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  • Rachael Van Helsing
    HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
    • Sep 2006
    • 5131

    #1

    How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

    I was thinking about earlier points I have made on this forum and one in particular came to mind:

    From the following passage in Genesis:

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Now it sounds like there is not just one deity mentioned there but an entire team. In which case that implies more than one god. In which case, how many are there? How many gods do you worship? Indeed, it does seem that the bible starts off as polytheist and later changes to monotheist. For early in the bible, the god you worship is referred to as a god, not the only god.
    This only changes later.

    So what is your explanation, bible thumpers? Are the other deities meant to have merged with the one you worship or something?

    And further here:

    Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    Again the cryptic referral to the mysterious 'us'.
    Well?
    Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 03-20-2007, 10:57 PM.
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  • Bobby-Joe
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    • Sep 2006
    • 18405

    #2
    Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

    Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
    Again the cryptic referral to the mysterious 'us'.
    Well?
    "Us" is The Trinity Rachael. As the Bible shows all other gods are false.

    What other nonsense are you going to drag in here? Asherah was God's wife or something equally silly?

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    • Darren Ingram-Myers
      Liebral Girlie-Man
      • Nov 2006
      • 163

      #3
      Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

      Those passages refer to the Holy Trinity (which some feminist theologians like to conceptualize as a non-hierarchical collective).
      The Bible, when correctly interpreted, tells us to love everyone.

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      • Rachael Van Helsing
        HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
        • Sep 2006
        • 5131

        #4
        Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

        No, because the 'holy trinity' is meant to be all different components of the one being. And then there were the 'sons of god', who coupled with mortal women. This implies that the divine beings seem to have gotten some action to father those sons if you know what I mean.
        Which would have meant there were not only gods but goddesses implied.

        The early bible was polytheist. It only changed to monotheist later. Why? Because some dumbasses decided to get a bunch of manuscripts and throw 'em all together in a way that made sense to them. Hence the contradictions, and the changes.
        Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 03-20-2007, 11:25 PM.
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        • OnYourKnees
          On Extended Furlough
          True Christian™
          • Nov 2006
          • 4729

          #5
          Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

          Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
          No, because the 'holy trinity' is meant to be all different components of the one being. And then there were the 'sons of god', who coupled with mortal women. This implies that the divine beings seem to have gotten some action to father those sons if you know what I mean.
          Which would have meant there were not only gods but goddesses implied.

          The early bible was polytheist. It only changed to monotheist later. Why? Because some dumbasses decided to get a bunch of manuscripts and throw 'em all together in a way that made sense to them. Hence the contradictions, and the changes.
          OK, and your evidence is . . . <listening to the sound of silence>

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          • Rachael Van Helsing
            HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
            • Sep 2006
            • 5131

            #6
            Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

            Duhhhhhhh I don't know duhhhhhh duhhhhh what it says in the bible maybe?
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            • OnYourKnees
              On Extended Furlough
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              • Nov 2006
              • 4729

              #7
              Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

              Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
              Duhhhhhhh I don't know duhhhhhh duhhhhh what it says in the bible maybe?
              That proves nothing other than the Trinity, silly Heathen.

              It's not like there's some great listing of gods in the Bible, where you could prove there were multiple deities.

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              • Rachael Van Helsing
                HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
                • Sep 2006
                • 5131

                #8
                Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                Lookit, in the cases where the trinity is referred to, the trinity is actually mentioned. And the trinity is meant to refer to the father, son, and holy ghost. Now in genesis that particular son had not been born yet. And the ghost? Isn't the ghost meant to be just a 'holy flame'?

                It does not mention the trinity. And the serpent in genesis mentioned 'ye shall become as gods', shortly followed by the eating of the fruit and 'behold the man has become AS ONE OF US'.

                And not to mention, if the trinity is meant to be one and the same, then he would have said 'I will make in MY image', not ours!
                And as for the 'sons of god', there more evidence right there about the bible talking about more divine beings.
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                • Pastor Ezekiel
                  Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                   
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 78555

                  #9
                  Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                  Look VanBullPuckey, God, as has been firmly established in countless previous posts, works in mysterious ways. You are nothing but a sticky wad on unsaved scum compared to Him. You cannot question His ways. Once you accept that fact, and also realize how utterly worthless and insignificant you are, the closer you will be to the Path of Salvation&#169;.

                  Plus, God does like to refer to Himselves in the "royal we" as the brits like to say.

                  VanNobody: Hey God, who are you? blahblahblahblah, ad infinitum....

                  GOD: We are NOT amused.
                  Who Will Jesus Damn?

                  Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                  Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                  • Rachael Van Helsing
                    HEATHEN — Suspected Witch
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 5131

                    #10
                    Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                    Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                    Look VanBullPuckey, God, as has been firmly established in countless previous posts, works in mysterious ways. You are nothing but a sticky wad on unsaved scum compared to Him. You cannot question His ways. Once you accept that fact, and also realize how utterly worthless and insignificant you are, the closer you will be to the Path of Salvation©.

