[SalvationSeeker]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I have searched this thread, well a little more like skimmed, and have yet to see this question. What is the rapist refuses to marry the woman? The woman wanting to be saved will marry him, but the man refuses.

Then he must be 'persuaded' with some tough love, obviously.
Seeing as God commanded that "he may not put her away all his days" - He doesn't have a right to refuse.
If impossibe to persuade however; I'd say he would be treated like any other rapist and put to death.

[Anna May]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I have searched this thread, well a little more like skimmed, and have yet to see this question. What is the rapist refuses to marry the woman? The woman wanting to be saved will marry him, but the man refuses.

[see_the_light]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I define rape, you mooron, as a man forcing an unwilling woman to have sex with him against her will.

And I am already happily married to a heathen like me, a decent man who sees rape as what it truly is, a crime which is right up there with murder.


Unless you yourself are raped, you are in no position to pass judgement. But then again, you probably force yourself onto your inflatable doll every night, so if that poor doll could talk....

So with such strong judgement on rape, you have been raped?

And are you happily married to your heathen rapist or did you also sin on this one?

Or is it that you're not sure if you were willing?

Do explain...

PRAISE THE LORD!

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

I don't see how you can think that any rule God imposes is morally wrong. There is no morality without God!

At least you agree that homosexuality is horribly wrong, even if you are suspect for using pink letters to say it. That's some progress. I'll ask the Lord to send his Spirit unto you so that you will see the Bible the way we do at Landover.

What about Lot? He was raped by his daughters. Both of them!

Excellent question, Brother Temperance. Since Lot's wife was dead at the time, Leviticus 20:14 would not apply--how could it, when there is no way to burn a pillar of salt with fire? Nevertheless, Lot was partly responsible for a very serious sin--if he couldn't keep his tallywhacker in his robes, he should not have gotten drunk when he was anywhere near his two horny, lissom, and supple teenaged daughters.

Since paying himself 100 shekels would obviously not have been a penalty, God chose to inflict a different punishment on Lot for this crime. He caused Lot's children/grandchildren by his daughters to be the founders of two great nations, the Moabites and the Ammonites. God then refused to allow Lot's descendants into the congregation of the Lord:

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever.... Deuteronomy 23:3

In other words, evey single one of Lot's descendants for 10 generations burned in Hell. This is much like our current practice at Landover of exiling young men who have sinned.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

Let me correct you statement; "nowadays people don't stone others to death because of Satan inspired secular laws that good people are forced to obey". One day soon friend, like after Mike Huckabee is anointed President by Jesus, these evil laws will be repealed and justice will be done.

A good person always looks forward to justice.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Do you realize you conflicted yourself a bit in saying that? O.o First you say if a man is raped that he should be stoned, but then you say it isn't fair to punish a man 'for something they got tricked into doing.' Then the man who was raped shouldn't be punished if you follow that logic. To quote a friend of mine, this hypothetical man didn't jump around and say 'rape me!' He didn't have a choice.

Why was your friend yammering about trying to rape a hypothetical man in the first place?

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

God is never out of date!

If it's not the father, then the family member would marry the girl and pay the father 50 silver shekels. If it's the father, I'm not so sure, I'd have to ask one of the Deacons. I think that, by analogy to Leviticus 20:14, the father and the daughter shall be burnt with fire, along with the girl's mother:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14

What about Lot? He was raped by his daughters. Both of them!

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

Yes, because Jesus gave us the electric chair!

[Pastafarian]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

What kind of man would let another man rape him? Women are weak and can't defend themselves, but that's not true for men. Anyway, if God didn't want us to kill every man who slept with another man, regardless of circumstances, he would have said so.



