[Force=ma]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Let me refresh your memory, dear.



You literally just accused her of literally touring the country with signs. I'm asking what your evidence for such an accusation is. Did you just assume it? Do you have a habit of making random accusations against people who don't think like you? Did a ghost whisper this in your ear and you assumed it was the Holy Ghost because when you hear voices you cannot imagine its cause is neurological?

Your question is hinged on a false accusation. Perhaps you'd like to restate your question so it can be answered.

Umm...when I said “you” I meant it as in “your community.” I don’t know this woman. And perhaps I am mistaken when I remember you touring the country. But, I have been around these forums and I’ve seen many people call for voilence towards others. All I menat was: how can you complain about people being rude to you, when your community actively condems violence.

[Force=ma]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Umm...when I said “you” I meant it as in “your community.” I don’t know this woman. And perhaps I am mistaken when I remember you touring the country. But, I have been around these forums and I’ve seen many people call for voilence towards others. All I menat was: how can you complain about people being rude to you, when your community actively condems violence.

And if you need proof, here
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...facts-say-yes/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...lling-catlics/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...need-spanking/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...g-left-handed/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...ring-on-earth/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...an-terrorists/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...e-homosexuals/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...g-gay-rainbow/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...015/11/20/797/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...s-or-ahteists/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...ity-the-negro/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...without-jesus/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...-ugly-a-study/
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...racist-retard/

And, more than that, you have this:

You have four KKK members chasing an African American. You constaly refer to African Americans as “nigros.” I’m am honestly suprised that you don’t support Hitler. More than this, a member of your forums, Cranky Old Man, who literally condems rape.
Please, explain to me why you don’t condemn hate...

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Umm...when I said “you” I meant it as in “your community.” I don’t know this woman. And perhaps I am mistaken when I remember you touring the country. But, I have been around these forums and I’ve seen many people call for voilence towards others. All I menat was: how can you complain about people being rude to you, when your community actively condems violence.

Did you mean condone? Perhaps you confuse us with Westboro Baptist Church. They are an inbred hill-billy family comprised of false believers, and they reject many important parts of Holy Scripture, to their own eternal detriment.

Our community actively promotes the Glory and Majesty of Christ as revealed in the Holy Bible. We have a Divinely Mandated Mission to reach as many souls across the four corners of the earth as we possibly can (Matthew 28:19-20). We do this because we are obedient, but also because we are eager to see Christ come and clean house, so to speak (Revelation 19:11-16; Revelation 14:19-20). Only when the earth has been cleansed if sin (and the only way to do that is to cleanse it of sinners, well, okay so Jesus could spontaneously render all humanity sin-free while still respecting free-will because He can literally do anything but He's not going to so there's no point in belaboring). Anyway, then New Jerusalem will come floating down (Revelation 21:2), and we True Christians™ will become rulers of New Earth (Revelation 5:10)!


Glory!





That is, if you believe the Word of God to be True. Do you?

[Force=ma]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Perhaps you confuse us with Westboro Baptist Church. They are an inbred hill-billy family comprised of false believers, and they reject many important parts of Holy Scripture, to their own eternal detriment.

It seems I might be confusing you with Westboro. My regrets.

That is, if you believe the Word of God to be True. Do you?

To answer your question, to an extent. I live in Utah. As such, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints. We are told that not all of The Bible is to be taken seriously. There are parts that are meant to be taken with a grain of salt. So, do I believe in Hell? Yes. Do I believe in God? Yes. Do I believe that God will punish all sinners? No. God loved us all so much that He gave us free will. But, He knew it would come with temptation. Which is why, in all His wisdom, God gave us a chance to repent our sins and free ourselves of Satan’s grasp.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

It seems I might be confusing you with Westboro. My regrets.


To answer your question, to an extent. I live in Utah. As such, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints. We are told that not all of The Bible is to be taken seriously. There are parts that are meant to be taken with a grain of salt. So, do I believe in Hell? Yes. Do I believe in God? Yes. Do I believe that God will punish all sinners? No. God loved us all so much that He gave us free will. But, He knew it would come with temptation. Which is why, in all His wisdom, God gave us a chance to repent our sins and free ourselves of Satan’s grasp.

How do you know which parts of the Bible were meant tongue in cheek? Why do you believe in God and Hell and Satan and Salvation if you cannot trust your source to be credible?

[Force=ma]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

How do you know which parts of the Bible were meant tongue in cheek?

That is for our Pastor to tell us and for us to judge ourselves.For one, I personally believe that most of Psalm is not to be taken seriously.

The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

God would never hate anyone, no matter who they were. I see it as a metaphore. We must be cautious of hate. Lest we become those men who “loveth violence” ourselves.

