De:32:22: For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

However, from the context, it is clear that Hell was always there but not everyone went down to Hell. Admission was by the Grace and Favor of The Lord.

When God appeared as Jesus, He agreed a new set of guidelines for Salvation™.

Pagans clearly went to Hell, but I see nothing to say that those who are Saved™ are affected by their ancestors. As it happens, every Bathfire ever known has been a True Christian™

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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Did everyone automatically go to hell before there was a hell to go to? Europeans (your ancestors) were Pagans long before the Romans forced them to take up Christianity and even longer before the King James was translated. Does this mean your damned because of your heathen ancestors?

Son, you seem to be convinced that God was sitting around with the phone off the hook for 4,000 years before deciding to do something about the problems around here. Nothing could be further from the truth if you bothered to read your Bible (KKJV1611). God started out by punishing Adam and Eve for the original sin of disobedience by driving them from the Garden of Eden. Next followed a whole string of righteous punishment in an attempt to garner some attention; a massive flood, wars of mass slaughter, pestilence, and famine followed as well. The last straw was sending His own Son, Jesus, to finally set things straight. There never were any "excuses", and there certainly aren't any now.

[JennyD]

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Wait, Christianity has a spread?

Is it a mayonnaise-type thing, or more like margarine? Or is it a sweet jam or marmalade?

I just can't imagine what sort of spread would best represent Jesus!

[PrayerIsFun]

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Son, you seem to be convinced that God was sitting around with the phone off the hook for 4,000 years before deciding to do something about the problems around here. Nothing could be further from the truth if you bothered to read your Bible (KKJV1611). God started out by punishing Adam and Eve for the original sin of disobedience by driving them from the Garden of Eden. Next followed a whole string of righteous punishment in an attempt to garner some attention; a massive flood, wars of mass slaughter, pestilence, and famine followed as well. The last straw was sending His own Son, Jesus, to finally set things straight. There never were any "excuses", and there certainly aren't any now.

Why did God wait until the period of Jesus to cause the creation of the Bible? Once other pagan religions started sprouting up why didn''t God set them straight?

And also, you say God sent his son Jesus to Earth to set the people straight. That's how I understand it too, but other True Christian's TM are saying God and Jesus are one in the same. Doesn't the Bible specifically say God's son was Jesus? I'm just confused by this matter.

[PrayerIsFun]

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Wait, Christianity has a spread?

Is it a mayonnaise-type thing, or more like margarine? Or is it a sweet jam or marmalade?

I just can't imagine what sort of spread would best represent Jesus!

By spread I don't mean like a sandwich dressing, silly. I mean like how Christianity grew across the world. But if Christianity was a spread in your sense of the word I would say it's more like a lemon sauce. It is quite good but can turn bitter when followed improperly.

[JennyD]

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By spread I don't mean like a sandwich dressing, silly. I mean like how Christianity grew across the world. But if Christianity was a spread in your sense of the word I would say it's more like a lemon sauce. It is quite good but can turn bitter when followed improperly.

Why would you follow a lemon sauce? Are you some sort of a pervert?

I think maybe I should call security.

[PrayerIsFun]

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Why would you follow a lemon sauce? Are you some sort of a pervert?

I think maybe I should call security.

Silly woman, leave the historical teaching to the men. I'm looking for historical guidance, not cooking guidance.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Silly woman, leave the historical teaching to the men. I'm looking for historical guidance, not cooking guidance.

Listen boy; You WILL NOT speak to ANY True Christian(tm), be they male or female, in that manner again.

As a wad of unsaved scum, there is nothing lower than you. Now apologize to sister Jenny.

Now.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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I just can't imagine what sort of spread would best represent Jesus!

The sort you spread with a tractor and honey wagon

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Why did God wait until the period of Jesus to cause the creation of the Bible? Once other pagan religions started sprouting up why didn''t God set them straight?

You mean that the righteous genocide that God routinely ordered against the heathens in Old Testament times wasn't enough? If they didn't get the hint from that, then I somehow rather doubt that a politely worded letter would have worked.

And also, you say God sent his son Jesus to Earth to set the people straight. That's how I understand it too, but other True Christian's TM are saying God and Jesus are one in the same. Doesn't the Bible specifically say God's son was Jesus? I'm just confused by this matter.

Yes, you certainly are confused. The Bible clearly teaches the Trinity:

John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

It's even mentioned, although less explicitly, in the Old Testament:

Genesis 1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So you see? Jesus is God's Son and is also God. In sending Jesus to die on the Cross for our sins, God temporarily sacrificed Himself to Himself to give Himself permission to avert His own wrath.

[PrayerIsFun]

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Listen boy; You WILL NOT speak to ANY True Christian™, be they male or female, in that manner again.

As a wad of unsaved scum, there is nothing lower than you. Now apologize to sister Jenny.

Now.

Jenny baby you know I love you

Yes, you certainly are confused. The Bible clearly teaches the Trinity:

John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

It's even mentioned, although less explicitly, in the Old Testament:

Genesis 1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So you see? Jesus is God's Son and is also God. In sending Jesus to die on the Cross for our sins, God temporarily sacrificed Himself to Himself to give Himself permission to avert His own wrath.

I'm just strictly interpreting the verses in the way a child would. I'm reading it as though God made man in his likeness (similar but not equal to God) and that Jesus' words were those of God (Jesus may have spoke the words God told him too but God and Jesus are not one in the same). God and his word are one in the same, not God and Jesus. Interpreting the Word from John as being Jesus is a far stretch. Jesus was a prophet God used to spread the true faith. Jesus was not God. That's what the verses say.