First, let me state unequivocally that incest is wrong: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. Leviticus 18:6 Nevertheless, if it happens, we need to make the best of a bad situation:

If it's not the father, then the family member would marry the girl and pay the father 50 silver shekels. If it's the father, I'm not so sure, I'd have to ask one of the Deacons. I think that, by analogy to Leviticus 20:14, the father and the daughter shall be burnt with fire, along with the girl's mother:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14



You don't sound stupid at all. And you don't ever need to apologize for wanting to understand the Bible.



I would do whatever God asked me to do. So, yes. How can these things be wrong if they are God's will? That's just illogical.

As for whether they are outdated, are you saying that it was OK to stone a homer 3,000 years ago but it isn't OK to do it today?

It is true, you don't see us all throwing stones. We would have to be real idiots to throw stones while you were watching.

Of course i dont think it was right; but it was more widely believed to be right. Nowadays people dont stone others to death <.<

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Do you realize you conflicted yourself a bit in saying that? O.o First you say if a man is raped that he should be stoned, but then you say it isn't fair to punish a man 'for something they got tricked into doing.' Then the man who was raped shouldn't be punished if you follow that logic. To quote a friend of mine, this hypothetical man didn't jump around and say 'rape me!' He didn't have a choice.

What kind of man would let another man rape him? Women are weak and can't defend themselves, but that's not true for men. Anyway, if God didn't want us to kill every man who slept with another man, regardless of circumstances, he would have said so.

Just to raise a point. Also, back to girls, what if the rape was from a family member, a cousin, a brother, even her own father? What then?

First, let me state unequivocally that incest is wrong: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. Leviticus 18:6 Nevertheless, if it happens, we need to make the best of a bad situation:

If it's not the father, then the family member would marry the girl and pay the father 50 silver shekels. If it's the father, I'm not so sure, I'd have to ask one of the Deacons. I think that, by analogy to Leviticus 20:14, the father and the daughter shall be burnt with fire, along with the girl's mother:

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Leviticus 20:14

I'm not trying to sound stupid or mean or anything, I just felt that these points needed to be raised. I just want to know what's right and what's not.

You don't sound stupid at all. And you don't ever need to apologize for wanting to understand the Bible.

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

I would do whatever God asked me to do. So, yes. How can these things be wrong if they are God's will? That's just illogical.

As for whether they are outdated, are you saying that it was OK to stone a homer 3,000 years ago but it isn't OK to do it today?

It is true, you don't see us all throwing stones. We would have to be real idiots to throw stones while you were watching.

[Pastafarian]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

I'm glad you cleared that up for us, Only time.



You won't even be able to save your own seat in Hell (if you get my meaning, which you probably don't), so don't bother saving one for someone like the good Sister JennyD who won't be needing one.



Because otherwise, when she gets married and her husband discovers that she is not a virgin, she will be killed:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. Deuteronomy 22:13

Making the rapist marry the poor girl is a humanitarian rule--she gets to stay alive, and her father gets compensated for the value of the property that he lost. Win-win all around, showing how merciful is Our Heavenly Father.



Praise God, then you are saved!!



That is cruel. A woman gets raped, so you take away her entire purpose in life, bearing children and keeping house for her husband? How could you even suggest such a horrible thing? Do you secretly hate women?



They are not supposed to marry. They are supposed to be stoned:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13



There is. When Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of life, women introduced sin into the world, so now women must pay. It would hardly be fair for God to punish men for something they got tricked into doing.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

So you would stone someone for these things in the same way you would enforce the marrying of a woman to her rapist? Both these things are horrifically wrong but i dont see you all throwing stones, thank god. They are clearly BOTH OUTDATED and dispicable acts.

[Cecily]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

They are not supposed to marry. They are supposed to be stoned:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13



There is. When Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of life, women introduced sin into the world, so now women must pay. It would hardly be fair for God to punish men for something they got tricked into doing.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

Do you realize you conflicted yourself a bit in saying that? O.o First you say if a man is raped that he should be stoned, but then you say it isn't fair to punish a man 'for something they got tricked into doing.' Then the man who was raped shouldn't be punished if you follow that logic. To quote a friend of mine, this hypothetical man didn't jump around and say 'rape me!' He didn't have a choice.