Why do you believe in God and Hell and Satan and Salvation if you cannot trust your source?

Because God has spoken to me. I was in a dark place for a time. I was addicted to a substance which I wish not to elicit. I looked for salvation in God and found it. I have been free from my addiction for seven years. I have never been healthier nor happier.
That is why I believe. Not because of The Bible, not because of my parents (I was raised atheist,) not because of word of mouth through my bishop, and not through teaching. I found salvation because I asked for it.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

That is for our Pastor to tell us and for us to judge ourselves.For one, I personally believe that most of Psalm is not to be taken seriously.

The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

God would never hate anyone, no matter who they were. I see it as a metaphore. We must be cautious of hate. Lest we become those men who “loveth violence” ourselves.

Because God has spoken to me. I was in a dark place for a time. I was addicted to a substance which I wish not to elicit. I looked for salvation in God and found it. I have been free from my addiction for seven years. I have never been healthier nor happier.
That is why I believe. Not because of The Bible, not because of my parents (I was raised atheist,) not because of word of mouth through my bishop, and not through teaching. I found salvation because I asked for it.

Salvation is not the result of any demands from us. It is a gift.

II CORINTHIANS 9 . KJV . look up
15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

[Force=ma]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Salvation is not the result of any demands from us. It is a gift.

II CORINTHIANS 9 . KJV . look up
15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

When I say “asked” I don’t mean that I demanded it. What I meant was that I asked The Lord Jesus to show me the light. To show me how to leave the place I was at and join Him in heaven.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

When I say “asked” I don’t mean that I demanded it. What I meant was that I asked The Lord Jesus to show me the light.

How do you know you were talking to Jesus?

II CORINTHIANS 11 . KJV . whole chapter
13 Such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

To show me how to leave the place I was at and join Him in heaven.

What happened to the planet Kolob? I thought you were going there to make ghost babies? Don't your apostles proclaim that? Jesus never mentions anything about Kolob which would seem to be a critical element in LDS theology setting your "apostles" quite apart from The Apostles in The Bible. Whose ministers are they really?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

That is for our Pastor to tell us and for us to judge ourselves.

How do you know your pastor is right? He could collect bellybutton flint in a jar by his bedside and believe that Jesus communicates to him through that for all you know, and you would trust him over the Word of Jesus? That's quite a career choice for a guy, isn't it? All he has to do is share his impression of what Jesus really meant to say and people have to believe him. And pay for his office space.

For one, I personally believe that most of Psalm is not to be taken seriously.

The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

God would never hate anyone, no matter who they were. I see it as a metaphore. We must be cautious of hate. Lest we become those men who “loveth violence” ourselves.

As I see this as a metaphor of prayers chasing away sin:

Because God has spoken to me.

Maybe. But how could you know when your God is known to be misleading and confusing, and leave people for thousands of years to have the wrong idea? To kill for and die for the wrong idea?

I was in a dark place for a time. I was addicted to a substance which I wish not to elicit. I looked for salvation in God and found it. I have been free from my addiction for seven years. I have never been healthier nor happier.

Interestingly I've heard the same tale from people who attribute their healing to other religions, astrology, reading Tarot cards, or a gluten free diet. Fascinating how everyone thinks that while others are wrong in understanding God in some way, they're the ones who have it most right. Even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. But not you. You're the one who really got it right.

That is why I believe. Not because of The Bible, not because of my parents (I was raised atheist,) not because of word of mouth through my bishop, and not through teaching. I found salvation because I asked for it.

You found peace.

Ironically, there exist those who first leave their Mormon religion to finally find peace. Perhaps it's not the Mormon religion that offers a gateway to peace, but simply supports a new set of behaviors, offers a new set of friends, and supplies a new vocabulary.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Hello and welcome to the forum, Miss/Mr. Force!

That is for our Pastor to tell us and for us to judge ourselves.For one, I personally believe that most of Psalm is not to be taken seriously.

The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

God would never hate anyone, no matter who they were. I see it as a metaphore.

I respect your point of view. However, let's put our assumptions to the side and let's examine some actual evidence instead.

1. God created eternal punishment for all people who don't believe in Him or made any kind of offense against His Will. In human societies, we reserve capital punishment or life in prison only for the worst criminals, while people committing lesser offenses go free after serving their sentences. And even those on the death row can appeal and have their sentences changed if the defendant can document special circumstances. God, on the other hand, gives the same punishment for all offenses, and it is eternal, no appeal, no amnesty, no letting out early for good behavior. Does that seem as fair to you? Or does it seem a bit psychopathic - like something that a very hateful person would do?