                    Plus, God does like to refer to Himselves in the "royal we" as the brits like to say.
                    Allow me to translate dear Zekey's post:
                    Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                    Look VanBullPuckey, whom I have chosen to give a ridiculous twist to your username hoping that you will thus be taken less seriously, 'God', as has been firmly established in countless previous posts, works in mysterious ways, by which I mean that it's impossible to understand how on Earth some parts of my religion make sense, seeing as the bible goes here, there and everywhere.

                    You are someone who irritates us dogmatic types, in that you point out obvious flaws which have the potential of bursting the already unstable bubble of my contradictory beliefs, so I choose purposeful ignorance rather than try to think for myself. I don't dare question because I'm told that hell exists and, the idea is so horrid that, even though no historical evidence supports the bible, I still don't dare think for myself, because, the idea of hell makes quiver like a bow in the hands of an archer who's had 20 espressos at once.

                    Once you accept that fact, and also realize how utterly brainwashed I am, the closer you will be to realizing the Path of what is Salvation© to me is something which I'm too terrified to even question, because I'm too scared by a contradictory, nonsensical book, and the Pastors who preach horrible stories to keep me gripped by my fear of the unknown.

                    Plus, God does like to refer to Himselves in the "royal we" as seeing that the being presented in the bible was a psychopathic homicidal nutcase, why not throw in the possibility of multiple personality disorder?
                    There. Much better.
                    Last edited by Rachael Van Helsing; 03-21-2007, 12:48 AM.
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                    • SalvationSeeker
                      True Christian™ Theologian
                      Forum Member
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 3892

                      #11
                      Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                      Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                      The early bible was polytheist.
                      You pagans say the dumbest things!
                      If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                      A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                      Proverbs 9:12-13

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                      • BornAgain
                        Former Demoncrat, moving towards the Light.
                        Forum Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 146

                        #12
                        Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                        Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                        Allow me to translate dear Zekey's post:


                        There. Much better.
                        Your arrogance and bigotry crosses the line this time, VanHaveNoMorals.

                        GOD tells us in the bible to not rely on our own understanding, as most hellbound denominations do. If GOD didn't write the bible, then would you like to tell me who did? Oh wait, you can't because you don't have any evidence GOD didn't write the bible.

                        Try again, pagan witch.
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                        • Pastor Isaac Peters
                          Senior Pastor
                          Ex-liberal; converted to True Christianity™
                          Always Biblically correct
                          True Christian™
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 10639

                          #13
                          Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                          Originally posted by Darren Ingram-Myers View Post
                          Those passages refer to the Holy Trinity (which some feminist theologians like to conceptualize as a non-hierarchical collective).
                          Then I'd like your lezbanian pastoresses to explain the following:

                          John 14:28: Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

                          Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                          Lookit, in the cases where the trinity is referred to, the trinity is actually mentioned. And the trinity is meant to refer to the father, son, and holy ghost. Now in genesis that particular son had not been born yet. And the ghost? Isn't the ghost meant to be just a 'holy flame'?

                          It does not mention the trinity. And the serpent in genesis mentioned 'ye shall become as gods', shortly followed by the eating of the fruit and 'behold the man has become AS ONE OF US'.

                          And not to mention, if the trinity is meant to be one and the same, then he would have said 'I will make in MY image', not ours!
                          And as for the 'sons of god', there more evidence right there about the bible talking about more divine beings.
                          Really, Mrs. Van Hairballs, I think you're being deliberately obtuse. If you allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, as you should, you will see that God has perfectly good reasons for referring to Himselves/Themself in the plural. For example, the Persons of the Trinity have different wills, and it is possible for one Person of the Trinity to pray to another:

                          Matthew 26:39: And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].

                          It is even possible for one Person of the Trinity to withhold information from another:

                          Mark 13:32: But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

                          Now do you see why the language from Genesis that you quoted applies to the Trinity?

                          Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                          Allow me to translate dear Zekey's post:
                          Now allow me to translate your post:

                          Zekey, whom I have chosen to give a ridiculous twist to your username hoping that you will thus be taken less seriously, I am a mere woman and an unsaved one at that, whereas you are a member of God's preferred sex and one of the Godly senior pastors at God's favorite church. Therefore, I have no hope of ever refuting your Biblically sound reasoning. Instead, I will twist your words around in order to ridicule them in a desperate attempt to express my deep hatred for Jesus and to glorify my dark lord in hell.
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                          • Brother V
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                            • Sep 2006
                            • 3481

                            #14
                            Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                            John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


                            See, US, there you go.

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                            • Brother Temperance
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                              • Sep 2006
                              • 15621

                              #15
                              Re: How many gods are there meant to be in xtianity?

                              Originally posted by Rachael Van Helsing View Post
                              Lookit, in the cases where the trinity is referred to, the trinity is actually mentioned. And the trinity is meant to refer to the father, son, and holy ghost. Now in genesis that particular son had not been born yet.
                              Just because Jesus hadn't been physically born yet, doesn't mean He didn't exist - He is eternal, after all:
                              Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
                              O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



                              God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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