[Brother Scott]

Re: Disturbing Bible passage

I did; in my younger days. I live a quiet, moral life and then found out that God was supposedly speaking to half of the people of the world so I searched for faith for years, went to church, kept "good" company, prayed and gave it my honest, sincerest effort. I begged to know what half of the world seemed to know. Then i got older, my world got bigger and i studied philosophy, religion and science. Now I look back on that time in the same way as i was a kid letting go of the idea of Santa Clause.

At what point did you admit to your family that you were into satan worship and that you were than likely gay?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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At what point did you admit to your family that you were into satan worship and that you were than likely gay?

Scott, we are trying to help this young man find Jesus, not insult him.

I'm certain that he, like most atheists, has no idea that he is worshipping Satan.

[Dirtscooter]

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This is typical of the lazy and cowardly God-hating atheist. To flip through the Bible, find a verse that he couldn't possibly understand, ignore context and simplify what is not so simple.

Your idiot friend refers to Judges 11. Let's have a look at what Scripture actually says.



The joo makes an unsolicited "vow" with God. The Lord never asked for one.



Notice the bold. He didn't say "whomsoever" or "them". He was clearly referring to the goat or sheep that often frequented the courtyards of homes.



God surely could have planned to do this without any "vow" or "deal". Neither here or in the rest of the chapter does God ask Jephthah to kill anything.




Here the joo realizes his folly. He never expected his daughter to be the first that he saw. But it is HIS intention to "go through with it". God is not asking him to kill his daughter.



Perhaps she would not have been sacrificed had she not ASKED to be?



And the joo killed her anyway, even after two months to think it over. Do you think God would have waited two months for blood without a reminder? Of course not.

This is just an illustration of the dangers of the psychopathic joos. Is it any wonder that the hebes would murder Jesus Christ when they so casually murder their own children?

In Jesus.

It may be that it is considered a technicality here, but Jephthah was not of the Southern Tribe of Judah, but rather a son of Manasseh. For whatever it's worth.

[Levi Jones]

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It may be that it is considered a technicality here, but Jephthah was not of the Southern Tribe of Judah, but rather a son of Manasseh. For whatever it's worth.

That is very interesting to me. Tell us more about the Judges.

Bonus points for a nice timeline and quick summary!

[AngelClark]

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Hello Pastor, I want to thank you for your message and I will do my best to show that it was not misgiven. When my daughter saw your message she was so excited for me, She has tried for years to get me to come on here and speak with others on here, She says that she can't join because she is too young to be on here.
Do you have a children's forum?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

I'm sure your "atheist buddy" has problems understanding that a vow is vow (I'm only guessing here, of course, since I don't have any "atheist buddies" myself). You don't go back on your promise to God, that's how simple it is:

Judges 11:35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.

The rules are explained in Leviticus 27:

Leviticus 27:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Leviticus 27:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation.

You can read the chapter yourself and go through the price list, but the pertinent verse is this one:

Leviticus 27:29 None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed; but shall surely be put to death.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

Punished? What for? For keeping his promise to God?

As my True Christian™ brothers have explained to you, you're refering to Jephthah from Judges 11. I know your "atheist buddy" will spew out some mind-rotting pablum, like "sure, but that was the Old Testament". Well, let's look at the New Testament instead, and see what Jesus says, shall we?

Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

That's what True Christianity® is all about: Faith, righteousness and promise keeping. Tell that to your "atheist buddy".

[BaronOB]

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God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

It is difficult to believe that God helped him, maybe Satan, because it is well-known that killing is prohibited in the Holy Bible.

Exodus 20:13, KJV, Thou shalt not kill.

[lilith]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

Not so much 'god' who likes sacrifices,more the benighted & bloodthirsty blokes who wrote this. Very keen on sacrifice & blind obedience,that lot.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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It is difficult to believe that God helped him, maybe Satan, because it is well-known that killing is prohibited in the Holy Bible.

Exodus 20:13, KJV, Thou shalt not kill.

Why do you mock God?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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It is difficult to believe that God helped him, maybe Satan, because it is well-known that killing is prohibited in the Holy Bible.

Exodus 20:13, KJV, Thou shalt not kill.

We need to let Scripture interpret Scripture. God gave that commandment, but He also commanded killing, e.g., in the holy genocides and the holy capital punishment. More is explained in this sermon.

[BaronOB]

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We need to let Scripture interpret Scripture. God gave that commandment, but He also commanded killing, e.g., in the holy genocides and the holy capital punishment. More is explained in this sermon.

Thanks Pastor for your explanation, I have read your Sermons, the contain is really different from preaching of my maybe too liberal priests.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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Thank you Prune for clearing that up for anyone concerned about that situation. I agree, the scripture says that Jepthah was a righteous man, and he fulfilled his vow unto the Lord. Praise Jesus!
Jepthah is a shinin' example of how True-Christians are to fulfill their promises to God no matter what the demon hordes of hell say through the mouths of atheists!

Psalm
50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:


Remember, the Lord delights in fleshly sacrifices!

Deuteronomy
12:27 And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

[Gabriel Reproba]

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And don't be fooled by all the liberal NIV-reading false Christians who try and twist the plain meaning of these words. Many of them try to argue that he never killed his daughter at all. i am serious. They focus on the following:

38: And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39: And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

These LIEberal Christians argue, "She just returned after being banished for two months. THAT was him fulfilling his vow. It even says that she "knew no man." Why would it say that if he HADN'T let her live? We were already told she went to the caves in the mountains as a virgin. If he killed her when she came back, she would still be a virgin so there would be no need to repeat that which the Bible JUST told us. So God is telling us that she stayed virgin for the rest of her life!!!"

They even argue that the spinsterhood of the daughter to old age was the "custom in Isreal" that the Bible speaks of! I am NOT making this up. They really do rationalize their weak-willed pinko feelings this way. I am suprised they don't end their reasoning with "Yeah...that's the ticket!" Read the words of God. Don't think about them. Don't try to twist them into some weird shape to fit your own morals.

It is this simple: As soon as you start thinking about whether or not God (or a man acting with the blessings of God) did a good or bad thing, you are letting morals that you learned from somewhere OUTSIDE the Bible to change your reading of the morals INSIDE the Bible. That is NOT how to be a True Christian!