2. God punishes entire nations and cities disregarding presence of the innocents. Do you seriously believe that the newborn babies in Sodom and Gomorrah were sinners deserving a painful death? How about the babies still in the wombs of their mothers? You are free to assume the worst of these mothers, but why were the unborn babies punished with their mothers? The same goes for the babies and fetuses which drowned in the Flood. Again - if you see a human burning and drowning babies, would you think of this person as of a loving individual?

You might defend yourself saying these parts of the Bible are "metaphorical" as well. That is an argument difficult to fight; you can easily argue that 100% of the Bible is metaphorical, since we have no evidence for the Flood, Sodom, Gomorrah, nor for the existence of Jesus, either. So, let's move away from the Bible to real life, shall we?

3. God gives cancer to little children. Have you ever been to a children's hospital? The amount of suffering is heartbreaking. I understand giving cancer to an adult person. They already lived their life and we all have to die in some way, and most of the ways to die are painful anyway - that's how God designed it, so I guess He enjoys it. But why cause so much pain to little kids? Is that something a loving God would do?

4. Wars, slavery, and other forms of oppression caused by Abrahamic religions. I assume that you believe that God of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is the real one, while gods of other religions are false. Starting with the genocides described in the Old Testament, continuing with the crusades, Inquisition, enslaving Africans, and the genocide of Native Americans, and finishing with the atrocities committed in the name of Islam today, the Abrahamic religions are responsible for the most bloodshed in history - yes, just Christians alone are responsible for more deaths per year than the Aztecs with their mass human sacrifices.

Why is God making little kids suffer and allowing people to commit so many atrocities in His name? Here are the possible answers:

(a) He does not exist.

(b) He is powerless.

(c) He exists, is powerful, and actually enjoys killing people Himself through diseases, and He also enjoys seeing the slaughter of people by people in His name - because He apparently enjoys human suffering.

If (a) or (b) are true, praying to God is a waste of time. If (c) is true then He is a psychopath not worthy of our worship.

Because God has spoken to me.

It's called schizophrenia. There are drugs which can help you to manage it - before that voice tells you to go on a killing spree, and add more victims to the long list of innocents slaughtered on God's orders.

I was in a dark place for a time. I was addicted to a substance which I wish not to elicit. I looked for salvation in God and found it. I have been free from my addiction for seven years. I have never been healthier nor happier.
That is why I believe. Not because of The Bible, not because of my parents (I was raised atheist,) not because of word of mouth through my bishop, and not through teaching. I found salvation because I asked for it.

You must be a very lucky person, the one in a million that God actually loves - because the evidence provided above shows that He despises most humanity.

[GaleWhoring the Boring (On Moderation)]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

That is for our Pastor to tell us and for us to judge ourselves.For one, I personally believe that most of Psalm is not to be taken seriously.

The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

God would never hate anyone, no matter who they were. I see it as a metaphore. We must be cautious of hate. Lest we become those men who “loveth violence” ourselves.

Because God has spoken to me. I was in a dark place for a time. I was addicted to a substance which I wish not to elicit. I looked for salvation in God and found it. I have been free from my addiction for seven years. I have never been healthier nor happier.
That is why I believe. Not because of The Bible, not because of my parents (I was raised atheist,) not because of word of mouth through my bishop, and not through teaching. I found salvation because I asked for it.

Force is my second middle name!


I'm glad God has made your world better. Substance addiction is a tricky road, and anything to take you off it is a bonus.

[Dave Schulthise]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

True Disciple, this is one of the things I have always been saying! It is so amazing to find more like-minded thinkers who see the Truth, but not reason, of the Bible.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

True Disciple, this is one of the things I have always been saying! It is so amazing to find more like-minded thinkers who see the Truth, but not reason, of the Bible.

There is function called "quote" please use it.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

True Disciple, this is one of the things I have always been saying! It is so amazing to find more like-minded thinkers who see the Truth, but not reason, of the Bible.

The Truth is very important. Unlike other religions, Christianity is based on historical events. For example if there were no Augustus Caesar and no Pontius Pilate and no Paul... but there were.

II PETER 1 .KJV . look up
16 We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Fables are what false religions rely on. They have no basis in history. When their founders died, nothing happened. When Jesus dies the world is changed forever. God Himself confirms the Gospel narrative just as He identifies Jesus to be His Son. Without a knowledge of The Truth people will believe anything. We can visit heathen nations to see how much worse off they are as a result and read their fables too, which are pretty way-off if you ask me.

There is a reason why some nations are prosperous and free while others spend most of their time murdering one another. Call it a spectrum disorder. What varies across the spectrum of nations as their depravity increases?

JOHN 8 .KJV . look up
32 [Jesus speaking] Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.