Just to raise a point. Also, back to girls, what if the rape was from a family member, a cousin, a brother, even her own father? What then?

I'm not trying to sound stupid or mean or anything, I just felt that these points needed to be raised. I just want to know what's right and what's not.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Sorry, rape is wrong.

I'm glad you cleared that up for us, Only time.

i'll save you a seat in hell

You won't even be able to save your own seat in Hell (if you get my meaning, which you probably don't), so don't bother saving one for someone like the good Sister JennyD who won't be needing one.

I'm sorry, but this seems wrong to me. Rape is indeed an evil thing, so why force the woman to live with it?

Because otherwise, when she gets married and her husband discovers that she is not a virgin, she will be killed:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. Deuteronomy 22:13

Making the rapist marry the poor girl is a humanitarian rule--she gets to stay alive, and her father gets compensated for the value of the property that he lost. Win-win all around, showing how merciful is Our Heavenly Father.

I obviously cannot argue with the Bible,

Praise God, then you are saved!!

Why not allow her to live without ever marrying instead, using her as an example?

That is cruel. A woman gets raped, so you take away her entire purpose in life, bearing children and keeping house for her husband? How could you even suggest such a horrible thing? Do you secretly hate women?

And what of male rape? As disgusting and vulgar as it is, what if a young man or boy is raped by another man? Are they supposed to marry?

They are not supposed to marry. They are supposed to be stoned:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

Why say 'females do this, males do that'? It just confuses me, and I don't know what the answer is. Surely there must be something I'm missing here.

There is. When Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of life, women introduced sin into the world, so now women must pay. It would hardly be fair for God to punish men for something they got tricked into doing.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

[Cecily]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This passage cannot be more clear, and it is one many women seem to ignore, and they shall burn in Hell for it!

A rape victim MUST marry her rapist, and the rape victim's father must be compensated for depreciation of his property.

Seems a fair trade, given that the woman would be soiled goods. What kind of real man would want to marry a rape victim anyways? It is disgusting.

I'm sorry, but this seems wrong to me. Rape is indeed an evil thing, so why force the woman to live with it? I obviously cannot argue with the Bible, but it still seems wrong that she should have to marry her rapist. Why not allow her to live without ever marrying instead, using her as an example?

And what of male rape? As disgusting and vulgar as it is, what if a young man or boy is raped by another man? Are they supposed to marry? Why say 'females do this, males do that'? It just confuses me, and I don't know what the answer is. Surely there must be something I'm missing here.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Can she insert an IUD into her body, Father Martin?

Is that not what the foreign terrorists in Iraq are using to blow up our Godly troops? Why on earth would any woman want to stick one of those up there?

though i doubt the little boys you "teach" can't wait to see you and those soft silky hands of yours.

Are you saying that they can wait to see her? That's not much of a statement. But then again, since you're not a Born-Again Fundamentalist Christian, you're not much of a human being, so no surprise there.

[Only time will tell]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

You sick monster!

Who told you that it was OK to rape little girls?!

Have you been reading that Koran again, and taking after Mohammed, who married a 6-year-old and deflowered her at the ripe old age of NINE?!

What disgusting perversions you bring to God's Favorite Forum!

i didn't bring it here.
i'm just getting some clarification.

though i doubt the little boys you "teach" can't wait to see you and those soft silky hands of yours.

i'll save you a seat in hell

[JennyD]

Re: DEUTERONOMY 22:28 If a woman is raped, she MUST marry her rap

Sorry, rape is wrong.

i doubt happened so you could lull yourself to sleep at night thinking it was ok to rape little girls.

You sick monster!

Who told you that it was OK to rape little girls?!

Have you been reading that Koran again, and taking after Mohammed, who married a 6-year-old and deflowered her at the ripe old age of NINE?!

What disgusting perversions you bring to God's Favorite Forum!