[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

It's the same in Gen 1 if meant to be "real" it's quite wrong but if meant as seen from on the Earth (which was made first, it says) then it makes sense.

You have to understand, that which you can see is only part of the reality of creation.

Hey Eth! Thanks for that It's nice when you back me up.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Science created the internet,

Wrong. Humans created the internet. Humans are created with a freedom to choose to fear God or love Satan. You have to understand, that which you can see is only part of the reality of creation. We do not simply fight for physical survival, but spiritual survival:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12

where we can all share our views and thoughts, even though we are far away from each other. So maybe science isn't all bad.

Science is morally neutral. It simply means knowing how the natural world works. We have the answer to that,

Faith created prayer, where we can communicate with the Lord and learn about love, forgiveness, and the peace of God. So maybe faith isn't all bad.

"Maybe faith isn't all bad?" Son, how exactly do you think salvation works?

I think that science and faith both exist for a reason. Maybe God included both in His plan so that we can use them together. For example: science created the chemicals and devices to create paper and ink, and to stamp the ink on the paper, wrap it into books, and distribute them. Faith created the Bible. So the Bible can reach almost anyone in God's Creation, and we can all learn the true Word of God. See? Science and faith coexisting, helping one another.

Friend, no one here is interested in your Osamba-comie, hippie mumbo-jumbo. We're here to praise Jesus and I don't see anything in your post that praises Jesus.

[Compassion]

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Science created the internet, where we can all share our views and thoughts, even though we are far away from each other. So maybe science isn't all bad.
Faith created prayer, where we can communicate with the Lord and learn about love, forgiveness, and the peace of God. So maybe faith isn't all bad.

I think that science and faith both exist for a reason. Maybe God included both in His plan so that we can use them together. For example: science created the chemicals and devices to create paper and ink, and to stamp the ink on the paper, wrap it into books, and distribute them. Faith created the Bible. So the Bible can reach almost anyone in God's Creation, and we can all learn the true Word of God. See? Science and faith coexisting, helping one another.

[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So, is there a new Hell?

What turns out for those folk in the "old" Hell (which would seem to be a part of the "old" Earth)?

[as per yr sig]

[Redeemed Papist]

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Which heaven do we go to?

The one God sends us to! It's like you have some sort of disease where you have to look for hidden complexity.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

[Adam Fag]

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We go to Heaven. Or Hell. Do try to keep up.

I really don't see why you need to convert God to science fiction. God roars and the Earth shakes all the time. All God needs to do is really let loose instead of storms and earthquakes.

Which heaven do we go to?

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea

If Hell is "down there" in the ground and the "first earth" will pass then that Hell will pass too. It does NOT say there will be a new Earth and a new Hell. Where does this New Earth come from?

God and science fact tell us where. But please note that I don't say the new Earth is a space ship. Well I don't think I do. But what comes next?

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Could that be a new ark? It seems to come from the sky and if it were there now we'd see it. If that is true it would need to be a long long way off. We can see this, and it's quite small

so a New York sized one would be hard to miss. It must be a long long way off. How did John know it was there?

Nearly up to Rev 22 now, but quite tired it must be bed time.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

So two things there.
1, God roars and 2, the Earth shakes.
That would take some some blast!!

As viewed from Earth it would seem to be a blast, but it's not a big bang on the Earth it's a vast storm in space. That sun burst will rape the world with fire, as God said would be so, and viewed from Earth it would seem so. It's the same in Gen 1 if meant to be "real" it's quite wrong but if meant as seen from on the Earth (which was made first, it says) then it makes sense.

God does can sense in this way but I don't just read it, I try to live it too. Where will we go when there is no more Earth?

We go to Heaven. Or Hell. Do try to keep up.

I really don't see why you need to convert God to science fiction. God roars and the Earth shakes all the time. All God needs to do is really let loose instead of storms and earthquakes.

[Adam Fag]

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Yes but you're comparing Biblical fact with secular twaddle and looking for similarities. God doesn't say anything about the sun blowing up as a mechanism for the end of the world. Scientists want us to believe that the sun will inflate then shrink or something. They just guess whereas we know God will roll up the sky like a curtain after all the stars fall down.

Which makes more sense?

God told them. And that's that. No need for spaceships.
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Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

So two things there.
1, God roars and 2, the Earth shakes.
That would take some some blast!!

As viewed from Earth it would seem to be a blast, but it's not a big bang on the Earth it's a vast storm in space. That sun burst will rape the world with fire, as God said would be so, and viewed from Earth it would seem so. It's the same in Gen 1 if meant to be "real" it's quite wrong but if meant as seen from on the Earth (which was made first, it says) then it makes sense.

God does can sense in this way but I don't just read it, I try to live it too. Where will we go when there is no more Earth?

[Redeemed Papist]

I thought if God was the source we did know it as a fact?

Yes but you're comparing Biblical fact with secular twaddle and looking for similarities. God doesn't say anything about the sun blowing up as a mechanism for the end of the world. Scientists want us to believe that the sun will inflate then shrink or something. They just guess whereas we know God will roll up the sky like a curtain after all the stars fall down.

Which makes more sense?

God told them. And that's that. No need for spaceships.
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[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

God told them. Deary me!

And we don't KNOW IT AS A FACT! some scientists guessed based on some measurements no sane person can verify and wrote words in a book they made up. A broken clock is right twice a day.

I thought if God was the source we did know it as a fact?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Yes, but one day it goes out. Like a fire.

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

We now know that to be a fact. The Sun and the stars will all go out. But how did they know, Red?

God told them. Deary me!

And we don't KNOW IT AS A FACT! some scientists guessed based on some measurements no sane person can verify and wrote words in a book they made up. A broken clock is right twice a day.

[Adam Fag]

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But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

What's that got to do with the sun blowing up? The sun is just a light in the firmament to mark the seasons and for signs and to give additional light.

Genesis 1:14-19
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Yes, but one day it goes out. Like a fire.

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

We now know that to be a fact. The Sun and the stars will all go out. But how did they know, Red?

[Redeemed Papist]

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2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

What's that got to do with the sun blowing up? The sun is just a light in the firmament to mark the seasons and for signs and to give additional light.

Genesis 1:14-19
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Why would the sun blow up? It's just a light on the firmament. Where does it say in the Bible that this is going to happen?

2 Peter 3:10

[Redeemed Papist]

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If the Styx is in Hell, Hell won't last long. It will all be gone when the Sun blows up. What will we do then?

Why would the sun blow up? It's just a light on the firmament. Where does it say in the Bible that this is going to happen?